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Giving back Gaza: was it a big mistake?

GarfieldLeChat said:
right that is slander young man care to back that up with refferences and state how I'm not coming up with solutions .. careful now you see usually you cannot slander a person on the internet, however in this case as my working name is the same as my board name... you are a bit fucked...

you see you always manage to step over that line and there's a fair few people both uk and palestine based which will be able to appear in a uk court to defend me...

so put up or retract you oderous, snivelling, racist, shit.

you have 24 hours...



I will retract when you offer some solutions.

In the meantime, fuck you :D
 
Did mears say he offers "solutions"? That's the first I've heard of it. He tends to tell us all how wrong we are to criticise US foreign policy; and then tells us that we are "obsessed with America (sic) and Israel". Not what I would call offering solutions. It's more of the same from Ayn Rand's wankstain.
 
mears said:
I will retract when you offer some solutions.

In the meantime, fuck you :D
no you'll retract it , provide evidence that I am not providing solutions or face the (legal) consequences...

BTW I would have thought that using a high profile bulletin board to make slanderous accusations would be frowned upon by the FAQ and the mod team too ...

6 hours 30 minutes...
 
Johnny Canuck2 said:
Was it a mistake to give back Gaza, and has it slowed down any chance of peace?

Gaza has been 'given' to the corrupt PA to run as a huge ghetto. This hasn't worked wonders for peace but it has, probably strengthened the IDF's ability to contain the 1 million people of Gaza. That's why it was done, not as part of some 'peace plan', excpet for a peace-through-firepower plan.
 
GarfieldLeChat said:
no you'll retract it , provide evidence that I am not providing solutions or face the (legal) consequences...

BTW I would have thought that using a high profile bulletin board to make slanderous accusations would be frowned upon by the FAQ and the mod team too ...

6 hours 30 minutes...

Thats rich coming from the guy who called me a racist, the most slanderous comment on this thread :D

Its a shame you have to hind behind nonsense and not face the fire head on. Arabs treat Palestinians like dirts and you can't even comment on it. I guess Palestinian suffering only matters when its at the hands of jews.
 
mears said:
Thats rich coming from the guy who called me a racist, the most slanderous comment on this thread :D

Its a shame you have to hind behind nonsense and not face the fire head on. Arabs treat Palestinians like dirts and you can't even comment on it. I guess Palestinian suffering only matters when its at the hands of jews.

Well you are a racist, mears. Sorry to be the one to break this to you. :D

Palestinians are Arabs in case it had escaped your rather blinkered attention.
 
GarfieldLeChat said:
no love that's daft, besides which tel aviv has been settled for some time, however i am suggesting that mala ad'dumim, ariel and hebron settlements are compleately removed as per the un citeation as they are all illegal...
Ok - just wanted to clarify. I agree about the west bank settlements.

GarfieldLeChat said:
again you have posted up a red herring to detract from the argument, why are you continually setting up straw men...
:confused:
 
Fez909 said:
Was it a mistake to give back something that wasn't theirs to take? No.

You are totally ingoring the fact that the occupation of Gaza was after a war of agression against Israel. Israel regarded it, rightly as it seems, as a buffer zone against attack.
 
GarfieldLeChat said:
seems to me that you have skipped to the end of the story there jc2

perhaps you'd like to rewind a little and ask the pertenant questions like should israel have destroied the water electricity health care systems educational systems and then allow countless thousands to die as a result of their actions whislt systemactically commiting a brutal act of state sponsored murder and continue to this day to bomb kill and maime ... then move people in to fortified townships whilst having the local villages razied only to then later raize these townships taking the only decent amienties with them when they pulled out errecting an illegal apartide wall around the area turning it into the worlds largest open prison camp and refusing to allow the autonimous area access to it's own sea land or air boarders... ???

the answer of course to your question and to mine is of course no


The above post reads like a cut and paste from the Hamas election manifesto.
 
Sasaferrato said:
The above post reads like a cut and paste from the Hamas election manifesto.

I doubt its his own words. He has already made such fool of himself on this thread (threatening legal action against your truly :D ) I doubt he will come back.
 
May the 'Seven Plagues of Egypt' visit both their houses. Both sides (Isreali and Palestinian) have much to blame for the present situation. Uncle Sam hasn't exactly helped either.

Let the side without sin cast the first stone - oops, perhaps enough stones have already been thrown!
 
FruitandNut said:
May the 'Seven Plagues of Egypt' visit both their houses. Both sides (Isreali and Palestinian) have much to blame for the present situation. Uncle Sam hasn't exactly helped either.

Let the side without sin cast the first stone - oops, perhaps enough stones have already been thrown!

Yes, I believe both side deserve blame. That is hard for people to accept around here however.
 
mears said:
Yes, I believe both side deserve blame. That is hard for people to accept around here however.

That's the second time you've said that. I agree with you. But it's not only the people around here that can't accept it, though.

Careful, you might get transferred into the tree-huggers category ;)
 
spring-peeper said:
That's the second time you've said that. I agree with you. But it's not only the people around here that can't accept it, though.

Careful, you might get transferred into the tree-huggers category ;)

You are right ;)

You know, the election win by Hamas might turn out very good for the region. Hamas seems to have credibility on the Palestinian street. But now they will run the show. They will have to make decisions. Talk to Israel, recognize Israel, institute more conservative laws, put in political appointes in key departments or ideological sympathizers?

Its much easier to complain than construct policy and Hamas will soon find this out.

Like Arial Sharon, their credibility among hard liners might make an agreement with Israel easier. Sharon could give up Gaza, but could a dove? Could anyone in Palestine save Hamas reach compromise on the West Bank?

Nixon could open up China because of his anti communist credentials for instance. It might take an orginization like Hamas with street credibility to make a lasting agreement with Israel.

This would take some time however.
 
mears said:
You are right ;)

You know, the election win by Hamas might turn out very good for the region. Hamas seems to have credibility on the Palestinian street. But now they will run the show. They will have to make decisions. Talk to Israel, recognize Israel, institute more conservative laws, put in political appointes in key departments or ideological sympathizers?

Its much easier to complain than construct policy and Hamas will soon find this out.

Like Arial Sharon, their credibility among hard liners might make an agreement with Israel easier. Sharon could give up Gaza, but could a dove? Could anyone in Palestine save Hamas reach compromise on the West Bank?

Nixon could open up China because of his anti communist credentials for instance. It might take an orginization like Hamas with street credibility to make a lasting agreement with Israel.

This would take some time however.


I was really happy to see the outcome of the election. Shows that people are basically the same everywhere. The common person with kids, trying to hold down a job, and have an nice life got a chance to throw the corrupt lying-scum out of office.

Aside from having to deal with the whole international scene, they are going to have to start trying to fufil their campaign promise of improving the living conditions for their citizens. They are about to find out what ever group that ousts (sp?) the current ruling party - it's easier to criticize than be the party in power.

I wish them luck.
 
spring-peeper said:
I was really happy to see the outcome of the election. Shows that people are basically the same everywhere. The common person with kids, trying to hold down a job, and have an nice life got a chance to throw the corrupt lying-scum out of office.

Aside from having to deal with the whole international scene, they are going to have to start trying to fufil their campaign promise of improving the living conditions for their citizens. They are about to find out what ever group that ousts (sp?) the current ruling party - it's easier to criticize than be the party in power.

I wish them luck.
I wish them luck as well. Good government in the region is desperatley lacking.
 
Johnny Canuck2 said:
I think they'll become the next Fatah. Start out as radical terrorists, then rule for a few years and end up as corrupt fat cats.

That's the cycle - same everywhere.

It's what they do with their time in power that counts, though.

edit: substitute "radical terrorist" for "idealist"
 
mears said:
Yes, I believe both side deserve blame. That is hard for people to accept around here however.

Say it like you mean it....no one whe has read your posts over the years will believe the shite that you've written here.

Your view of this is typically one-dimensional. You are a liar and a cheat.
 
nino_savatte said:
Say it like you mean it....no one whe has read your posts over the years will believe the shite that you've written here.

Your view of this is typically one-dimensional. You are a liar and a cheat.
personal attack?
 
Joe said:
personal attack?

Nice try, Joe...are you and mears friends? How many of mears' post have you actually read?

Before you go around pronouncing sentence on others, you would do well to conduct some research before jumping in with both feet.

Just a bit of advice, like.
 
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