GarfieldLeChat
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a tactic admission you are in fact merely attempting to justify greedAs if you actually cared.
Give me a good reason to keep using as much oil as we do now!
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Johnny Canuck3
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Johnny Canuck3
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Btw, I've seen your photography: did you bribe someone to get this job?
elbows
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I dont see much recognition of just how much crapper our lives will be without oil. Sure there are a lot of us who would be quite happy to live without some of the more frivolous elements of modern living, but for example my brother has type 1 diabetes and Im not going to presume that his supply of insulin is as certain in a post oil world as it is today.
Its just too easy to focus only on all the bad things oil has done for humanity, there are plenty of useful things it does for the managers to be able to justify having taken us down that path for decades.
Its not easy being green, and lots of people are going to be very unhappy. I mean do people really want to give up jobs where they get to sit around in an office, to go and do backbreaking work in the fields or down the mines?
Of course if you are optimistic about alternatives, think science will come up with an easy alternative, then my premise is false, but we'll see eh.
Its just too easy to focus only on all the bad things oil has done for humanity, there are plenty of useful things it does for the managers to be able to justify having taken us down that path for decades.
Its not easy being green, and lots of people are going to be very unhappy. I mean do people really want to give up jobs where they get to sit around in an office, to go and do backbreaking work in the fields or down the mines?
Of course if you are optimistic about alternatives, think science will come up with an easy alternative, then my premise is false, but we'll see eh.
GarfieldLeChat
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the alternatives will come on stream any the tech advances and also there'll be that critical mass point like there was with most other technological developments we have to hope that that point is before the oil starts running out entirely...
butchersapron
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I hope that's CLEAR
Would garf know what a functionalist perspective was if it was explained to him very slowly? I think he would. I'm an optimist.
Would garf know what a functionalist perspective was if it was explained to him very slowly? I think he would. I'm an optimist.
butchersapron
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What? Seriously what the fuck are you struggling to say ( i hope it's good)
As if they're not already sitting on the technological advances anyway...
They want to sell people oil dude. They already have the alternative technological solutions.
GarfieldLeChat
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jesus do you have to fuck up every thread with your asingne following me about fan club?
for the benifit of the fanclub.
technology: intial advances are expensive and slow as they develope they continue to increase in frequence and speed of development from the weavign machine through to the micro processor.
relating it to the current alternatives we have which are expensive and aren't as effective or efficent as we might like them to be at present so they cannot take up the slack which would be created by the resource valcum created if oil were to stop being used (or more likely run out).
tell me fan club what's your agenda for pushing the thread off topic we all know JC2's but previously you've not been know for your moronic derailing attempts at personaliseation...
GarfieldLeChat
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As if they're not already sitting on the technological advances anyway...
They want to sell people oil dude. They already have the alternative technological solutions.
depends almost certainly if say the car runs ofn water or other technologies were sat on (and not some pie in the sky idea) then they'd be out of date now anyways what with hydrogen extraction technologies havign greatly improved and so on so i'm not sure that sitting on them would really make much difference as there will be scientific advancement in these areas anyways. Particlarlly as this will almost certainly be the next cash cow or golden goose area...
you can't really supress paralle development either or competition between scientists the genie so to speak in this area is out of the box it just depends on who wants to make the most money out of it and what they might charge the rest of us for the pleasure ...
butchersapron
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Maybe, just maybe there's some relationship to something beyond being 'effective or efficent ' - really are you genuiely this naive?
butchersapron
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There's just nothing to reply to. Empty shouting.
Say something.
Say something.
GarfieldLeChat
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one would iamgine that like any emergant technology it's because it'll be getting it to work at all before working out how to refine the process and make it less wasteful.
not much of an engineer really are you.
still fan club what's the agenda of pushing the thread off topic you aren't responding to the OP merely using it again as a blunt instrument to attack another poster.
care to actually contribute with your expanse of knowledge at all to the thread??
GarfieldLeChat
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what the OP?
then why post at all or do you mean me in which case there's no obligation for you to ever involve yourself with anything i post in fact you have an ignore button for this very purpose.
still attempting to derail with nothing to add to the thread...
what a hollow sad little life you must have if i'm the subject of your attention, must be cripplingly dull.
UnderOpenSky
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As if they're not already sitting on the technological advances anyway...
They want to sell people oil dude. They already have the alternative technological solutions.
I'm not convinced by this argument. If the alternative technology could solve the problems, then why aren't they selling them to us?
butchersapron
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That's right. The main interest is if it works (who's funding it like?) . Not if it work at a price that makes it worth working.
So naive.
butchersapron
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Have you actually got anything to back up the stuff that you're saying. There's very little meat on anything that you say. I've just re-read the thread It's just generic stuff about how technology develops, there's nothing specific really. Is there. So the floor is yours garf. Educate us.
Why would they want to stop selling you oil right now? Remember, capitalism isn't about using the resources to better you or the planet...
elbows
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Its possible that some of it works, just not as well or as cheaply as oil. So the temptation is to underinvest in such things, and not really push them until absolutely necessary. Which is much to late to transition without, at the very least, economic pain.
And then there is the question of how well some of these technologies scale up. This has a big affect on their viability and price. So far I havent seen anything that will enable us to have exactly the same lifestyles in future, at the very least energy will cost more and the price will force people to take consumption seriously.
elbows
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I guess thats why the peak is important. It gets in the way of continued growth, hence recession etc, until something else is found to power the god of growth. If nothing else fills the gap, then kiss the god of growth, and thus our economic systems, goodbye.
GarfieldLeChat
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you've clearly not done any research or development...
funding is always a double edged sword of course however you simply aren't taking into account the process of trying things and getting them wrong....
either way i'm already being proved right... not 10 years ago wind turbines were impossibly expensive to make build and get working the cost has fallen considerably in this time to the point you can buy one in B&Q now. In another 10 years I'd expect you would be able to get a shit one from just about any common or garden store which will do the job (all be it infficently) manufactuing costs have significantly decreased past the point of intial investment as they recoup their investment in marketable technologies...
as is the same for every emmergant technology....
either you are a paranoid looney, you fail to understand market economics or in reality this is more of yet another fan club power trip attempt at derailing...
care to engauge with the OP rather than the continued personalised attack yet fan club...
GarfieldLeChat
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why wouldn't they want to capitalise on the next big wave either... it makes no sense to stop emergant markets which will allow them to diviserify their product lines... it's basic market economics...
butchersapron
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I think the evasions, avoidance and ignorance in this 'reply' speak for themselves.
butchersapron
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That's right mount naive, perfect market conditions exist. They existed in the R&D phase as well.
So naive.
GarfieldLeChat
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so again no reason for you to comment at all other than your continued personal standard bearing of attacking other posters, clearly you've nothing to say on the topic other than personalised attacks...
awr what's the matter fanclub does it diminish your obsessive charchature of someone you've never met but you've installed with all your own personal hatered angst and tweenage rebellion if they talk about enviromental issues which is your exclusive stomping ground.
post on topic of fuck off the thread why dontcha... are you capable?
I very much doubt it...
butchersapron
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GarfieldLeChat
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they do indeed you've nothing to say on the matter other than personalised attacks.
well done for confessing it.
like i've said before way to serious, fanclub...
GarfieldLeChat
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can you poit to where that's being claimed in fact if you weren't so obbsessed you'd see i've already said that actually getting the thing to work is the first hurdle...
you couldn't be consistant if we nailed you to the floor and still you're harping on like an anarkid verison of JC2 when are you going to contribe to the thread fanclub?
butchersapron
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The fact that you're too thick to see that i've
made the only really serious point on this thread doesn't bother me.
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