Girl raped at Man Utd Xmas party?

[London_Calling]

Could you explain exactly how women proceed from alleging rape to making money from the newspapers? The tip-off for the story can't be worth that much; is it standard practice to interview complainants for a titillating kiss'n'tell? Wouldn't that be in contempt of court?

It's really straigh forward; you phone up the night desk at the usual suspects, give an outline, the sub will phone back. It'll be too late for that nights print run so a staffer and photographer will come around in the morning to flesh out the tale (or more likely you go to the 'papers offices), they offer advice and then suggest a fee - you either take what's on offer or wait to see what another tabloid will offer later in the day.

Fee depends on the photo's - the bird and alleged ‘rapist’ in the same shot is golden (avoid mobiles fellers!), otherwise it'll usually just be her looking mopey and dishevelled - whether the tale has legs (more than two days is worth more), and whether there is even a hint of corroboration. Obviously you want a big name as well.

It’s going to be bollocks, it’s just a matter of it standing up to next to zero scrutiny for 48 hours.

 

[kained&able]

By phoning a publisist before a lawyer. Sex sells is the basic problem and a fair few women who allege rape against footballers tend to appear in the papers before the courts. Even if the allegations are genuine it does them no credibility favours.

I'm not trying to presume anything about this case. it could be a leak from within the cop shop, the hotel or where ever, but if i see a headline in the sun tommrow saying "my 40 minute fling with ronaldo" or whatever then i would not be shocked.

dave

 

[mattie]

Could you explain exactly how women proceed from alleging rape to making money from the newspapers? The tip-off for the story can't be worth that much; is it standard practice to interview complainants for a titillating kiss'n'tell? Wouldn't that be in contempt of court?

I've heard of women being encouraged by tabloid 'journalists' to make deliberately false public statements regarding alleged sexual activity such that tabloids can report it (Julian Dicks got badly stung in the 90's, to my utter amazement), but I'm a bit concerned over such activity including rape. It's one thing to allege extra-marital sexual activity, another thing to allege a serious crime.

 

[Maurice Picarda]

It's really straigh forward; you phone up the night desk at the usual suspects, give an outline, the sub will phone back. It'll be too late for that nights print run so a staffer and photographer will come around in the morning to flesh out the tale (or more likely you go to the 'papers offices), they offer advice and then suggest a fee - you either take what's on offer or wait to see what another tabloid will offer later in the day.

Fee depends on the photo's - the bird and alleged ‘rapist’ in the same shot is golden (avoid mobiles fellers!), otherwise it'll usually just be her looking mopey and dishevelled - whether the tale has legs (more than two days is worth more), and whether there is even a hint of corroboration. Obviously you want a big name as well.
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Oh. Jesus.



Can't help wishing that all the journalists, editors, footballers* and tarts involved had but a single neck.


*Excluding Spurs, obv.

 

[tarannau]

Yes you have the right to say no at any point about anything sexual and yes it should be considered rape if people then go against your wishes. But if you go back to somones room then turn round and say you didn't think they meant it like that it makes you look bloody niave at best and like a manipulative liar when you sell your interview in the tabloids the next day/week whatever. Apart from anything else it makes it bloody easy for a lawyer to tear the person apart especially as there are rarely any witnesses.
dave

That's bollocks again though isn't it Kained. It's perfectly possible to want to get some privacy and maybe a little smooch/blow job/watersports without consenting to the whole sexual shebang.

The fact that you start to bandy about phrases like 'naive at best' and 'manipulative liar' makes me a little worried about you to be honest.

 

[kained&able]

Its perfectly possible yeah. Like i said though if you then go and sell your story it doesn't sound like a convincing story and without any proof all the alleged victims have is how plausible the story is.


I met ronaldo(only using his name cos he weren't there) at the party, had a littlew dance, had a little kiss, it was getting late i said i had to go he said come back to my room for coffee, i said okay he gave me a drink then we started kissing again he got a bit to heavy i said stop, he did. We strated kissing again i asked him to stop, he didn't i got scared thought it would be easier to just go through with it and then get out of there. Is a much more plausible story then the quite often told one of.

I met ronaldo at the party............ it all got a bit heavey i said stop......... i said stop again.......he didn't. i rushed out the room looking calm and collected(according to toher witnesses), i went back down stairs had another drink, went home, phoned a paper and am outraged at what the bastard did to me as you can read in my exlcusive interview with the sun tommrow and did i mention he liked to cuddle and has a tiny dick.

Again though this one might be entirely true and nothing gets said exclusivly in any paper, she does the right thing and phones a lawyer and stays away from the press. But i have read far to many of these to presume that to be the case.

dave

 

[revol68]

yes there are gold diggers out there but atthe same time rape conviction rapes are scandalously low and I don't think it's right to start assuming all allegations against footballers are false, it's innocent until proven guilty but that doesn't mean someone reporting a rape is guilty till proven innocent.

The story is majorly short of details for anyone to start judging either way.

 

[tarannau]

blah blah etc>Again though this one might be entirely true and nothing gets said exclusivly in any paper, she does the right thing and phones a lawyer and stays away from the press. But i have read far to many of these to presume that to be the case.

dave

Aren't you being hopelessly naive here yourself though? The press moves far faster than our legal process. By the time any case comes to court then both names are in the public domain and the tale is already being related, for better or worse. The 'victim' has an unedifying choice of keeping silence and leting people invent the story about her - much as you have done in fact - trying to balance all the media out, or trying to sell her story on an exclusive and benefit a little financially and getting a consistent story out.

To be honest, I find it hard to drum up that much distaste for folks who take the latter route given those options.

 

[revol68]

Aren't you being hopelessly naive here yourself though? The press moves far faster than our legal process. By the time any case comes to court then both names are in the public domain and the tale is already being related, for better or worse. The 'victim' has an unedifying choice of keeping silence and leting people invent the story about her - much as you have done in fact - trying to balance all the media out, or trying to sell her story on an exclusive and benefit a little financially and getting a consistent story out.

To be honest, I find it hard to drum up that much distaste for folks who take the latter route given those options.

this is all true and didn't the last allegations about Ronaldo actually start with a phone call to the newspapers before going to the police? This one has seen the police called first. The idea of presuming any woman claiming rape against a footballer is a lying gold digger is fucked up, plus we don't even know if it was a player involved, so all the gold digging notions might be way off.

 

[agricola]

Aren't you being hopelessly naive here yourself though? The press moves far faster than our legal process. By the time any case comes to court then both names are in the public domain and the tale is already being related, for better or worse. The 'victim' has an unedifying choice of keeping silence and leting people invent the story about her - much as you have done in fact - trying to balance all the media out, or trying to sell her story on an exclusive and benefit a little financially and getting a consistent story out.

To be honest, I find it hard to drum up that much distaste for folks who take the latter route given those options.

This is not really true. Once you get a person charged, what the Press can and cannot report upon is quite well defined - they would not be able to identify a rape victim and run stories about her (technically they could do this pre-charge, though I cannot think of one case where a rape victim who does not want publicity has been "exposed" in that way).

That said, I can understand why an individual might want to take a confirmed financial reward instead of the uncertainties and stress of a high-profile rape trial, though it would make getting a conviction subsequently almost impossible.

 

[Deareg]

That's bollocks again though isn't it Kained. It's perfectly possible to want to get some privacy and maybe a little smooch/blow job/watersports without consenting to the whole sexual shebang.

The fact that you start to bandy about phrases like 'naive at best' and 'manipulative liar' makes me a little worried about you to be honest.

i have started to worry about you to be honest, you haven't shown one single shred of sympathy for this woman all you have done is use the fact that she was possibly raped, no matter what the circumstances to have another bitch fest about united

 

[iROBOT]

I think there are too many made up rape claims against footballers like the van persie one a few years back or the lecister one for these things to be taken seriously untill a prosecutor/court takes them seriously.

As for the stemming from consentual stuff, do people really think that " Hey do you wanna come back to my room for a party" means anything other then fancy a shag?

dave

Yeah...but still doesnt stop the likes of revol to keep banging on about it does it???

 

[iROBOT]

this is all true and didn't the last allegations about Ronaldo actually start with a phone call to the newspapers before going to the police? This one has seen the police called first. The idea of presuming any woman claiming rape against a footballer is a lying gold digger is fucked up, plus we don't even know if it was a player involved, so all the gold digging notions might be way off.

Let this be a lesson to you revol...Even if this is untrue.Expect the same abuse YOU dish out.

 

[revol68]

Let this be a lesson to you revol...Even if this is untrue.Expect the same abuse YOU dish out.

If what is untrue, no players have even been named, we don't know jack shit yet.

 

[iROBOT]

If what is untrue, no players have even been named, we don't know jack shit yet.

Time will tell.

Like I said IF any of your players are implicated (and I'm not saying any are involved)...Then expect the same you give out. Guilty or not.

Urban is a mirror.

 

[revol68]

oh and if Ronaldo was seriously investigated, held for 14 nights and released still under suspicion I bet we;d never have heard the end of it.

 

[revol68]

Time will tell.

Like I said IF any of your players are implicated (and I'm not saying any are involved)...Then expect the same you give out. Guilty or not.

Urban is a mirror.

Some profound shite there.

 

[iROBOT]

oh and if Ronaldo was seriously investigated, held for 14 nights and released still under suspicion I bet we;d never have heard the end of it.

Too fucking right.

It's your mindset that see's this as a legitimate way of abusing posters opinions.

The same will come back to you.

 

[iROBOT]

Right, I am unilaterally extracting myself from this thread.

Until the facts are known.

Not nice is it revol???

 

[revol68]

Too fucking right.

It's your mindset that see's this as a legitimate way of abusing posters opinions.

The same will come back to you.

exactly so don't try claiming the moral highground.

 

[iROBOT]

exactly so don't try claiming the moral highground.

Morallity...dick...

 

[stupid kid]

oh and if Ronaldo was seriously investigated, held for 14 nights and released still under suspicion I bet we;d never have heard the end of it.

Yet he's been in the papers in womens clothes with photos supplied by an ex and no one ever gave a fuck.

 

[revol68]

Right I am unilaterally extracting myself from this thread.

Until the facts are known.

Not nice is it revol???

not nice, yeah i'm in tears here, oh the poor little 50k a week footballers I feel duty bound to protect their honour. Believe me if a United player did rape this girl the cunt should be hung out to dry.

We do however know it couldn't have been Ronaldo, since he was in Zurich.

 

[revol68]

Morallity...dick...

no it's called the moral highground not the morality highground.

 

[trashpony]

Brilliant. So if you're a premiership footballer, you can rape women willy nilly basically because no one will ever believe the little slag.

*slow handclap*

Perhaps you might want to think about voting tory next - John Redwood was also in the papers today, saying pretty much the same thing.

 

[revol68]

Brilliant. So if you're a premiership footballer, you can rape women willy nilly basically because no one will ever believe the little slag.

*slow handclap*

Perhaps you might want to think about voting tory next - John Redwood was also in the papers today, saying pretty much the same thing.

eh who said this?

 

[revol68]

Yet he's been in the papers in womens clothes with photos supplied by an ex and no one ever gave a fuck.

yes because clearly dressing up in your exe's clothes is the same as rape.

wtf are you on about, anyway slagging off Ronaldo for being abit 'fruity' is like slagging off Julian Clarey for being a abit gay.

 

[trashpony]

eh who said this?

well london calling and kained and able seem to have pretty much made up their minds that this is more than likely a fictional story to get cash. Unless I've totally misunderstood their posts.

 

[revol68]

well london calling and kained and able seem to have pretty much made up their minds that this is a made up story to get cash. Unless I've totally misunderstood their posts.

well yeah there was abit of that knee jerk bullshit. As it is we don't even know if a player was involved so assuming the claim is just a gold digging plot is an even greater leap of logic than usual. Of course the scum of the world and such papers share alot of the guilt in this, if they didn't offer huge cash amounts for barely concealed titilation and scandal verging on the pornographic there wouldn't be such skepticism, unfortunately following the allegations a few years ago it's become almost a knee jerk reaction to think any allegations are part of a gold digging sting.

 

[trashpony]

well yeah there was abit of that knee jerk bullshit. As it is we don't even know if a player was involved so assuming the claim is just a gold digging plot is an even greater leap of logic than usual. Of course the scum of the world and such papers share alot of the guilt in this, if they didn't offer huge cash amounts for barely concealed titilation and scandal verging on the pornographic there wouldn't be such skepticism, unfortunately following the allegations a few years ago it's become almost a knee jerk reaction to think any allegations are part of a gold digging sting.

I agree. But we are now in a situation where if a footballer (or any bloke really) is alone with a woman consensually and doesn't use massive amounts of force, he can pretty much rape her and get away with it. The whole thing around girls and footballers is utterly vile.