Gilet Jaunes / Yellow Jackets
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ska invita
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Curious to see how much hi viz there'll be tomorrow from both sides at the Brexit betrayal thing tomorrow... Though I don't expect it to be anything other than symbolic.
I like the sound of this:
I like the sound of this:
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ska invita
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Police Union voting to strike? Can someone translate?
Un syndicat de police dépose un préavis de grève illimitée à partir de ce samedi
Un syndicat de police dépose un préavis de grève illimitée à partir de ce samedi
Shit. You're right.
Sweet FA
✪ Three rounds Lord, in my .44 ✪
Police Union Tables Unlimited Strike Notice From Saturday
The police union Vigi Ministry of the Interior, former CGT-Police, calls for an indefinite strike "support functions" from Saturday, December 8, day of mobilization of "yellow vests".
The union of police and ultra-minority administrative staff, Vigi Interior Ministry, called Wednesday, December 5 late in the morning to an indefinite strike from Saturday, December 8, day of mobilization of "yellow vests". Since 1948, the law prohibits the police forces "any concerted cessation of service". Conscious of this limit, Alexandre Langlois, general secretary of the union, entrusted the Express "[ruser] by calling to strike support functions [services not directly involved in the maintenance of order but providing support logistic and administrative.] who have this right ".
"A real shambles"
According to the secretary general of the former CGT-Police federation (the union was renamed in June 2017), during the same interview, "there is a real headache among the police, and they are mostly in solidarity with the movement "yellow" vests. First published on the union's website (temporarily unavailable), the press release was broadcast on its national and regional Twitter accounts.
Solidarity with "yellow vests" is the motto: "We are concerned because we are part of the people". However, according to union representatives in the statement, "the President of the Republic took [the police] for 'mercenaries' by wanting to 'buy' us with a premium of less than sup hours on the day of December 1 ". Monday, December 3, Emmanuel Macron has indeed announced during a lunch with CRS in the twentieth arrondissement of Paris that the units engaged during the demonstrations of "yellow vests" would receive a premium.
The union also denounces that this premium "will never compensate", both "the freezing of the index point", the remission of a day of default in case of illness, the increase of the CSG or the taxization the allowance "of our CRS colleagues" - without counting the night hours maintained at 97 cents more, the refusal to pay the 25 million overtime hours (necessary to the state of emergency in particular) and, of course , the increase in the price of gasoline.
Mobilizations and claims
Trade union representatives use the lever of solidarity within the police to make this event a success. They rely on the mobilization of those "who have not received training in law enforcement", to support "our colleagues who are exhausted by the accumulation of working days exceeding 13 hours".
The union intends to end the "thousands of overtime", "deleterious management" and "pathogenic work cycles" for the police force. The professional elections, which began on November 30, end today. The results of the union, which is represented on the lists of the Ministry and the national police without a CGT label, will be a first indication of the success of the mobilization.
isvicthere?
a.k.a. floppybollocks
One thing seems clear. 1968 it ain't. 
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
ska invita
back on the other side
I wonder how Le Pen is fairing in opinion polls at the mo. European Elections in May....
I expect the overall mood and direction is as mixed as the population at large
I expect the overall mood and direction is as mixed as the population at large
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Mordi
Amoral adventurist
To be fair, the cops have already killed an 80 year old woman in Marseilles with tear gas. By no means the first, and likely not to be the last this round.
Worth pointing out that Marseilles has been even more fractious than usual through attempts at gentrification by the city government and a tragic building collapse in Noailles (a market area right in the centre) with an unknown bodycount in the immediate run up to the national demonstrations.
I suspect things will die down a bit now. at least until Spring. there will be events next Saturday but the numbers will be much smaller.
in Paris, the Police were well in charge today, unlike last week. despite the scenes reported around the world there was no complete breakdown of order like last week. provincial cities (Toulouse and Bordeaux in particular) were more chaotic, but still nothing quite like Paris last week.
Macron speaks on Monday. we'll see what he has to say.
pocketscience
Well-Known Member
Gilet Jaunes will make it much much harder for France to invest in positive social stuff like housing and health because France (and most of its people ) will be significantly poorer. There is no getting round that. Unless you can convincingly argue that Gilet Jaunes will not seriously weaken the economy (never mind all the other negatives) than the Gilet Jaunes argument is the most busted of busted flushes.
Will elements within the French Government be unhappy with a Gilet Jaunes government? - No. their ability to do anything about it is constrained because (and praise be) Germany controls the Euro and France can't ignore what the ECB says. Yet there is a long history of EU members ignoring the supposed rules and nobody batting an eyelid
- i.e Germany. The EU can put the squeeze on the likes of greece and ireland - because they needed bailouts - but France is a much more powerful entity with an independent national bank (oops, goes a bit pear-shaped there)
IF - and we're off into hypothesis land again - the EU tries to clips the wings of Gilet Jaunes - then you have a potential case for
. But in terms of here and now and what can be done it really is a no-brainer.
Thanks
Kaka Tim
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Will elements within the French Government be unhappy with a Gilet Jaunes government? - No. their ability to do anything about it is constrained because (and praise be) Germany controls the Euro and France can't ignore what the ECB says. Yet there is a long history of EU members ignoring the supposed rules and nobody batting an eyelid
- i.e Germany. The EU can put the squeeze on the likes of greece and ireland - because they needed bailouts - but France is a much more powerful entity IF - and we're off into hypothesis land again - the EU tries to clips the wings of Gilet Jaunes - then you have a potential case for
. But in terms of here and now and what can be done it really is a no-brainer.Thanks
Kaka Tim
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not-bono-ever
meh
easy to forget that that old bastard JM himelf has some previous with protestors in '58 in algeria under ex nazi fuckpig Papon, where he murderously rampaged and called for demonstraters to be chucked into the seine- which came to bear fruit in Paris a couple of years later. I would not like to be of North African descent if the filth got hold of me in the current demos
Riklet
procrastinación
Not official but apparently this has started circulating on social media.
Translation of a few bits from the Guardian.
economy/work:
- a full review of taxation, with no citizen to be taxed at more than 25% of income; an immediate 40% increase in the minimum wage, pensions and benefits; “mass hirings” in the state sector to restore quality of service in hospitals, schools etc; 5m new homes; make banks “smaller”
Politics:
- France’s constitution to be rewritten “by the people and for the interests of the people”; lobbying to be banned; Frexit: France should leave the EU; recover euros80bn lost to tax evasion each year; halt and/or reverse all privatisations; removal of “useless” speed cameras; complete reform of education system, removal of all “ideologies”; quadruple budget of judicial system, which must be simplified, free and accessible for all; break up media monopolies and halt cosy relationship between media and political class; open media up to the people
Health/environment:
- 10-year guarantee on products to end planned obsolescence; ban plastic bottles; limit power of pharmaceutical companies; ban GM foods, carcinogenic pesticides, monoculture; reindustrialise France to reduce imports and therefore pollution
Geopolitics:
- Pull France out of Nato and foreign wars; end the plunder of French-speaking Africa; prevent migration flows that cannot be welcomed or integrated given current “civilisational crisis”; scrupulous respect of international law and engagements
- a full review of taxation, with no citizen to be taxed at more than 25% of income; an immediate 40% increase in the minimum wage, pensions and benefits; “mass hirings” in the state sector to restore quality of service in hospitals, schools etc; 5m new homes; make banks “smaller”
Politics:
- France’s constitution to be rewritten “by the people and for the interests of the people”; lobbying to be banned; Frexit: France should leave the EU; recover euros80bn lost to tax evasion each year; halt and/or reverse all privatisations; removal of “useless” speed cameras; complete reform of education system, removal of all “ideologies”; quadruple budget of judicial system, which must be simplified, free and accessible for all; break up media monopolies and halt cosy relationship between media and political class; open media up to the people
Health/environment:
- 10-year guarantee on products to end planned obsolescence; ban plastic bottles; limit power of pharmaceutical companies; ban GM foods, carcinogenic pesticides, monoculture; reindustrialise France to reduce imports and therefore pollution
Geopolitics:
- Pull France out of Nato and foreign wars; end the plunder of French-speaking Africa; prevent migration flows that cannot be welcomed or integrated given current “civilisational crisis”; scrupulous respect of international law and engagements
One thing seems clear. 1968 it ain't.
Good.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
"noone should pay more than 25% of their income in tax" is their bread and butter, after all
kenny g
Sheeple Awake!
Don't forget France had wealth taxes. There could be a taxation model aimed at taxing unproductive assets i.e. land / gold rather than income which arguably would encourage productive investments. If people don't register their assets for taxation purposes they lose title to them (i.e. don't own them).
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
Oh there could be, but that isn't a demand for any of that; its the flat tax nonsense that has been a demand of the right for decades.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
To write of the protests as right wing or to wish them to be left wing doesnt do anyone any favours .Neither does trying to judge movements by how perfect/imperfect their programme is . I think we just need to get used to populist revolt in an age of popularism and to try and frame these revolts in some form of context.
Simon Kupers thread on Twitter raises some interesting points
Simon Kupers thread on Twitter raises some interesting points
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
And of course assigning them to the "left" or "right" ignores the fact that the politics of people are modified/affected by events.
danny la rouge
Ninja swords for all disabled people
It's worth remembering that France has a high tax take, but that it has a high proportion of indirect taxation too. The burden of indirect taxation disproportionately falls on the poorest. The tax structure in France is widely seen as favouring the rich, especially after the recent tax changes. So it's too simple to write this off as a right wing call. It's a call of people on low incomes, irate with the political classes. It's not an ideologue right or left movement. Indeed, the claims of various groups to speak for the movement have been quickly shown not to be true.
that Jpeg is getting far too much attention outside France. I've been pouring over GJ Facebook pages, twitter, and the main French newspapers for best part of a fortnight and might have seen it once, twice. there is overlap with *some* of the more prominent GJ messages but that's it.
Frexit - i've seen one person with one placard. I've also seen anarchist graffiti and a guy with anti-vaccination placard - it means little. This is not about Frexit.
Nato - not seen it mentioned once
Immigration - rarely mentioned directly. Patriotism/ looking after indigenous French does get hinted at by some of the non-far right activists. There are also overt fascist activists too, but they aren't able to display their logos/ flags. Two weeks running Paris Antifa have turned over far right activists who tried to organise/ impose themselves in the protests. That has to have been some of the most critical and effective street anti-fascist activity in years.
Plastics - LOL
In summary, the jpeg is being jumped on because everyone wants an immediate answer to what the movement represents. which is in itself stupid - the movement is (especially now) beyond categorisation, and regardless, whatever it is, its shifting fast. remember a week ago everyone was happy labelling it as an anti-diesel tax rise protest (or anti climate change mitigation protest for those with an axe to grind). if its anything, its simply popular protests for better spending power. you don't vacate that territory.
Riklet
procrastinación
Yeah I did think that was quite likely so thanks for your take on that! Def desire to categorise the protests and label them coming from all sides. Admit I havent had time to look into it much although I do know French so I could/should.
What do you think they represent now politically if the main focus is purely reduced spending power? Macron's gov are already making some concessions. Be interesting to hear possibilies of where they will go from here.
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