Gilet Jaunes / Yellow Jackets

Discussion in 'world politics, current affairs and news' started by cantsin, Nov 30, 2018.

  1. cantsin

    cantsin Well-Known Member

    with the news today that the Gilet Jaunes protests have spread to Belgium, with similarly enthusiastic / militant street approach on display, I've been looking around for some insight as to how much right wing / fash involvement there is / how exaggerated it is, what the extent of organised / or autonomous working class involvement is, what the immediate focus /demands are outside of opposition to the diesel / fuel taxes, where it's all going etc.

    Decent / basic Counterfire piece below, but anyone with any other pointers / insight, would be interesting to hear.

    Yellow Jackets: a high-vis uprising sweeps France
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  2. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    Caught me in my few minutes here today:

    On the Gilets Jaunes: Dispatches from France

    The following is a collaborative effort of translated analyses from France focused on the Gilets Jaunes movement between Agitations, Carbure, Otto Mattick & Ediciones inéditos. More texts will be translated in the coming days.
  3. cantsin

    cantsin Well-Known Member

    I didn't want to just title the thread , 'Oi , Butchers, can we have the lowdown plse', but .... ta / appreciated !
  4. Jeremiah18.17

    Jeremiah18.17 Well-Known Member

  5. The39thStep

    The39thStep Well-Known Member

    SYL's lot will be wearing them for their Brexit March apparantly . Gen Identity must have seen the future .
  6. copliker

    copliker ...

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  7. Mordi

    Mordi Amoral adventurist

    I find Dialectical Delinquent to be helpful for aggy stuff in France and I hope they do get a chance to write some reflections on the character of the movement. 'til now they've been cautiously suggesting that the absence of Party/Union leadership leaves the space open for wide participation which includes the far left as well as the fash who have been trying to speak for the movement.
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  8. porp

    porp Well-Known Member

    Really grateful for the links, thank you. My take has been very simplistic. BBC has been sympathetic in its coverage, therefore GJ is right wing. Any protest against tax is smiled upon by the Sarah Sands of this world.
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  9. Rob Ray

    Rob Ray Irony is well sad

    In two paragraphs, the liberal position that rioting never makes a difference, why that's bollocks, and their favourite method of trying to discredit its legitimacy. Quite efficient writing from the Graun there really.

    Hundreds of arrests in Paris as ‘gilets jaunes’ protest turns violent
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  10. not-bono-ever

    not-bono-ever Alles hat ein Ende nur eine Wurst hat zwei

    50 years since '68 and it seems the traditional blocs of France are not yet able to fit these protests in their established grand scheme thinking of things. The involment of the banlieue and their sentiments is an anomaly that seems to hard to assimilate for them from what i have read.
  11. mojo pixy

    mojo pixy unquantifiable hazards

    my gilets are all orange. this will continue.
  12. twentythreedom

    twentythreedom Patterdale Terrorist R.I.P.

    Ruby says fuck les flics

  13. Bavid Dowie

    Bavid Dowie Banned Banned

    Paint stripes on her and she can be Bruce Lee
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  14. Wolveryeti

    Wolveryeti Young Lethargio

    Wow - this is really kicking off:


    Apparently a police assault rifle has been stolen... some reports of police snipers positioned on rooftops. Head of the police union is apparently advocating for a period of martial law...
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  15. where to

    where to Well-Known Member

    there have been big riots in the recent past in France, but it can't be stressed enough that the violence yesterday was on an unparalleled scale. the CRS/ police completely lost control, with barricades, car torchings, looting and violence all over central Paris. its really hard to get a sense of numbers, but the initial scenes around the Arc de Triumphe only involved maybe 1000 gilet jaunes, but the CRS were completely unable (or unwilling?) to deal with them. my sense was that for the CRS, their heart wasn't in it. that spells huge trouble for Macron. more joined as the afternoon wore on. figures suggest around 8000 in Paris in total.

    in terms of who's making up the numbers, this isn't a left protest but its not a far right protest either. its not entirely a-political but it maybe wishes to be - this is what makes it so dangerous to Macron. he's gifted an issue which unites all the disgruntled under a single banner (or gilet). trade unionists and communists were asked to leave one protest in Normandy, but the objection appears to have been their insistence on introducing union/ party flags and banners etc. there is certainly far right involvement, but maybe more their voters than their activists. there is no far right symbols, only the occasional french flag. yesterday appears to have drawn anarchists and insurrectionists. what the protests are, overwhelmingly, however is provincial. this is not a Parisian movement, or an urban movement. that means the protests are fairly white, but not entirely so by any means. this means there was rioting and disturbances in some pretty unexpected places: Tours for example. that in turn means that Paris can't simply be swamped with provincial Police/CRS.

    it will be over to Macron now. the authorities will surely be telling him that they cannot contain this.
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  16. Patteran

    Patteran A nowadays excuse

    This is being reported as anti-fascists (on the right) confronting fascists, including Yvan Benedetti (who later tweeted a pic of himself bloodied)

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  17. treelover

    treelover Well-Known Member

    Interesting article in the Guardian, similar to Thomas Franks' ideas on the U.S.

    btw, not one article in the G on the G/J's has been open to comments, I wonder why?
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  18. mauvais

    mauvais change has become unavoidable

    If you live in Paris you probably don't own a car, so at least the fuel protest element doesn't have direct relevance until you get far enough away that you need one.

    What do you think about this in comparison to the 'Karcher' riots?
  19. where to

    where to Well-Known Member

    It's hard to compare. The 2005 situation continued over several weeks across the whole of France. The worst of those incidents were more sporadic hit and run arson attacks than the more traditional rioting which we saw yesterday. There were no buildings burnt down yesterday and no deaths. So 2005 was certainly worse in that sense (although there have been 3 deaths outside of Paris since this started).

    The 2005 incidents generally took place in areas the Police have limited control over at the best of times. What made yesterday perhaps more shocking or certainly surprising was that it was in the very centre, it went on for hours and the Police seemed to retreat or were incapable or unwilling to respond. Considering trouble was fully expected, that still surprises me. There has been nothing quite like this in the centre of Paris for a long, long time. Possibly 1968. At the end of big marches you always have a set piece ruck between the CRS and the hundred or so stragglers, drunks and those who came to fight, but these are set piece affairs, almost ritualistic, and whilst there's always tear gas , broken bottles etc, and a sense of disorder, the Police are in truth fully in control. This was not the case at all yesterday.
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  20. where to

    where to Well-Known Member

    The reason I stress the scale and extent of the incidents is because this is really not reflected in coverage here. This is really significant stuff.
  21. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Well-Known Member

    Hype in Canary Wharf.
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  22. sunnysidedown

    sunnysidedown caput mortuum

    spotted in cambridge on saturday.

    Attached Files:

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  23. copliker

    copliker ...

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  24. Mordi

    Mordi Amoral adventurist

    There's translations from French of a mix of positions across the anti-authoritarian left here.

    I haven't read through them all yet, but I was quite amused by this; "Everything that moves is red, any anger is revolutionary and you can make chocolate cakes with the leftovers of a zucchini gratin."
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  25. Jeremiah18.17

    Jeremiah18.17 Well-Known Member

    Some school students kicked off in Northern Paris suburbs this morning:
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  26. Jeremiah18.17

    Jeremiah18.17 Well-Known Member

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  27. not-bono-ever

    not-bono-ever Alles hat ein Ende nur eine Wurst hat zwei

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  28. 8ball

    8ball Chipperer than average

    I can see that pic being in a few "retrospective on the year" pieces in magazines.
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  29. 8ball

    8ball Chipperer than average

    You can do a lot of damage with a pressure washer, but you're very limited by the length of the cord. :(

    Also, it's really an either/or thing if you're also into Molotov cocktails.
    Last edited: Dec 3, 2018
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  30. Serge Forward

    Serge Forward Well-Known Member

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