Get banned off net for illegal downloads

[ska invita]

DOnt like to jsut post up sotries off that papers, but this seems like its happening

Internet users could face disconnection for illegal downloads

· Ministers to compel ISPs to take action on piracy
· Crackdown follows calls from film and music firms
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/feb/12/piracy.politics

In the past there has been a concensus that there are so many millions of illegal downloaders they cant arrest them all... This seems to be a possible way around the problem.

Dangerously:

The UK's four largest internet providers - BT, Tiscali, Orange and Virgin Media - are already in talks with studios on a joint voluntary agreement to share information on web violators.

The one saving grace is that:

Under the new sanctions users will face a "three strikes" regime. A warning email will be sent for the first offence, followed by suspension from the service and finally termination of the internet contract.

Will be interesting how much ISP providers will want to ban their coustomers (and lets face it, its mainly illegal downloaders who demand high bandwidth speeds).

Also, how much can they tell what you are doing? Sure they can see you downloading and upping fro hours on end - is that evidence enough?

 

[ExtraRefined]

So I'll have to use private sites / protocol encryption / a VPN / tor, depending on how competent they are. Not the end of the world.

 

[jæd]

Will be interesting how much ISP providers will want to ban their coustomers (and lets face it, its mainly illegal downloaders who demand high bandwidth speeds).

Also, how much can they tell what you are doing? Sure they can see you downloading and upping fro hours on end - is that evidence enough?

In theory yes. But they would have scan through the information sent (assuming its not encrypted) and determine whether it was legal or not. Since an ISP has 00000's of customers unless they're tipped off then its very unlikely they'd be able to this...

 

[skyscraper101]

Highly difficult to police. Would need to go through courts most likely - be a waste of money and won't curb piracy.

There should just be a blanket traffic tax on all ISPs which gets paid to the music and film industry IMHO. Bit like the BBC license.

 

[Sunray]

People forget that sharing files is what the web is based upon. What do people think a web server is doing? That can't be a point of reference.

Just having a name of a file isn't enough, they would have to play it to see if it was illegal. That would require them to have a team of people checking.

I wonder how much they will ban their customers. Banned customers can just go elsewhere.

 

[TopCat]

Who wants to be the first ISP that enacts bans? Perhaps an ISP that wishes to go out of business within weeks?

 

[ska invita]

I wonder how much they will ban their customers. Banned customers can just go elsewhere.

That's the thing with the information sharing bit I mentioned in the OP = if banned on one, could apply to others.

Who wants to be the first ISP that enacts bans? Perhaps an ISP that wishes to go out of business within weeks?

aye, thank god for capitalism

 

[Vintage Paw]

They'll be a 'friendly' isp out there who markets themselves on not introducting these measures, and they will mysteriously see their sign up rate sky rocketing as the big 4 lose customers left right and centre.

It's enough to go back to a BT phone line for (you don't get a lot of choice when you have a cable phone line, as to isp).

 

[Wintermute]

Am I completely wrong here or is the term "illegal downloaders" something of a misnomer? I didn't think it was the downloading aspect that was illegal, but rather the offering of files for download.

 

[gnoriac]

Banned customers won't be able to go elsewhere if it's done through legislation. If it becomes law the extra cost of monitoring may drive small ISPs to the wall. I suppose this is why the voluntary agreement doesn't seem to be happening, the record companies / film studios would rather wait for our big biz friendly govt to give them even more legal backing.

Haven't the French already brought this in?

Maybe we should all move to Sweden.

 

[kyser_soze]

Thing is, the whole torrenting/filesharing thing is still a bit of a minority pursuit because it involves tech, and once you've got thru your initial 'torrent ALL BSG/ALL Buffy/ALL Star Trek/ALL Wire' etc etc you tend to calm down a bit and go for Axxo movie downloads and TV shows you missedk, and if you're doing more than that and you've half a brain you're going to be paranoid enough to take the steps required to keep your self safe.

Not to mention the business aspect which has been talked about here...unless of course it becomes LAW that you aren't allowed an interweb account of any kind if you get slapped...

 

[jæd]

Its a draft proposal. So probably unlikely that it will be legislated (unless the Govt ignores all the technical considerations)

 

[dylanredefined]

what about wi fi if your wi fi account is open it could be someone else down loading off it .Nice idea but going to be difficult to enforce.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

nothing will create private internet/intranets quicker than this kind of action and then what are they going to come round your house and prevent you file sharing with your mates via your own private networks using wifi?

ring one might have the files you might have a connection to ring one and also to ring tow who can then all get the files and then they in turn may be on ring three via repeater stations and such like or even via forwarded IP's or reisdential domains and VPN's then the file sharing will increase but be even harder to quantify or conversly catch out.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Its a draft proposal. So probably unlikely that it will be legislated (unless the Govt ignores all the technical considerations)

like most of their technical legislation so far...

 

[Kanda]

From: Be member services [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: 11 February 2008 14:11
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: BeUnlimited-Warning of Alleged Service Abuse


Dear xxxxxxxx,



We recently received a complaint that you are suspected of illegally distributing copyrighted material.



IP Address: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Timestamp: 9 Feb 2008 19:30:11 GMT
Filename: Fifa 08 Fix


Our ‘Fair and acceptable usage policy’ states, amongst other things, that Be’s services cannot be used for:



‘Sending, receiving, publishing, posting, distributing, disseminating, encouraging the receipt of, uploading, downloading or using any material which is offensive, abusive, defamatory, indecent, obscene, unlawful, harassing or menacing or a breach of the copyright, trademark, intellectual property, confidence, privacy or any other rights of any person.



Activities that are in breach of any other third party’s rights, including downloading, installation or distribution of pirated software or other inappropriately licensed software, deletion of any author attributions, legal notices or proprietary designations or labels in any file that is uploaded, falsification of the origin or source of any software or other material.’



Please review our entire ‘Fair and acceptable usage policy’ and our Terms and Conditions by visiting BeThere.co.uk/termsandconditions



Please stop any activity described in this letter – we take such matters very seriously. If we receive additional complaints about your use of Be’s services in contravention of our terms and conditions or policies we will exercise our discretion (with or without further notice to you) to block such traffic and/or suspend your account and/or terminate your services. Obviously, we would prefer not to do so.



We do understand this may be happening without your knowledge or consent so please make sure your connection is secure as you are responsible for any improper use of your broadband services and must ensure that no one other than you has access to your account.



Yours sincerely,



Be Un limited

Colleague got this yesterday.

 

[wishface]

THis doesn't worry me at all. And if it doesn't worry me, then why are YOU!

e2a: the ISP association that exists think it's unworkable and impractical. They issued a statement on 5live earlier and really I don't think anything will come of this. IN fact the prevailing wisdom suggests emphatically that it would be impossible to know what's being shared by day to day monitoring. All they can do is increase traffic shaping and port throttling.

 

[wishface]

Colleague got this yesterday.

What proof has he been presented that he's breaking the law/terms?

 

[Kanda]

What proof has he been presented that he's breaking the law/terms?

Just what is in the Email.

 

[jæd]

Colleague got this yesterday.

How was he sharing it...?

 

[Kanda]

How was he sharing it...?

Bittorrent and left it seeding for only a small amount of time.

 

[ska invita]

Colleague got this yesterday.

This is interesting because not only do they offer the fastest broadband speed (key clientel: downloaders), but they are sending out these emails before any law has come in to effect.

 

[wishface]

Just what is in the Email.

If they get bolshey tell them to put up or shut up.

 

[Kanda]

If they get bolshey tell them to put up or shut up.

It's a colleague, fuck all to do with me

 

[boskysquelch]

Google Inc are up to something to "help" ISPs identifying individuals...

 

[ExtraRefined]

This is interesting because not only do they offer the fastest broadband speed (key clientel: downloaders), but they are sending out these emails before any law has come in to effect.

They'll have done it because they were contacted by a copyright holder. Emails like this have been being sent out for years - a friend of mine got one in 2005, and it had no further consequences.

 

[ska invita]

Google Inc are up to something to "help" ISPs identifying individuals...

I guess even in a worse case scenario one of two things might happen:
everyone will use an IP address scrambler, and some new P2P protocol will come out that can handle that, or also file names will have to be a little less blatant at the point of downloading, with the true contents only being posted in discreet places on the net.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Google Inc are up to something to "help" ISPs identifying individuals...

yeah like that'll work.

i advise every one to watch steal this film parts 1 and two in fact i'll stick them up on my server for people to download (as this is a requirement anyway of downloading them...!!) part 1 is about the shut down and reestablishment of pirate bay and part two is about the fact that DRM and the companies behind it have allready failed...

will post links in a bit

 

[Boris Sprinkler]

everyone will use an IP address scrambler,

is that a technical term?

 

[jæd]

I guess even in a worse case scenario one of two things might happen:
everyone will use an IP address scrambler, and some new P2P protocol will come out that can handle that, or also file names will have to be a little less blatant at the point of downloading, with the true contents only being posted in discreet places on the net.

Or more likely : People start using BitTorrent with encrption switched on...