German or Italian Opera?

[siarc]

the only worthwhile italian composers to have wasted their time with this flatulently literalistic bourgeois wank are afaik verdi, dallapiccola, maderna & berio as opposed to mozart, handel, stockhausen, berg, beethoven, krenek and probably many others within the austro german tradition so you're probably all correct

 

[Hollis]

This thread is German Opera or Italian Opera, which do you prefer?

Clear choice, German or Italian.

If it was a thread about which coulour do you prefer green or blue they would be the choices, green or blue, not yellow, red, purple etc.

I am very much afraid this is not the case though.. The thread starter provides other options in the poll, suggesting that a broader range of opinions regarding opera can be courted on the thread.

 

[pilchardman]

flatulently literalistic bourgeois wank

Hmmm. Working class people aren't allowed to like it, then?

 

[tobyjug]

So, bad opera, then.

Because good opera singers don't sound like that.

ALL female opera singers sound like that to me. The sound causes me actual physical pain.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

I hate opera especially female opera singers who sound as if they are being tortured with a combination of heated irons and high voltage electricity.

But if you actually listen to them, some female opera singers have a command of the human voice that is beautiful to listen to, otherworldly almost.

 

[lizzieloo]

I am very much afraid this is not the case though.. The thread starter provides other options in the poll, suggesting that a broader range of opinions regarding opera can be courted on the thread.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

ALL female opera singers sound like that to me. The sound causes me actual physical pain.

That's because you're thinking 'opera'. Just listen to what they're actually doing.

 

[pilchardman]

ALL female opera singers sound like that to me.

You have the advantage of me there, sir. I, for one, have not heard even a small fraction of the total number of female opera singers.

 

[tobyjug]

But if you actually listen to them, some female opera singers have a command of the human voice that is beautiful to listen to, otherworldly almost.

I am too busy getting as far away as possible in order to stop the pain.

 

[Donna Ferentes]

ALL female opera singers sound like that to me. The sound causes me actual physical pain.

Can I send you several hundred CDs to listen to?

 

[Donna Ferentes]

This thread is German Opera or Italian Opera, which do you prefer?

Clear choice, German or Italian.

If it was a thread about which colour do you prefer green or blue they would be the choices, green or blue, not yellow, red, purple etc.

This would be so were not for the phrase "all opera" in one of the options.

 

[siarc]

Hmmm. Working class people aren't allowed to like it, then?

not if they are ideologically sound

opera is symptomatic of bourgeois logocentrism surely

a failing of class consciousness

capitalist roaders

 

[Hollis]

Its a fair pont. Which deserves attention. IMHO.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

I am too busy getting as far away as possible in order to stop the pain.

You're just trying too hard to be Joe working stiff.

Dame Kiri Te Kanawa is a beautiful singer.

I came to appreciate female opera singers a while ago, when I heard a street beggar/performer doing some songs from Madame Butterfly.

Taken outside the usual confines of the tv set or the opera hall, you could just listen to her, and forget the other shit. It was incredible.

Not all music is rock and roll, or even the Irish Rovers.

 

[tobyjug]

Can I send you several hundred CDs to listen to?

No you can't. It is something about female opera singers that causes me physical pain. It is worse than bagpipes.

 

[Hollis]

onot if they are ideologically sound

opera is symptotatic of bourgeois logocentrism surely

a failing of class consciousness

capitalist roaders

I'd say so - one week it bourgeois opera, the next they'll be spitting in the face of the very workers they should be showing solidarity with..

Look at Andy Gilchrist.. acouple glasses of posh red wine.. and they're back at work the next week.

 

[lizzieloo]

Its a fair pont. Which deserves attention. IMHO.

YEP That's why I'm buggering off

 

[Donna Ferentes]

You're just trying too hard to be Joe working stiff.

Johnny plays both sides of the street.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

opera is symptotatic of bourgeois logocentrism surely
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This is symptomatic of university-grade logorrhea.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Johnny plays both sides of the street.

Maybe, but that quote isn't an example of it.

And why are you paying so much attention to what I say to pilchardman?

 

[tobyjug]

You're just trying too hard to be Joe working stiff.

Dame Kiri Te Kanawa is a beautiful singer.

As long as she isn't singing Opera she sounds OK, that goes for most female opera singers. There is something about opera singing that causes the pain.

 

[Donna Ferentes]

Curiously enough Toby I experience pain every time I read one of your postings.

 

[pilchardman]

I am too busy getting as far away as possible in order to stop the pain.

Just for me, because you have such admiration for me, seek out Maria Callas' Mamma Morta. And Renata Tebaldi's "Ebben? ne andro lontana" from La Wally. And Delibes' Flower Duet sung by Mady Mesplé and Danielle Millet.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

As long as she isn't singing Opera she sounds OK, that goes for most female opera singers. There is something about opera singing that causes the pain.

You're entitled to your opinion.

I love bagpipes: I know people who run for cover when they hear them.

 

[siarc]

This is symptomatic of university-grade logorrhea

" " " " problems with 'irony'

 

[tobyjug]

You're entitled to your opinion.

I love bagpipes: I know people who run for cover when they hear them.

The physical pain is a fact not an opinion.

 

[pilchardman]

No you can't. It is something about female opera singers that causes me physical pain. It is worse than bagpipes.

Oh. ffs. I missed this classic. You don't like bagpipes? At all? Ever?

That makes me think you've only ever heard them played by music hall comedians or drunk buskers.

 

[Donna Ferentes]

The physical pain is a fact not an opinion.

Thank God for that. For a moment there I thought you were bullshitting us.

 

[tobyjug]

Oh. ffs. I missed this classic. You don't like bagpipes? At all? Ever?

That makes me think you've only ever heard them played by music hall comedians or drunk buskers.

You think wrong. I hate bagpipes with a passion. It is the actual sound, the skill or otherwise of the player is irrelevant.

 

[lizzieloo]

You think wrong. I hate bagpipes with a passion. It is the actual sound, the skill or otherwise of the player is irrelevant.

So what do you like?