General warning to posters

[fela fan]

aye, but sometimes i hope that folk'll start switching to a form of debate less based on attacking others when they realise how more effective it can be to seperate the ideas being discussed from who said said ideas and emotions towards them; mebbe it's a bit optimistic though.

Unfortunately mate it's way too optimistic! I thoroughly endorse your hopes though.

It's really actually so simple. Posters stick to the opinions being expressed, the message being written. They do not, when they disagree with/hate the opinion being expressed, then attack the messenger.

Stick to the message, forget the messenger. Then real, worthy, exciting, cut-and-thrust debate occurs.

Someone initiates insults, and then the spiral is upon us in a flash. I hope editor and the mods can begin to pick out the intiator and then we may have a modicum of hope.

But optimistic? Nah, it's my nature, but not when it comes to the political forums on urban75.

 

[fela fan]

^ name names!

I guess you're asking me there mate! Well, i've been enjoying your recent posts, so i certainly didn't have you in mind.

I won't name names. I'd love to. But much as i hate diplomacy, many folk are unready for such blatant truths.

But, here you go, i'll name one: pk. That's a safe one, i can only get called the same as usual by him. Plus he is particularly full of invective.

Happy?!

 

[fela fan]

And having just flicked over to take a butchers at the bbc thread in world, and having seen what pk just wrote, then that is personal abuse at its very worst. He seems like a thoroughly distasteful kind of chap. His language is exactly the kind that editor is appealing on this thread to not be allowed.

It is, in my humble book, totally bannable. To speak to a fellow human being in that manner is inexcusable.

 

[layabout]

And having just flicked over to take a butchers at the bbc thread in world, and having seen what pk just wrote, then that is personal abuse at its very worst. He seems like a thoroughly distasteful kind of chap. His language is exactly the kind that editor is appealing on this thread to not be allowed.

It is, in my humble book, totally bannable. To speak to a fellow human being in that manner is inexcusable.

Didn't you say you was leaving?

 

[editor]

Most people do this kind of thing editor, i'm sure i have, and i know you have. We're all guilty of it at times. Honesty on this topic will go a long way to finding some kind of solution.

I'm getting really fed up with your houlier than thou attitude, and attempts to quietly stir things up.

 

[editor]

And having just flicked over to take a butchers at the bbc thread in world, and having seen what pk just wrote, then that is personal abuse at its very worst. He seems like a thoroughly distasteful kind of chap. His language is exactly the kind that editor is appealing on this thread to not be allowed.

It is, in my humble book, totally bannable. To speak to a fellow human being in that manner is inexcusable.

FFS.

You don't fucking listen do you?

This thread was asking posters to stop slinging about personal abuse brought over from previous spats, and what do you do?

You start attacking another poster because of a spat you had on another thread!

I've been trying to avoid naming names, but you've just outed yourself as one of the worst, most hypocritical offenders.

I suggest you carefully mull over the content of my first post in this thread:

If posters continue to derail threads with such unprovoked, off-topic personal attacks, they will be warned and then banned

 

[fela fan]

Didn't you say you was leaving?

The world forum for at least a couple of months yes. No other forum yet, but probably won't be long. We'll see how i feel eh mate.

 

[maomao]

I'm definitely not saying the mods did a bad job. I tried to persuade him to stay, but like I said, he simply didn't want to get involved in something that dirty. It really complicated matters that the other poster isn't disruptive at all otherwise, so yeah, I'd say that you did what you could.

If the other poster isn't at all disruptive in other situations then it's quite possible that it was in fact your friend that was being abusive and unreasonable. Remember abuse isn't limited to four letter words

The only other thing I can think of was to threaten to other party with ban for spreading on-board abuse off-board (threatening to sue for libel, report him to his employers, etc), and I really don't expect that from you.

It does seem hypocritical to ask for a squabble to be taken 'off the boards' and then come back to urban to complain that it's not going very well. Surely abuse ceases to be the concern of the u75 moderators when it leaves u75. Anyway, it's been dropped and it's staying that way dependant on continued good behaviour.

 

[Epicurus]

I no longer discuss politics in the pub.

When i did, i never insulted anyone.

I don't feel the need to insult anyone here. But being often at the end of such abuse, at times i stray from my intended path of not replying in kind. It's rare, but i personally find myself at the end of a concerted pattern of abuse from certain posters. I don't give a flying monkeys personally, but like i tried to make the point, i do give in to the temptation at times.

Many others do. My point is that some posters are ready to dish it out. Other posters never do so initially, but once they find themselves under attack, will at some point reply in kind. The tolerance level is different from poster to poster.

But certain posters are more than ready to make it their main currency. It's those posters i was hoping editor might aim his warning at.

Thanks for taking the time to reply

I'm glad you "no longer discuss politics in the pub" (it's boteco where I'm from) as it often a waste of breath

I was thinking about posting a poll asking people if they think "people with very high post counts thought more about themselves than they do about what they are posting" (you are not one of them and that could be good or bad, I guess it depending on how you view things).

Isn't it the case that many people on here have lots of opinions and a very high opinion of themselves, I wonder if there is a direct relation between post count and self love?

peace

 

[editor]

Isn't it the case that many people on here have lots of opinions and a very high opinion of themselves, I wonder if there is a direct relation between post count and self love?

What a load of stinking horseshit that dumb theory is.

 

[invisibleplanet]

What a load of stinking horseshit that dumb theory is.

Unless self-love is meant in it's auto-erotic sense.
If so, he may well be calling 'top posters' 'wankers'


ps. i'm just foolin' around here *hrhr* and not being serious!

 

[fela fan]

Thanks for taking the time to reply

I'm glad you "no longer discuss politics in the pub" (it's boteco where I'm from) as it often a waste of breath

I was thinking about posting a poll asking people if they think "people with very high post counts thought more about themselves than they do about what they are posting" (you are not one of them and that could be good or bad, I guess it depending on how you view things).

Isn't it the case that many people on here have lots of opinions and a very high opinion of themselves, I wonder if there is a direct relation between post count and self love?

peace

Very good point mate! There are speakers, and there are listeners, and everybody comes in at some point on that continuum. A fairer question would actually look at the number of posts per day on average. But sure, i know of plenty round these parts that have rather a wee problem in listening to others. You know, they already know it, so no point in listening...

On the other hand, there are folk who speak a lot, but also listen a lot.

Politics in the pub would ruin a good time. The only place for politics is here on urban, and even then, as editor has noted by starting this thread, that just often degenerates into personal abuse.

You've been a rare ray of light on these boards in recent times by the way!

 

[Epicurus]

What a load of stinking horseshit that dumb theory is.

Why such a dismissive response Ed? And I'm sure you know it was a rhetorical question.

You must have seen lots of this on here, people who have lots to say for themselves but very little content in their posts is relevant, intelligent or on topic, I'm not saying that everyone with a high post count is like this but I think there is a fair number.

Anyway it is an opinion and not fact, I have posted here since about May 2002 I think and I have got some very good information and help from this site, but I have also waded through lots of abuse and ignorance at times.

Posting here is not that different to having a conversation in a pub and I'm sure there is a mix on Urban like the mix in most pubs (the mix in the Albert anyway) and like the pub there are people who post here who have lots to say and a lot of it bollocks, in the pub I'd just move and talk to someone else and on here I tend to just ignore the people who I think are as I describe.

This is not a complaint as when I get fed up of it I leave for a while

As there isn't a cure for verbal diarrhoea I guess there isn't a cure for posting diarrhoea other than banning and I'm sure that isn't the way anyone would want to go

 

[Pickman's model]

What a load of stinking horseshit that dumb theory is.

i dunno. i think there might be something in it.

 

[editor]

i dunno. i think there might be something in it.

As one of the most prolific posters here, what do you think that might be?

 

[Pickman's model]

As one of the most prolific posters here, what do you think that might be?

ffs!

i thought i made myself quite clear. enough other posters over the course of the past couple of years have made it plain that they think that something's up with people with high post counts. i imagine you've noticed that sort of thing now and again. either posters with high posters have more to say than the others (my preferred explanation) or there's some other explanation. self-love's as good an alternative thesis as any other.

 

[nino_savatte]

Originally Posted by Epicurus
Posting here is not that different to having a conversation in a pub

Are you staring at my pint?????!!!!!!

 

[Epicurus]

ffs!

i thought i made myself quite clear. enough other posters over the course of the past couple of years have made it plain that they think that something's up with people with high post counts. i imagine you've noticed that sort of thing now and again. either posters with high posters have more to say than the others (my preferred explanation) or there's some other explanation. self-love's as good an alternative thesis as any other.

Maybe my clumsy English is to blame as self love is meant to mean, opinionated and think a lot of themselves. (A lot more than others in the real world think of them or their opinions)

Also having just read the post I quoted above, I should also explain that it isn't really the high post count that I was getting at more the high daily number of post.

I think one of the most interesting people on here has a very high post count but then most of his posts are not just 1 line or a smiley.

 

[Udo Erasmus]

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[editor]

Udo Erasmus

What's the point of this post please?

 

[Chymical]

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Rofpmsl

stick it to tha man

 

[nino_savatte]

Do you really expect me to start listing posters for your benefit?



But seeing as you're so curious, I was generally addressing this forum.

I haven't got time to trawl through reported threads and pick out individual culprits, but there was a clear pattern of people responding to points with off-topic, personal attacks which were clearly brought over from previous spats on other threads.

So I'm not going to start singling out people individually - I'm just trying to stop this culture of posters continually derailing topics with personal attacks.

There are certain posters, it seems, whose sole job it is to derail threads and goad others into fights. One or two of them seem to feel that if they use a little humour then they can carry on regradless...and they do.

FWIW my recent scraps have been the result of constant harrassment from a couple of posters who, rather than engage me, will throw about cheap, snide remarks. Others like to set up conflicts between other posters.

Personally. I'm getting fed up with having to deal with cheap insults and irrelvant tosh from one or two of them. I wish something could be done about these disruptive twats.

 

[PrinceToad]

Isn't it the case that many people on here have lots of opinions and a very high opinion of themselves, I wonder if there is a direct relation between post count and self love?

What a load of stinking horseshit that dumb theory is.

I took editor's reply as a self-deprecating joke, and a very witty one too.

Of course I know that epicurus is right, as i simply can't stop myself posting ... or whatever it is i'm doing here.

 

[Raisin D'etre]

He does have a way with words doesn't he?

 

[DaveCinzano]

There are certain posters, it seems, whose sole job it is to derail threads and goad others into fights. One or two of them seem to feel that if they use a little humour then they can carry on regradless...and they do.

FWIW my recent scraps have been the result of constant harrassment from a couple of posters who, rather than engage me, will throw about cheap, snide remarks. Others like to set up conflicts between other posters.

Personally. I'm getting fed up with having to deal with cheap insults and irrelvant tosh from one or two of them. I wish something could be done about these disruptive twats.

couldn't agree more

 

[spring-peeper]

*bump*

This was started a year ago - end of January.

This is the first time I'm read this thread. I'm bumping it for the benefit of other new posters.

 

[nino_savatte]

*bump*

This was started a year ago - end of January.

This is the first time I'm read this thread. I'm bumping it for the benefit of other new posters.

You need to read this....but you won't....I wonder why?

Originally Posted by nino_savatte
There are certain posters, it seems, whose sole job it is to derail threads and goad others into fights. One or two of them seem to feel that if they use a little humour then they can carry on regradless...and they do.

FWIW my recent scraps have been the result of constant harrassment from a couple of posters who, rather than engage me, will throw about cheap, snide remarks. Others like to set up conflicts between other posters.

Personally. I'm getting fed up with having to deal with cheap insults and irrelvant tosh from one or two of them. I wish something could be done about these disruptive twats

 

[Mrs Magpie]

beam eye mote

 

[hundredthmonkey]

schotti

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Just in case nobody's noticed my numerous warnings: this forum is getting snowed under with personal spats and nobody seems to be prepared to stop. Therefore any the posting of any personal attacks risks the immediate hair-trigger banning of the poster.