General rant about primary school.
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LilMissHissyFit
Disturbed in a pink bra
Stobart Stopper said:
I agree, being on the end of a dispute with the school over something really important is really horrible, demoralising and stressful and it feels the trust and relationship you have with the school has been eroded and you are treated with suspicion and negativity- We are in that position right now as parents over something litterally of key importance to our child.
Getting yourself into a confict over something as unimportant as getting wet in the morning really isnt to be recommended, take it from someone who is now worrying shes drinking too much, not sleeping and is stressed beyond belief worrying about it all and her childrens future happiness and education in the school.
Unless of course you like a nice big fuss and couldnt care what the consequences are so long as you get what you want....of course then by all means kick off to your hearts content and upset people but when something really important happens or you are feeling they treat you like crap you will wish you hadnt
Nah I'm not going to kick off. I was annoyed but calmed down quick enough. Most of you have made good points. I think that lack of communication between new parents and the school is to blame here. Like I said earlier, had I known we would have to wait outside then I wouldn't have been so annoyed. Mentioning the teacher drinking her coffee was rather unfair, I admit, but we all go through times of feeling unreasonable!
I needed to vent
and for others to either support me or tell me how silly I was being. Its all in perspective now thanks to the replies.
I wonder if I could start off some form of parent supervision for the mornings so that there might be a rota of Mums and Dads who will make sure the children are safe and able to arrive that little bit earlier. Like I said, 15 mins should be enough, hopefully others will want to help out.
I do have two older children and never had this problem before. The gap between my first two and my last is considerable so am obviously unfamiliar with how much things have changed over the years. I was expecting to have the same consideration I used to, but people take the piss and schools have to protect themselves. It really is such a shame.
I used to help out once a week at our last school and enjoyed every minute! unfortunately I just don't have the time anymore. I used to love talking to the children and showing them how to do things.
Just in case I came across as a moany cow I would like to say in my defense that I don't normally spout off about such things. I was feeling on top of the world this morning, really proud of my son in his new togs. But left the school feeling annoyed that things have got to this stage.
I needed to vent
and for others to either support me or tell me how silly I was being. Its all in perspective now thanks to the replies.I wonder if I could start off some form of parent supervision for the mornings so that there might be a rota of Mums and Dads who will make sure the children are safe and able to arrive that little bit earlier. Like I said, 15 mins should be enough, hopefully others will want to help out.
I do have two older children and never had this problem before. The gap between my first two and my last is considerable so am obviously unfamiliar with how much things have changed over the years. I was expecting to have the same consideration I used to, but people take the piss and schools have to protect themselves. It really is such a shame.
I used to help out once a week at our last school and enjoyed every minute! unfortunately I just don't have the time anymore. I used to love talking to the children and showing them how to do things.
Just in case I came across as a moany cow I would like to say in my defense that I don't normally spout off about such things. I was feeling on top of the world this morning, really proud of my son in his new togs. But left the school feeling annoyed that things have got to this stage.
pennimania
still dre and drooling
A fuckwit speaks...
the rota is a good idea - as Mrs Magpie said - you'll almost certainly find all the staff in a morning 'briefing' just before school starts - they have to be there - it's the management's daily chance to assert authority and make nasty little digs.
Planning cannot be done in the holidays - or rather it can, but not in the daily specific way which is required these days. Which does not just include teaching objectives and strategies linked to the syllabus, but (at my school anyway) evidenceof how special needs students were being catered for, how the school's literacy, numeracy and ICT policies were being implemented, and other stuff like spiritual, moral and ethical stuff. If it was a GNVQ lesson, key skills had to be mapped and logged for each separate lesson.
And you have to be able to show all this stuff at a moment's notice so you have to keep on top of it.
I'm not unsympathetic, I just know how it works from the other side.
I'm an art teacher btw.
the rota is a good idea - as Mrs Magpie said - you'll almost certainly find all the staff in a morning 'briefing' just before school starts - they have to be there - it's the management's daily chance to assert authority and make nasty little digs.
Planning cannot be done in the holidays - or rather it can, but not in the daily specific way which is required these days. Which does not just include teaching objectives and strategies linked to the syllabus, but (at my school anyway) evidenceof how special needs students were being catered for, how the school's literacy, numeracy and ICT policies were being implemented, and other stuff like spiritual, moral and ethical stuff. If it was a GNVQ lesson, key skills had to be mapped and logged for each separate lesson.
And you have to be able to show all this stuff at a moment's notice so you have to keep on top of it.
I'm not unsympathetic, I just know how it works from the other side.
I'm an art teacher btw.
E. Coli said:
Well I don't have kids and wouldn't use the phrase you've highlighted but overprotective parents are nauseating.
I think as regards the original topic there is certianly one phrase, in fact one word i don't like, "policy", that's an excuse for passing the buck or remote planners creating a dumb ass rule they'll never suffer under.
Don't let it rest, complain to the PTA, the governors, the teachers who you think will be sympathetic, the LEA, all of them, and get others donig it to.
People power rather than policy power.
TeeJay said:
No they don't. When my mother was teaching she never had time to watch TV, read a book, spend time with us etc because she had such a ludicrous amount of work to do all year round. Now she works for an LEA and has barely any more time to herself.
The reason she does these jobs is because she cares about kids and their education.
I've seen all this close up for many years and it's for this reason that people who witter on about how much time off teachers get really wind me up summat chronic. It's just small minded ignorance.
Funky_monks
Neo-Rustic
A school caretaker writes:
I guess the reason that the school do not open their gates before this time is because as soon as the kids go on school property, the school are probably liable if an accident occurs. If there is a shortage of qualified supervisors at this time (non-teaching assistants or whatever), then the school may have no choice but to keep the gates closed. The rise of litigation in this country means schools need to take whatever precaution they feel nescessary to cover their arses.
Most teachers at the primary school I work at arrive before 8.30, but thats when the daily staff meeting is. They leave at 6-6.30ish.
For whoever was writing about being left in the cold.....Have you never heard of the coat? It's an amazing invention. Children are covered in puppy-fat anyway and don't suffer from being left in the cold for a little while. So many people want to protect their children from any mild discomfort these days, it cant be good for them in the long run. For example - All nettles and thistles on school property have to be removed where I work.
When I was at primary school, my dad used to put me in shorts for the remainder of the year after his birthday (Feb 15th). I can't remember it really bothering me, apart from the lack of coolness tht the wearing of shorts brought.
I guess the reason that the school do not open their gates before this time is because as soon as the kids go on school property, the school are probably liable if an accident occurs. If there is a shortage of qualified supervisors at this time (non-teaching assistants or whatever), then the school may have no choice but to keep the gates closed. The rise of litigation in this country means schools need to take whatever precaution they feel nescessary to cover their arses.
Most teachers at the primary school I work at arrive before 8.30, but thats when the daily staff meeting is. They leave at 6-6.30ish.
For whoever was writing about being left in the cold.....Have you never heard of the coat? It's an amazing invention. Children are covered in puppy-fat anyway and don't suffer from being left in the cold for a little while. So many people want to protect their children from any mild discomfort these days, it cant be good for them in the long run. For example - All nettles and thistles on school property have to be removed where I work.
When I was at primary school, my dad used to put me in shorts for the remainder of the year after his birthday (Feb 15th). I can't remember it really bothering me, apart from the lack of coolness tht the wearing of shorts brought.
Fledgling said:
I'm not sure keeping your kids dry and warm is overprotective is it? If anyone's being overprotective it's the school not wanting the kiddies in the playground in the first place. There should be somewhere to shelter from the weather if the doors are locked - not everyone drives and can sit in a car, nor does everyone arrive bang on school opening times.
Stobart Stopper
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In my day we had coats and umbrellas.E. Coli said:
Stobart Stopper
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They tend to help prevent adults and children from getting wet. When they are outside in the rain.E. Coli said:
madzone said:
I suppose everyone has differing views and I should have expected some people disagreeing with me even though I was quite surprised at how harsh some have been. I did need a bit of sympathy yesterday and instead I just learnt to live with it.
On the other hand perhaps my original post was also harsh towards the school.
I do thank you for supporting me, its so nice to see a little empathy and understanding to a rant.
Natasha
