General Brixton history - photos, stories etc

Discussion in 'Brixton' started by editor, Mar 17, 2014.

  1. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

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    windsor castle highlighted

    let's say he's 20 houses down so round about 147 mayall road

    could you show your working?
     
  2. teuchter

    teuchter je suis teuchter

    To the left of where you've scribbled your yellow pen, you can see the facade of a modernist building, which you can also see in my google link. Plus an anomalous projecting window at first floor level, also visible on google streetview if you move north a bit. This clearly establishes that the location is to the south of the junction with Chaucer road, whereas you claimed it was the stretch north of that junction.
     
  3. MissL

    MissL Well-Known Member

    Hmm very strange. Maybe it's not Mayall Road then? Can understand it being there originally and then being taken down but very unusual if it were all reinstated.
     
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  4. MissL

    MissL Well-Known Member

    Ignore me I'm being a moron. Only just catching up on posts :)
     
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  5. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    yeh. because as you can see from your picture you can't see the windsor castle from there, which missl suggested was in the background: but i take your point about the bleak brutalist building. incidentally, 245 mayall road has been recently or is for sale: so the question of ownership needs more investigation. someone like you with an eye for detail might like to look into it.
     
  6. MissL

    MissL Well-Known Member

    The only other road I can think of with houses that style is Pulross Road - looking towards Brixton.
     
  7. MissL

    MissL Well-Known Member

    And that's maybe the Queen pub rather than the Windsor Castle. Queen? Is that what it was called?
     
  8. teuchter

    teuchter je suis teuchter

    Just a whacky theory of mine, but maybe that's because it burned down in the riots, and generally it's hard to see things that don't exist.
     
  9. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    i don't think it is, having looked on the auld maps and google maps.

    tell you what, someone should email lkj and ask him: LKJ Records - Linton Kwesi Johnson | Contact us
     
  10. MissL

    MissL Well-Known Member

    Actually just found the photo online (Black Music Research Unit) and it says it's Railton Road. Mystery solved.
     
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  11. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    yeh when you've got the wrong road it's particularly hard.
     
  12. teuchter

    teuchter je suis teuchter

    That's wrong. It's Mayall Rd.
     
  13. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    teuchter Pickman's model MissL I still think Mayall Rd more likely.
    1. there is a bleak modernist façade on the left in actuality, which was there pre the 1981 disturbances - it is actually the back of Railton Road Methodist Church
    2. Mayall Road was one of those selected for an envelope scheme under the Housing Action Areas, which could account for restoration of ornamentation.

    Also anyone looking at modern photo of Mayall Road has to adjust to the Metropolitan Housing scheme next to the Leeson Road railway tunnel.

    If that photo is really Railon Road where is it then? My feeling is that "Railton Road" is a 1980s generic term like Brixton was a generic term - vibrant, radical, black, opressed etc.
     
  14. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    When I'm back from dinner I'll email lkj and ask
     
  15. teuchter

    teuchter je suis teuchter

    It's 100% definitely Mayall Rd.
     
  16. MissL

    MissL Well-Known Member

    Personally I'm with you on Mayall Road. We know best. Mystery solved. I gotta get some work done now :)
     
  17. teuchter

    teuchter je suis teuchter

    That's interesting, does that mean the work was carried out with council funding?

    That terrace has always struck me as a handsome one. Sadly in the last couple of years Lambeth have granted permission for a couple of mansard roof extensions within it. That's going to break up the roof line and put an end to the consistency (until everyone's done one anyway).
     
  18. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    But round 219 you say
     
  19. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    I don't know how envelope schemes worked funding wise, but I think it would have been 100% council funded. In the case of individual houses up to £30,000 was available, but I think there were conditions on sale etc.

    You should remember that many of the houses in both Railton and Mayall roads were actually council owned (and many squatted). An envelope scheme including council owned and privately owned houses would surely have made sense at that time (Ted Knight/Ken Livingstone etc - even George Tremlett former GLC Tory Housing chief might well have approved )
     
  20. teuchter

    teuchter je suis teuchter

    Correct
     
  21. MissL

    MissL Well-Known Member

    oh you two :)
     
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  22. lang rabbie

    lang rabbie Je ne regrette les gazebos

    There's a rant somewhere - I think it was by Iain Sinclair - about how housing improvement area grants of that era got spent on the priorities of middle class amenity societies such as reinstating Victorian cornices and finial features rather than on sorting out damp lower ground floors.
     
  23. Puddy_Tat

    Puddy_Tat for the workers' breakfast

    Having had a look at Mayall Road on street view, the cornices or whatever they is, I am inclined to think they are recent additions, not the originals. I can't believe that the originals of that age would all be as complete and in as good condition as those seem to be.
     
  24. sealion

    sealion Well-Known Member

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    sealion Well-Known Member

  26. sealion

    sealion Well-Known Member

    Aswad 1981
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  27. Puddy_Tat

    Puddy_Tat for the workers' breakfast

    I'm not at all convinced it's Railton Road (unless the houses have been demolished - I've only got currentish street view to go on) - some on Railton Road are a similar style (possibly same developer or builder) but they are three storey.

    I'm mainly going on shape of the windows, decorative brickwork on the houses on the opposite side of the road, brickwork / shape of the ground floor windows on the side of the road he's walking along - all of which match the bit of Mayall Road near Shakespeare Street (this sort of bit). Also no sign of any bus stops - the 2 ran along Railton Road in the 70s

    (The one with the shop may well be Railton Road - I can't find an exact match)

    And as it's just round the corner, if LKJ was doing a photo-shoot, it's quite possible he walked round the block and the photographer may have recorded the whole lot as Railton Road. Whether LKJ or anyone else involved (getting on for 40 years ago) would remember exactly what streets they walked along is doubtful.

    Just because an archive says something is X doesn't always mean it's correct - I've encountered a few anomalies in archives more 'official' than this one...
     
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  28. teuchter

    teuchter je suis teuchter

    It definitely is not Railton Rd.
    It definitely is Mayall Rd.
    There need be no further discussion on this.
     
  29. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    In a way this would make a better front-drop to the Hip-Hop Chip Shop
     
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  30. sealion

    sealion Well-Known Member

    I don't think there was a pub on Mayall rd . When i saw the picture first i thought of the Dalyell road and what could the Marquis pub in the distance.
     

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