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Geldof cancels Italy concerts after low turnout

Hi-ASL said:
That's a fair assessment, fishy fingers. I note you've reversed my #1 and #2 positions though - a timeless argument.

(Starts singing) Toooommmmy gunnnnn...


bollocks , no way

The Rejects were not Punks , but then again neither were Sham or The Boomtown Rats but lets not start on that one shall we.
 
hammerntongues said:
bollocks , no way

The Rejects were not Punks , but then again neither were Sham or The Boomtown Rats but lets not start on that one shall we.
Just to reiterate, Geldof was claiming that the Rats were in the top 10 groups of the era, all genres, not punk specifically.
 
lightsoutlondon said:
Yuss.

Allow me to comfort you in your hour of need and disillusionment. :)
Thanks. It was quite a shock to the system to realise that a system based on surplus value accumulation wouldn't mean an equal distribution of wealth, and that the "trickle down effect" doesn't work. Who'd have thunk it? :confused:
 
lightsoutlondon said:
Profit/economic rent. The exploitation of labour. The maximisation of return on capital by one or both or all parties to any one specific trade/transaction.

unfairly traded MPH wristbands!
 
Zoë Herself said:
That's ok, it was a necessary evil to promote the wider cause :)

yep, one day poverty will be history. no-one will work, and we'll sleep on beds made of u2 albums.
 
Zoë Herself said:
Thanks. It was quite a shock to the system to realise that a system based on surplus value accumulation wouldn't mean an equal distribution of wealth, and that the "trickle down effect" doesn't work. Who'd have thunk it? :confused:

I know. It's a shocker, eh?

That's why violent revolution is the only way ahead - to prise from the grasp of the boss class the means of production, distribution and dissemination of information. :rolleyes:

Shite. I really have to go and get my haircut.

*puts away soap box*

try some Impaled Nazarene instead of Coldplay. You'll love it... Lmao. :D
 
lightsoutlondon said:
What was it Lou Reed said on the New York album?

"Another rock singer who has a direct line to God? ", or similar. Reed was singing about Bono, I believe.

"Does anyone really need another self-righteous rock singer,
whose nose he says has led him straight to God"

I believe he was singing about himself.
 
fishfingerer said:
Sub Commandante Marcos, Ken Saro Wiwa, and Naomi Klein I suppose would be amongst the most famous examples of specific individuals who may have genuinely politicised people.
I can't think of what these people have called for apart from the first two beng involved with specific Mexican and Nigeria campaigns and the third having written a trendy book. I can't see how the first two would have promoted many people to political engagement outside of their specific campaigns and the third is a feeble example of trendy anti-cap. bandwagon jumping. Pathetic.
 
fishfingerer said:
Maybe, maybe not, but how have they been politicised as a result of MPH? And what do they think of Geldof's grand plan to force our leaders to deal with poverty; ie people should simply vote for someone else. The great and good must be laughing their arses off at him behind his back the stupid fucking mug.
They won't be laughing if everyone starts voting for the Green Party or Respect you stupid fucking mug.
 
TeeJay said:
They won't be laughing if everyone starts voting for the Green Party or Respect you stupid fucking mug.
I will, but only at the liberals.

The Green Party is a fucking joke, Respect is even more so. In all the time they've had, they've done little or nothing of any real value, just made a career out of the gullibility of a few liberals and cross class, communalist bullshit, respectively.
 
IB, genuine question and one that is now off topic, you don't believe any form of activism that won't directly lead to revolution, and you believe that anything short of revolution isn't worth doing so why bother. ok, i can get all that. but seeing as you're waiting to get involved in anything until you know that it will lead directly to revolution of some sort, why do you bother hanging around here and sniping about how pointless the actions of any particular group or individual are?

it just seems a real waste of time that's all, and does nothing but make people of all political hue get pissed off at you.
 
TeeJay said:
The fact that hunger and disease has not been eliminated from the world does not mean that the work of NGOs and charities does not good whatsoever. In fact their actions save a lot of lives and help a lot of people avoid a lot of misery.
Odd then, that the problems continue to worsen.

It might be second best to proper government action and widespread reforms but it is something that private individuals can contribute independently from government. More recently Live8 and MPH have addressed a range of political issues and asked for political pressure and engagement not for more money.
The result? More loans going to various third world states, given on the condition that they further fuck over the working classes of those states. Go Geldof, go!

You seem to suffer from the sectarian disease of claiming that anyone who doesn't subscribe to your exact political position on anything is automatically useless and won't achieve anything.
That's not sectarianism, it's honesty. If I thought that MPH was useful, I'd agree with it, so I would agree with the political position of the MPH campaign.

Do people who say shit like this actually think about what they're saying at all?

While it might be true in your view that your preferred solution (global class-struggle anarchist revolution maybe?) is best, this doesn't mean that anything that isn't equally radical doesn't actually impact positively on people's lives and will do an immense amount of good in the world while people wait around for you to launch your revolutionary front.
As fun as it may be for you to assign opinions to people that they don't and have never held, it's neither useful nor good debating practise, just thought you should know.

In any case, as I've said before, only the people living in third world countries can eliminate the poverty there. I can't do anything to change that.
 
bluestreak said:
IB, genuine question and one that is now off topic, you don't believe any form of activism that won't directly lead to revolution, and you believe that anything short of revolution isn't worth doing so why bother.
No, I don't. I just don't believe that most of what is done by the lefty milleu is useful or relevant (so why bother? ;))
 
pk said:
"Does anyone really need another self-righteous rock singer,
whose nose he says has led him straight to God"

I believe he was singing about himself.

That's the line. I'm almost certain he was singing about Bono. Wouldn't argue over it though. Thanks for digging it out. :)
 
TeeJay said:
They won't be laughing if everyone starts voting for the Green Party or Respect you stupid fucking mug.
The greens had their time in government in germany and achieved absolutely fuck all except for selling out its voters.

Still waiting for someone to tell us who has been politicised by Geldof and how this politicisation manifests itself.
 
fishfingerer said:
The greens had their time in government in germany and achieved absolutely fuck all except for selling out its voters.
The Germany Green Party is a separate political party to the Green Party (England and Wales), so in the context of the UK it is completely irrelevant.
 
lightsoutlondon said:
Vote Green?

ROTFLMAO!
I have had a brief look at your posts on u75 so far but can't see any 'political' posts. Out of interest do you have any kind of political preferences or beliefs or are you just a cynical nihilist or doesn't give a fuck about anything?
 
TeeJay said:
The Germany Green Party is a separate political party to the Green Party (England and Wales), so in the context of the UK it is completely irrelevant.
So who should germans vote for? Or is the mission to make poverty history something only UK voters, shepherded by Geldof, can achieve? If any party with a serious programme to eradicate poverty ever came to power, there'd probably be a right wing coup after a few days.
 
Bob was good with the Boomtown rats, after that he did all his good work with Africa and other charities, I heard some of his solo stuff a while back and it was shite, carry on campaigning Bobby boy and do us a favour and put yer guitar away
 
TeeJay said:
are you just a cynical nihilist or doesn't give a fuck about anything?

The last part of your question tells me all I need to know about entering into a debate with you.

I have strong political beliefs. I just don't give a fuck what you may or may not think about them.

I'm not really up for adding more wear and tear to my keyboard answering your loaded question.

Hope that helps.



:)
 
fishfingerer said:
So who should germans vote for? Or is the mission to make poverty history something only UK voters, shepherded by Geldof, can achieve? If any party with a serious programme to eradicate poverty ever came to power, there'd probably be a right wing coup after a few days.

The "mission to make poverty history," eh? Do you always think in advertizing cliches?
 
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