fishfingerer
sultan of cringe
Who's going to buy cakes made of Martin and Rat.Zoë Herself said:It's The Poor to you. Anyway, I've been baking anti-poverty cakes since 4am this morning, listening to coldplay and geldof.
Who's going to buy cakes made of Martin and Rat.Zoë Herself said:It's The Poor to you. Anyway, I've been baking anti-poverty cakes since 4am this morning, listening to coldplay and geldof.
Please explain.lightsoutlondon said:Fair. Trade. Oxymoron.
Hi-ASL said:That's a fair assessment, fishy fingers. I note you've reversed my #1 and #2 positions though - a timeless argument.
(Starts singing) Toooommmmy gunnnnn...
Maggot said:Please explain.
Just to reiterate, Geldof was claiming that the Rats were in the top 10 groups of the era, all genres, not punk specifically.hammerntongues said:bollocks , no way
The Rejects were not Punks , but then again neither were Sham or The Boomtown Rats but lets not start on that one shall we.
Thanks. It was quite a shock to the system to realise that a system based on surplus value accumulation wouldn't mean an equal distribution of wealth, and that the "trickle down effect" doesn't work. Who'd have thunk it?lightsoutlondon said:Yuss.
Allow me to comfort you in your hour of need and disillusionment.![]()

lightsoutlondon said:Profit/economic rent. The exploitation of labour. The maximisation of return on capital by one or both or all parties to any one specific trade/transaction.
bluestreak said:unfairly traded MPH wristbands!

Zoë Herself said:That's ok, it was a necessary evil to promote the wider cause![]()
Zoë Herself said:Thanks. It was quite a shock to the system to realise that a system based on surplus value accumulation wouldn't mean an equal distribution of wealth, and that the "trickle down effect" doesn't work. Who'd have thunk it?![]()

lightsoutlondon said:What was it Lou Reed said on the New York album?
"Another rock singer who has a direct line to God? ", or similar. Reed was singing about Bono, I believe.
This article describes how MPH audited its suppliers, found problems and worked towards sorting out these problems. In fact it shows MPH in a brilliant light - how to engage with companies in China in a way that actually pushes them towards improvements.fishfingerer said:
I can't think of what these people have called for apart from the first two beng involved with specific Mexican and Nigeria campaigns and the third having written a trendy book. I can't see how the first two would have promoted many people to political engagement outside of their specific campaigns and the third is a feeble example of trendy anti-cap. bandwagon jumping. Pathetic.fishfingerer said:Sub Commandante Marcos, Ken Saro Wiwa, and Naomi Klein I suppose would be amongst the most famous examples of specific individuals who may have genuinely politicised people.
They won't be laughing if everyone starts voting for the Green Party or Respect you stupid fucking mug.fishfingerer said:Maybe, maybe not, but how have they been politicised as a result of MPH? And what do they think of Geldof's grand plan to force our leaders to deal with poverty; ie people should simply vote for someone else. The great and good must be laughing their arses off at him behind his back the stupid fucking mug.
I will, but only at the liberals.TeeJay said:They won't be laughing if everyone starts voting for the Green Party or Respect you stupid fucking mug.
Odd then, that the problems continue to worsen.TeeJay said:The fact that hunger and disease has not been eliminated from the world does not mean that the work of NGOs and charities does not good whatsoever. In fact their actions save a lot of lives and help a lot of people avoid a lot of misery.
The result? More loans going to various third world states, given on the condition that they further fuck over the working classes of those states. Go Geldof, go!It might be second best to proper government action and widespread reforms but it is something that private individuals can contribute independently from government. More recently Live8 and MPH have addressed a range of political issues and asked for political pressure and engagement not for more money.
That's not sectarianism, it's honesty. If I thought that MPH was useful, I'd agree with it, so I would agree with the political position of the MPH campaign.You seem to suffer from the sectarian disease of claiming that anyone who doesn't subscribe to your exact political position on anything is automatically useless and won't achieve anything.
As fun as it may be for you to assign opinions to people that they don't and have never held, it's neither useful nor good debating practise, just thought you should know.While it might be true in your view that your preferred solution (global class-struggle anarchist revolution maybe?) is best, this doesn't mean that anything that isn't equally radical doesn't actually impact positively on people's lives and will do an immense amount of good in the world while people wait around for you to launch your revolutionary front.
No, I don't. I just don't believe that most of what is done by the lefty milleu is useful or relevant (so why bother?bluestreak said:IB, genuine question and one that is now off topic, you don't believe any form of activism that won't directly lead to revolution, and you believe that anything short of revolution isn't worth doing so why bother.
)pk said:"Does anyone really need another self-righteous rock singer,
whose nose he says has led him straight to God"
I believe he was singing about himself.

The greens had their time in government in germany and achieved absolutely fuck all except for selling out its voters.TeeJay said:They won't be laughing if everyone starts voting for the Green Party or Respect you stupid fucking mug.
The Germany Green Party is a separate political party to the Green Party (England and Wales), so in the context of the UK it is completely irrelevant.fishfingerer said:The greens had their time in government in germany and achieved absolutely fuck all except for selling out its voters.
I have had a brief look at your posts on u75 so far but can't see any 'political' posts. Out of interest do you have any kind of political preferences or beliefs or are you just a cynical nihilist or doesn't give a fuck about anything?lightsoutlondon said:Vote Green?
ROTFLMAO!
Nazi.TeeJay said:I have had a brief look at your posts on u75
So who should germans vote for? Or is the mission to make poverty history something only UK voters, shepherded by Geldof, can achieve? If any party with a serious programme to eradicate poverty ever came to power, there'd probably be a right wing coup after a few days.TeeJay said:The Germany Green Party is a separate political party to the Green Party (England and Wales), so in the context of the UK it is completely irrelevant.
TeeJay said:are you just a cynical nihilist or doesn't give a fuck about anything?

fishfingerer said:So who should germans vote for? Or is the mission to make poverty history something only UK voters, shepherded by Geldof, can achieve? If any party with a serious programme to eradicate poverty ever came to power, there'd probably be a right wing coup after a few days.