butchersapron
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The liberal wrecking ball picks up speed...
Geert Wilders banned from entering the UK
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danny la rouge
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No; stupid post.
How is preventing hate speech a liberal ideology?
butchersapron
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That's it's ideology in real life in a nutshell as it goes - define something as hate speech then ban it from above for the good of society.
(and of course, we've needed no trial here, we've needed no accountability, nothing, just some labour MP deciding it. Marvellous.)
danny la rouge
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It's very much one. Because they have cotton wool for brains and can't see what's coming next.
danny la rouge
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That's Hate Speech.
bluestreak
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And made me guilty of Hate Thought.
Look people, it's really very simple. This may seem like a good thing when you personally don't agree with the person in question, but if you think about it, it means that they can, with no accountability or discussion, prevent anyone they like from entering the country. If the only people allowed in are those whose opinions are acceptable to people like Jacquie Smith, we're all in the deep shit, yes?
danny la rouge
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Yes.
I've thought about it a bit more and I think banning him from entering the country is going too far, though I still don't think he should be allowed to speak in parliament and I am disappointed but not surprised at the UKIP peer inviting him. I understand the argument that once someone is allowed to arbitrarily judge what is and what is not hate speech then that could lead down a dark path where criticism of New Labour is consider hate speech. My problem is with Geert Wilders, I think there is room for honest non-sensationalist discussion about extremism and Islam and his inflammatory "lets put 9/11 and 7/7 to verses from the Koran" bullshit is extremely unhelpful.
butchersapron
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Goodman thedave.
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Of course, it's wrong that he shouldn't be allowed in (didn't they let Mugabe in?), but it's certainly ironic that a vehement anti-immigration bigot is having trouble with immigration.
danny la rouge
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butchersapron
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No platformed by the state. Jim, you're losing the plot recently.
danny la rouge
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Free speech is free speech.
Ends.
That, of course, doesn't mean that the student newspaper you (hypothetically) run has to give free column inches to holocaust deniers. It just means that the state should not be regulating what can and can't be said.
Jim, you better hope you are never on the receiving end of legislation like this eh? Although I do wonder what the difference is between you and him in some regards. Wilders wants to ban the Koran, and you want to ban him from saying he wants to ban the Koran etc.
I presume Jacqui Smith will now decide who to censor, who is a fascist, and that will be fine with you?
I find people like you, and the Lib Dem and Labour MPs backing this move far more worrying then some Dutch neo-con who would have sooner been left to fade into obscurity had he not been turned into some sort of Martyr for the right.
I've now taken the time to watch this Fitna thing. To be honest it came across as some crap internet movie of which there are a plethora out there. If we are banning people for drivel like this, then there are thousands of others you better be going on a witch hunt for.
taffboy gwyrdd
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I have mixed feelings about this. I am certainly disappointed that UKIP were screening the film. They go to some effort to say they are not bigots and in fairness they can pull votes away from the nazis.
On the other hand this looks like a clear Freedom of Speech issue, he may have been charged in the Netherlands and if he incites hatred here he should be charged here too. But he hasnt.
Home Office judged him "a sufficiently serious threat to the fundemental interests of society" which sounds a bit far fetched for a loon with a film.
I wonder if the Home Office themselves should be disbanded on the same grounds seeing as they want to treat us all worse than sex criminals for their databases.
If this guy had come over no one would have noticed. As it is, it will be a cause celebre for the bigots. Does make you wonder what goes on in peoples heads.
On the other hand this looks like a clear Freedom of Speech issue, he may have been charged in the Netherlands and if he incites hatred here he should be charged here too. But he hasnt.
Home Office judged him "a sufficiently serious threat to the fundemental interests of society" which sounds a bit far fetched for a loon with a film.
I wonder if the Home Office themselves should be disbanded on the same grounds seeing as they want to treat us all worse than sex criminals for their databases.
If this guy had come over no one would have noticed. As it is, it will be a cause celebre for the bigots. Does make you wonder what goes on in peoples heads.
butchersapron
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Oh my god, all your words about sstate encroachment and you have 'mixed feelings'? Priceless
taffboy gwyrdd
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Mixed feelings because Im suprised and disappointed at UKIP hosting him.
Your inability to digest simple points is, as ever...er...priceless.
danny la rouge
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Why does that give you mixed feelings?
butchersapron
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Not mixed feelings about being denied entry then, which after all, was the point of the thread -and so presumably what your opening conrext free 'this' referred to.
It gets better, you had hopes of UKIP did you? Have they been dashed upon the rocks? Where now?
Spion
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As long as the bosses state exists it'll always find an excuse for barring those it dislikes from entering. The only thing that'd have any chance of stopping the state controlling its borders exactly as it chooses would be mass action. And I can't see this happening ove this piece of filth.
taffboy gwyrdd
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Butchers
"not mixed feelings about being denied entry then"
That would have required you reading a fairly short thread to digest. I dont see the justification and it is clearly counterproductive
"which after all, was the point of the thread -and so presumably what your opening conrext free 'this' referred to."
Depends if you could be arsed to read past the 6 words.
I said I had mixed feelings and then I said why. I dont have mixed feelings on freedom of speech. I would like to say how suprising it is that you are going for red herring arguments. Im unable to though.
"It gets better, you had hopes of UKIP did you? Have they been dashed upon the rocks? Where now?"
Not exactly hopes but I didnt think they were as dominated by bigots as to allow this sort of thing to happen. Believe it or not as many UKIPers Ive met come from a left tradition as from a right one. ETA: Or at least CLAIM to.
"not mixed feelings about being denied entry then"
That would have required you reading a fairly short thread to digest. I dont see the justification and it is clearly counterproductive
"which after all, was the point of the thread -and so presumably what your opening conrext free 'this' referred to."
Depends if you could be arsed to read past the 6 words.
I said I had mixed feelings and then I said why. I dont have mixed feelings on freedom of speech. I would like to say how suprising it is that you are going for red herring arguments. Im unable to though.
"It gets better, you had hopes of UKIP did you? Have they been dashed upon the rocks? Where now?"
Not exactly hopes but I didnt think they were as dominated by bigots as to allow this sort of thing to happen. Believe it or not as many UKIPers Ive met come from a left tradition as from a right one. ETA: Or at least CLAIM to.
butchersapron
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Have you been sneaking into the kiddies SU bar again?
taffboy gwyrdd
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Have you been raiding the Bill Hicks jokes cabinet again?
Anyone can do vapid slagging off. Exhibit A could be your dear self
butchersapron
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Bill Hicks? I knew Bill Hicks and, taffboy, i'm no Bill Hicks.
If by vapid you mean making an argument and supporting it then yes, you'd make an excellent courtroom lawyer. If not...
If by vapid you mean making an argument and supporting it then yes, you'd make an excellent courtroom lawyer. If not...
Dont upset the applecart
All book critics are nasty? ,if you dont like a book dont' say a word about it ?if you dont like a cartoon kill a few people, if you dont like your neigbour blow him up? The people of this country freedoms are beening controled by outside forces' no longer democractic? is the Koran a holy book or a {fasicism} hand book? you can read it to find out , I agree with geert Wilders he is right, my freedom to say what is what is NOT stopped by a few brainwashed mullahs.
All book critics are nasty? ,if you dont like a book dont' say a word about it ?if you dont like a cartoon kill a few people, if you dont like your neigbour blow him up? The people of this country freedoms are beening controled by outside forces' no longer democractic? is the Koran a holy book or a {fasicism} hand book? you can read it to find out , I agree with geert Wilders he is right, my freedom to say what is what is NOT stopped by a few brainwashed mullahs.
danny la rouge
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Ooh, good. A live one.
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