Gaza under attack yet again.

Discussion in 'world politics, current affairs and news' started by Mr.Bishie, Jul 8, 2014.

  1. Mr.Bishie

    Mr.Bishie Well-Known Member - lots of upto date info in news feed.

    Israeli Op Protective Edge: Twenty three Palestinians have been killed since yesterday. Many many injuries. Israeli Navy on offensive plus many air strikes from F-16s.

    Netanyahu (not confirmed) preparing IDF for full scale ground offensive.

    ffs :(
    Last edited: Jul 8, 2014
  2. Nylock

    Nylock I hate 'these days'...

  3. Mr.Bishie

    Mr.Bishie Well-Known Member

  4. Mr.Bishie

    Mr.Bishie Well-Known Member

  5. Nylock

    Nylock I hate 'these days'...

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  6. laptop

    laptop Freudenschade

    Any fucking excuse to prevent a deal and keep the war at just the temperature the IDF likes it...
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  7. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Starry Wisdom

  8. laptop

    laptop Freudenschade

    Oh well.

    No two-state solution, then. Finished now.

    Which leaves the one-state solution option.

    And an anti-apartheid struggle therein.

    For about 40 years :(
  9. 8115

    8115 sitting down is bad for you

    Very sad news.
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  10. Mr.Bishie

    Mr.Bishie Well-Known Member

    160 military strikes overnight - 28 dead & more than 150 injured.

    Ground troops massing on border. The IDF posting a photo online this morning stating they now have 'proof' that Hamas are firing rockets from civilian areas & using citizens as human shields. As if they needed such proof to bomb children.
  11. teqniq

    teqniq DisMembered

    grim. :(
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  12. purenarcotic

    purenarcotic Conveniently Pocket Sized

    Heart breaking. What a waste of life. :(
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  13. Johnny Canuck3

    Johnny Canuck3 Well-Known Member

    What's actually happening there: is this business about Hamas rocket strikes a pack of lies? Are there any rocket attacks launched by Hamas; or is it all made up?

    I wonder what it is that motivates the Israelis to do these things: are they just evil people? Are they devils?
  14. teqniq

    teqniq DisMembered

    I think you already know the answer to that, but just in case you don't yes of course there are rockets though they are completely ineffectual.

    No but a significant proportion are racists.

    Israeli lawmaker’s call for genocide of Palestinians gets thousands of Facebook likes
  15. TomUS

    TomUS non-resident

    They're going to invade again. Don't get what Bibi expects to get from this ghastly spectical.
  16. Johnny Canuck3

    Johnny Canuck3 Well-Known Member

    But racism combined with military assaults etc: isn't that the work of monsters?
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  17. teqniq

    teqniq DisMembered

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  18. J Ed

    J Ed Follow Back Pro Expropriation

    Israelis aren't uniquely evil, or devils, but they are just one of the later examples of a succession of peoples and countries which have fallen under the delusion that revenge and collective punishment of civilian populations will make them safer in the long run.
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  19. Johnny Canuck3

    Johnny Canuck3 Well-Known Member

    I suppose that if it's something that historically happens to successive groups of people - ie fall into the revenge/punishment thing, then jews in a jewish state were ripe for the error, given the 2000 year waiting period.
  20. hipipol

    hipipol Peckham Wry

    Hamas launch rockets
    No one is killed
    25 dead from Israeli attacks last night
    Mostly women and children
    Attcks launched against pretty munch the most densley packed place on Earth, the concentration camp known as Gaza
  21. IC3D

    IC3D Post Mid Arc

    Meanwhile Israel is doing major business with Egypt, Jordan, Turkey and supplying arms to Syrian rebels to fight Assad. While Hamas has lost large amounts of revenue and is politically isolated
  22. SpookyFrank

    SpookyFrank We kill the flame

    Gaza is one of the most densely populated places on Earth, everywhere is a 'civillian area'.

    Funny that the Israelis seem to always know where all these Hamas terrorists live, but never seem to be able to find these rockets before they get launched. A cynical man might think the Israelis actually wanted to leave Hamas with some desperate means of retaliation, so that they can create the illusion of fighting a fair fight rather than just shooting fish in a barrell.
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  23. Doctor Carrot

    Doctor Carrot Bear Grylls grills bare bears

    Yeah there's rockets but the response from Israel is the equivalent of me responding to you flicking my ear by smashing you in the face with sledge hammer and then kicking you in the head a few times. Not only that I have a few of my mates standing behind me actually giving me money and permission to do it whereas you have no one and you're chained to a wall.

    Zionism's a nasty, right wing ideology and nasty right wing ideologies don't tend to treat people well. Israel has descended into a nation with a complete and utter siege mentality with a 'the whole world's against us' attitude. It's now in the horrible cycle of the more they steal land, imprison civilians, kill civilians, build more illegal settlements on occupied land and so on, the more the world turns against them, the more they get a 'the whole world's against us' attitude so they more they do the above mentioned things to try to bolster their position and survive as a state. The only country who can stop it are America and they're showing no signs of doing that so this is just gonna continue.
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  24. SpookyFrank

    SpookyFrank We kill the flame

    I'd say a genuinely evil elite class has had too much power for too long, to the point where they've been able to sculpt the entire national consciousness in their own image. I don't believe an entire nation can simply turn evil, but if enough of them can be convinced to justify evil acts then the effect is basically the same.
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  25. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Hardly getting over it.

    Just to re-state, as I seem to have to every time that the state of Israel decides to play whack-a-mole in Gaza, that the much-touted "rockets" are mostly home-made from pressurised gas containers, have small payloads due to using home-made fuel in the propulsion system, and have no guidance systems. They're targeted using basic trigonometry, and are therefore subject to wind-drift and other factors so that even when they're aimed at population centres, they hardly ever reach them, and when they do, most of them can't punch through the reinforced concrete roofs of a lot of housing. These "rockets" are glorified mortar shells.
    And while I'm sure that someone will trot out the claims that HAMAS are developing new and more powerful rockets, bear in mind that the same spiel was trotted out during and after "Cast Lead", and the "new and improved rockets" haven't appeared on the scene.
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  26. Johnny Canuck3

    Johnny Canuck3 Well-Known Member

    I don't think it descended there, I think Israel came into existence with that mentality.
  27. Johnny Canuck3

    Johnny Canuck3 Well-Known Member

    Pretty much every other rebel organization, jihadist, freedom fighter etc etc, is able to buy modern weapons on the black market, or from countries like North Korea.

    Why is Hamas unable to purchase a half-decent rocket?
  28. peterkro

    peterkro Greasin' on American Express card.

    Because Gaza and the West Bank are isolated from the rest of the world by Israel and the military dictatorship in Egypt.They have a few Iranian missiles but essentially are lobbing explosives that are manufactured in what passes for a metal shop in Gaza.
  29. DotCommunist

    DotCommunist slowtime

    the much touted faj-5 that could reach Tel Aviv (where anybody they give a shit about lives). Where did they get to eh?
  30. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Hardly getting over it.

    Because Gaza is a ghetto. It's surrounded on all sides by extremely expensive surveillance and interdiction operatives and equipment. It's hard enough for people to smuggle in the gas bottles used, and enough food and medicine to make sure that if the IDF decides to shut the gates then people don't starve or die of needless infections etc, let alone smuggling in parts of, or even entire missiles.

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