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rachamim18 said:
Garfield: First of all, ALL people are inherently biased . Even if I did not know that you have consistently spoken out for the Arabs and their causes, simply that you are human dictates that any subjective picture you offer is going to be bent. This is why I hesitate to try and prove a point by saying, "I saw," etc.

This most definitely applies to photographers as well. By choosing subject matter you choose what your viewership will see. They do not have the option of course to pick images , or better yet see panoramically. Maybe that old Arab man crying in the olive grove in front of the D9 is not crying cause the IDF is dozing his grove but because the IDF just saved him from paying baksheesh to the neighbourhood "cell." Your photo will not tell any story but the one you offer as a caption [if one is offered]. The implications, if no caption is offered, can be anything but will tend to be one way.

I would love to meet you when you are coming. I will hopefully still be here. My wife is trying to get me to commit to moving to her homeland. If I am not here though I will make one or both of my sons available so that you might see our side of things.

look forward to it will let you know nearer the time...
 
Garfiled: Great, with my luck I'll be in the Philippines but my sons and daughter are there for sure if you come within the next year.

Tapthescreen: So this is what they mean by troll?
 
rachamim18 said:
Garfiled: Great, with my luck I'll be in the Philippines but my sons and daughter are there for sure if you come within the next year.
ok you gonna warn them that i'm a photographer right :D

always happy to portray all sides as the lens see's it no garnish no embelishment no agenda.
 
Garfield: Of course. Try if you can to get a press pass and I or my sons might be able to take you out in the field [if the liason's office is not to snippety].
 
Nino: As others have already told you here, cranial dimensions ARE one way that physical anthropologists determine race. Skin color has NOTHING to do with race, and Jews are not a race anyway. So, other than being contrary, why are you starting this nonsense again? The Lemba, like most other Jews by birth have the Y chromosome at issue. They are as Jewish as I am.

Can't you even reply without lying? No, it would seem that you are incapable of anything resembling the truth.

The use of cranial dimensions, together with your use of the words "determining race" continue to point to one thing: your ethno-centricism. The concept of race is as spurious as the cranial dimensions you insist are valid. Race is a construct. In this instance (using you as an example) it has been constructed to justify your notions of soi-disant 'racial' superiority over other ethnic groups as well as being a means to justify continued brutality towards those whom you regard as racial inferiors. IIRC, Jabotinsky and latterly, Meir Kahane, espoused the sort of things you constantly spout on these boards. neither of them were anything less than racist.

Here's an article for you to either ignore or dismiss.
http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,56101,00.html
 
Nino: Kahane was very much a prejudiced individual. He was not racist since he , like the Arabs he hated , are both Semites. Other than that sort of correct statement, your post is nonsense.


One thing in general that I wish to add. Now mainstream media is reporting the same sludge yet in each article or report I see, not one shred of prrof is offered. Just recylced second [at best] hand information. Alot even acknoledge the humanitarian AID in the sane pieces! Pure propaganda.
 
rachamim18 said:
Nino: Kahane was very much a prejudiced individual. He was not racist since he , like the Arabs he hated , are both Semites. Other than that sort of correct statement, your post is nonsense.


One thing in general that I wish to add. Now mainstream media is reporting the same sludge yet in each article or report I see, not one shred of prrof is offered. Just recylced second [at best] hand information. Alot even acknoledge the humanitarian AID in the sane pieces! Pure propaganda.

Kahane's ethnicity is irrelevant to the fact that he was a blatant racist....or are you telling me that Jews (and Arabs) can't be racist because of their Semitism? Hogwash.
 
2 potatoes and an aubergine make a meal for a family of 11.

Though she wasn't expecting visitors, Itidal al-Nazli, 35, was happy to display the sparse contents of her refrigerator. Despite the daily and lengthy interruptions to electricity supply since the Israelis bombed Gaza's only power station in early July, it's where she still stores the more perishable food for her family of 10 children. Yesterday morning, after the family had breakfasted on two large potatoes and an aubergine donated by a kindly neighbour, it contained six rather shrivelled peppers, a bag of coffee, three olives in a bowl, a bag of charcoal, and three bags containing crusts of bread.
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article1603672.ece
 
Barking_Mad said:
Israel seeks nothing less than the destruction and removal of the Palestinain people. Evil, evil fuckers. :mad:



http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article1372026.ece

To hear 'Israel' named as seeking the destruction of the Palestinians hurts me to the core.

It's Zionism, not 'Israel' who are responsible for these atrocities - and Zionism is not a core tenet of Judaism or the People of Israel as a religion.
'Israel' is the collective name for the worldwide community of Jews.

I'm in anguish daily because of the misapplication of 'Israel' as the perpetrator of the atrocities meted out daily against Gazans and Palestinian West Bank (what's left of Samaria).

Zionist politics, both Jewish and Christian - these are the ones seeking to expand into the Palestinian occupied territories; who flaunt International Law; who abuse the tenets of Judaism, Christianity ,and Islam; who deny Arab Christians their homes and livlihoods whilst Bush's America allows American Christians and Jews to build real-estate on occupied land in violation of International law; who use Monsanto pesticides to lay waste to Bedouin crops; who deny Bedouin their traditional homeland; who try to force them from their pastures and farmland into state-built cities in industrial areas full of harmful environmental pollutants; who deny Palestinians their fishing rights, who stole Orange Groves of Jaffa from the Islamic families who had farmed the for generations, who demolish houses on unsubstantiated evidence, whose children are drawn into a war of 'purification' of Palestinian refugee camps, who, as undercover Arabised agents, turn non-violent joint Arab-Israeli demonstrations into terrifying, whose charities fund illegal house building, whose Govt. Organisations demolish 'illegal' Palestinian houses; who have denied Israeli Jewish peace groups a voice in the US FOR YEARS; who have turned back joint Arab-Israeli aid at the checkpoints FOR YEARS; who turn plastic bullets and sonic attack upon joint Arab-Israeli Peace Groups FOR YEARS; who have called Israeli Jews who have compassion and try to petition their Govt. about the oppression and occupation FOR YEARS.

'Pharoah', Pontius Pilate's Roman rule, and Zionism are all practising the same terror-tactics.
25% of the population of Ariel is made up of Evangelical American Christians, yet in Bethlehem, Arab Christians are denied their long-held land and livlihoods as Palestinian Muslims.

Religion is being used as an 'excuse' to put their Wisconsin Pharoah on the throne.
It's not Holy War. It's just War.

Immigrant Jews/Israelis are being used as Human Shields and slaves to fund this genocidal expansion.

The UK must send political support and make the way for funds to bypass these wicked plans to Palestinians and Israelis out of this Fordian trap.
 
tangentlama said:
It's Zionism, not 'Israel' who are responsible for these atrocities - and Zionism is not a core tenet of Judaism or the People of Israel as a religion. 'Israel' is the collective name for the worldwide community of Jews.

Perhaps it's time to accept the terminology has changed? "Israel" now means a particular racially-based apartheid nation in a section of former Palestine that claims to speak for Jewish people worldwide, who allows the right to settle to Jewish people worldwide (or to anyone who can claim a Jewish great-granny at least) and which oppresses arab Palestinians. Perhaps non-Zionist Jews should start by rejecting the claim Israel makes on them? (as you do)

It could be that racially / culturally / religiously based claims (like there _is_ a 'worldwide Jewish community, much like there _is_ an Umma) might be part of the problem, not part of the solution?
 
There is a requirement to be tolerant of, and continue freedoms granted to practise international religions, whose adherents live in different nations and cultures, and also to prevent the political state from exploiting the revolution of the mind and reformist personal transformation which religions are capable of inspiring.

As to whether worldwide religious brotherhood/communities are part of the problem or the solution, then please see my post in the anti-zionist thread, where I tend to disagree with your summisation that a worldwide religious community (Israel before the 'state of Israel' and the Ummah concept and the sects making up 'Christendom') is 'part of the problem', rather than the solution Attempting to cram the members of these groups into specific areas would be part of the problem, imo

'"Israel" now means a particular racially-based apartheid nation in a section of former Palestine that claims to speak for Jewish people worldwide, who allows the right to settle to Jewish people worldwide (or to anyone who can claim a Jewish great-granny at least) and which oppresses arab Palestinians. Perhaps non-Zionist Jews should start by rejecting the claim Israel makes on them? (as you do)
Worldwide community support and the illegal immigrant occupiers and illegally planned real estate in Palestine needs urgent attention to remove them - there are great movements to bring the settlers to dwell within Israel's borders, but US Govt. and Zionist Politicians don't support this worldwide movement, however there are plenty of organisations who are working towards this, even if the Govt. and the Military Chiefs (IDF) put the kibosh on these movements.

Worldwide Zionist groups also put the kibosh on these movements, spending a great deal of smear and shmuckism on denouncing the Jews who do speak out as 'not real jews'.

http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en
http://ga3.org/campaign/ceasefire?qp_source=blog_leb_slvrstn (34,000 American Jews strong)
http://www.icahduk.org
http://www.bustan.org
http://www.jfjfp.org
http://www.ejjp.org/
 
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