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Gavin Roses Contract expires end of July

Discussion in 'Dulwich Hamlet FC' started by Lucy Fur, May 2, 2017.

  1. Lucy Fur

    Lucy Fur Well-Known Member

  2. clog

    clog have that you c

  3. Scolly

    Scolly Well-Known Member

    ........... now what do you think our, fully committed to the future of this club, owners are going to do with the budget?
     
  4. cambelt

    cambelt Well-Known Member

    Was bound to happen at some time. They don't want to own a football club do they, they want to build on a football club.
     
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  5. YTC

    YTC Human Man

    A totally ludicrous position to take on budgeting toward a football club with such buoyancy and high profile in the press/online.

    It's almost as if the owners ARE ONLY INTERESTED IN THE LAND THE CLUB SITS ON.
     
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  6. Moroccan Sunset

    Moroccan Sunset Well-Known Member

    From what I understand, Hadleys were far more co-operative than Meadows. These guys have no interest in the club at all.

    I can only really see this ending one way. They're not going to develop a sense of generosity and patience in the next couple of nights.
     
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  7. Scolly

    Scolly Well-Known Member

    Article on Gavin that appeared in a national newspaper yesterday.


    FUTURE LOOKS ROSY

    Meet Gavin Rose, Dulwich Hamlet boss and best mate of Rio Ferdinand who has moved 35 players into professional clubs.


    Dulwich Hamlet face Bognor Regis Town today in the Ryman League play-off final and boss Gavin Rose looks to take one step closer to his dream of managing in the Football League

    DULWICH Hamlet face Bognor Regis Town today in the Ryman League play-off final, with a place in the Conference South the prize.

    Dulwich Hamlet boss Gavin Rose looks to take a step closer to the Football League in Ryman League play-off final today

    He’s best mates with Rio Ferdinand, and through his Aspire Academy has moved 35 players into the professional game.

    It’s not just about player development in this affluent London post code, it’s also about instilling the importance of being better members of the community.

    Rose, who is now the longest serving Hamlet boss, unusually takes regular training sessions on a Monday morning.

    Rose said: “These boys are from the local community and they love football, some have been in the professional game as young lads and they have come out and not adjusted to the fact that football might not be able to provide for them long-term.

    “Some have not thought about alternative careers, some of them do have jobs and others have come though the academy, so the natural next step is to be working with the first team.

    “We set up the Aspire Academy because we knew there was a gap, and there are a lot of kids that want to play football, and when they didn’t play, they were lost in society.

    “If you can give these kids a chance to do what they love doing, it will help them on and off the pitch, mentally because they have that freedom of doing what they want to do, and that bit of inspiration to push forward with their lives as well.”

    Rose has been friends with former England and Man U defender Rio from when they were both kids growing up in Peckham. Ferdinand is a huge supporter of the academy, set up by Rose and his first team assistant, Junior Kadi.

    Rose added:”Rio is always mindful that he doesn’t want to take the attention away from the work we do.

    “He doesn’t try and jump in and make it about himself, but he loves to help as and when he can.

    “He always shows support, he’s been to a few games in the last few years, he even trained with the boys just to show that moral support.

    “He was sponsored by Nike and he gave us a truck load of kit for the academy.
    “These are things that always help, we are coming from an area where football kit is not easy to come by.

    “He’s from the area, so the boys can look at him and say, ‘Yeah, he’s come from the same place as us’. Rose continued: “Last year he trained with us, watched games and came into the dressing before and after games.

    “He came down, he was humble, he can talk their language and they thought it was a great experience. “But it’s different for me, because he’s a family friend. But I have to remember for other people who he is and what he has done in the game, it not the normal for someone like that to show support.

    Dulwich Hamlet squad is largely made up of young players who came through Aspire Academy

    “Rio identifies with what we are trying to do, he’s been watching games from the stand and can see what we’re working on with the players, and that’s great feedback for us to know we are doing things in the right way.”

    The 39-year-old boss has witnessed at first hand the hard work, dedication and sacrifice Ferdinand made to get to the top of the game.

    However, Rose who had spells as a youngster with QPR and Wimbledon, sees too many kids who want the money and trappings of the game, but are not willing to put in the work required.

    Rose continued:"There's a lack of realisation with the current climate of boys coming through generally in England.

    "What myself and my coaching staff are seeing is the process of getting yourself to become a top player is missing, I'm talking about the hard work, the maintenance in terms of looking after your body and preparation for games.

    "It's not as interesting or glamorous, and that's the reason why some boys who have the potential to be another Rio Ferdinand are literally stopping themselves, because they are not prepared to put the time and effort in.

    Watch joker Rio Ferdinand hilariously prank Robbie Savage with a fake snake
    "We try and encourage them and bridge the gap and try and force them to do the right things and hope they pick up the correct habits by doing them in our environment."

    Former Crystal Palace boss Alan Pardew and Stoke striker Peter Crouch have donned the Hamlets Blue and Pink in days gone by.

    Rose has seen his players move on and return to the club with shocking stories of poor treatment from coaches that left an indelible mark on the youngsters.

    He added:"Stories of lads who come back to us from the pro game who have been scarred by the experiences, for example being told by coaching staff and seniors players they will never make it.

    "We have a few lads that have left us and gone on to professional football, Daniel Carr (Huddersfield) has just returned from loan at Leatherhead.

    "Michael Chambers and Quade Taylor both spent over three years at Crystal Palace and now they find themselves back with us.

    Rose has ambitions of managing at the highest level possible with or without Dulwich Hamlet

    "Why are they back with us? They would say they didn't get the right opportunities or career development, but I would say that within themselves they need to be more professional.

    "They don't always get a lot of feedback from the professional coaches, they will be left to their own thought processes about why it didn't happen for them.
    "With us they have had to look in the mirror a bit more, which is a painful process but now they know if they do certain things and take responsibility, then they have a chance."


    Crowds at Champion Hill were stuck at around 150 when Rose took over eight years ago, but last week's 4-2 play-off semi-final win against Enfield Town drew a crowd of over 2,500.

    Rose added:"The club have bought into what we are doing, there wasn't much attention on us at the start.
    "There was a gratitude we were supplying young boys from the academy straight into the first team on a really low budget.

    "Not a lot knew or understood about the academy workings on a daily basis, but they know the end product is a young 17/18 year old boy who is ready to play in the first team."

    Despite recent success, the club's longest serving manager has ambitions of progressing, and eventually working in the Football League.

    "Our aspirations are to manage at the highest level possible, with or without Dulwich, so it's an expectation we want and embrace," Rose said.
    "We have been here for eight seasons and we have been good servants for the club and if an opportunity came along that was worth taking,we would definitely look at it.

    "No one could question the service we have given the club and we are not in a rush to get out of here at the same time, we are happy to continue with the challenge of progressing the club."

    So Rose and his coaching staff want to work at the highest level, which brings us on to the debate about the opportunities given, or perhaps not, to black managers.

    That pair consists of Keith Curle at Carlisle and Chris Hughton, who has guided Brighton to the top flight for the first time since 1983.
    Rose acknowledges there are barriers, but wants any aspiring black coach, regardless of level, to keep working and pushing for their chance.

    The Dulwich boss said: "Just because you have a big name and you played at a high level doesn't mean you should automatically get a job.
    "But their white counterparts are and that is something unfortunately black people have grown up with.
    "But I still think you should think about your own merits and not worry about what the others are doing.
    "Have I got the badges? Am I skilled up enough and if not, that is the first thing you need to look at.
    "I always think you should look at yourself first and then complain.
    "I think to complain first because someone else has the job is immature

    "There needs to be a bit of inward looking from some black coaches, because there are plenty who have a lot to give.
    "Even if you did voluntary work, just being humble and when you have done that, then ask why am I not getting an opportunity."
     
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  8. YTC

    YTC Human Man

    From my dealings with HADLEY (edit) toward the end of their ownership, they were a fucking dream in comparison.
     
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  9. Son of Roy

    Son of Roy I know yoos beta than yoos know yooselfs

    If the budget for player wages is not maintained or increased and the team is not challenging for promotion attendances will fall. Home crowds have been larger towards the end of the last 3 seasons for this reason. Never let a manager go unless you you are sure you can get a better one. Remember what happened to West Ham when they let Rednapp go. Remember what happened to Charlton when they let Curbishly go. Remember the years of glory before Gavin?There were none!
     
  10. Moroccan Sunset

    Moroccan Sunset Well-Known Member

    I assume you mean Hadleys?
     
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  11. Monkeygrinder's Organ

    Monkeygrinder's Organ Domination Snert

    Well yeah but unfortunately the issue here is whether the people making the decision give a shit. It's not about thinking they can get a better manager in. :(
     
  12. YTC

    YTC Human Man

    100%, meadows on the angry mind.
     
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  13. B.I.G

    B.I.G Well-Known Member

    How to we pressure Meadows? I'm certainly not giving them season ticket money and its relatively simple to stand outside and protest if they mess it up entirely.

    Could even be more enjoyable than behind the goal.
     
  14. YTC

    YTC Human Man

    Massive protest, outside Meadows office, smoke/flags/drums/fuck'em.
     
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  15. PartisanDulwich

    PartisanDulwich Well-Known Member

    Now would be an honourable time for the owners to hand over the Club to the fans
     
  16. Cyclodunc

    Cyclodunc Where's the slam tent, mate?

    Told you he'll be at billericay next season
     
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  17. Cyclodunc

    Cyclodunc Where's the slam tent, mate?

    (Before I get pelters, that was a joke)
     
  18. Scolly

    Scolly Well-Known Member

    I we run it with what £££££

    Never going to hand it over unless their initial outlay for the club + a huge mark-up is given to them.
     
  19. Scolly

    Scolly Well-Known Member

    How can you put pressure people who don't give two hoots?
     
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  20. crocustim

    crocustim Well-Known Member

    Do we (dhst) get to see annual accounts for the club? The last two seasons must have generated some upturn in revenue.
     
  21. B.I.G

    B.I.G Well-Known Member

    Like if Gavin went we couldn't influence the Planning Inspectorate.
     
  22. Scolly

    Scolly Well-Known Member

    As far as I'm aware no. The question as been asked though.

    It would seem on paper that there should have been an upturn on revenue, but maybe the question you need to ask is to whom it's allocated / given to.

    The upkeep of the ground does cost more each year and many of the issues have been publicly stated on here, it clearly looks that a new ground is going to be needed sooner or later. So to oppose the planning permission to pressure Meadow, would in effect be shafting ourselves more.

    With planning permission it makes the club more attractive for others (who will give a shit about this club) to step in, that's when the pressure needs to be put onto Meadow to do the right thing and hand it over.
     
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  23. B.I.G

    B.I.G Well-Known Member

    You would know more than me - however, I would happily shaft Meadows if they don't do the right thing and they would lose money and I would get my Saturdays back.
     
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  24. Cyclodunc

    Cyclodunc Where's the slam tent, mate?

    What did you do before dulwich on saturdays?
     
  25. YTC

    YTC Human Man

    Rapper.
     
  26. Moroccan Sunset

    Moroccan Sunset Well-Known Member

    I'll be honest, Michael: they wouldn't give a shit if you do or don't.
     
  27. YTC

    YTC Human Man

    It would be easier for them to get planning permission if we stopped turning up, as the club would die very quickly. We'd need the opposite.
     
  28. B.I.G

    B.I.G Well-Known Member

    Not the season ticket - Meadows needs us to support the planning permission but they have a lot more to lose than I do - if at least they lose the potential to make money and I lose nothing.
     
  29. B.I.G

    B.I.G Well-Known Member

    Sleep!
     
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  30. Moroccan Sunset

    Moroccan Sunset Well-Known Member

    I can't help but think that if they wanted our support they wouldn't force the resignation of the club's popular manager.
     
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