Galloway Banned from Canada. Rejoice, Rejoice

[littlebabyjesus]

The IDF used WP munitions as terror weapons, pure and simple.

They did. And this is why I find Rachamin preferable to Zachor on this. I'm fairly sure that if Rach were here now, he would be defending the bombing on just those terms – terrorising ordinary Palestinians into submission. Taken on their terms, I think this is a crazy, counterproductive tactic, but at least the argument could be had on a level that corresponds even a little bit to reality.

 

[weltweit]

They did. And this is why I find Rachamin preferable to Zachor on this. I'm fairly sure that if Rach were here now, he would be defending the bombing on just those terms – terrorising ordinary Palestinians into submission. Taken on their terms, I think this is a crazy, counterproductive tactic, but at least the argument could be had on a level that corresponds even a little bit to reality.

Where is Rachamin? did he go away or get permabanned or something?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Permabanned.

 

[Roadkill]

Apologies for only the Sun linky so far but this is great news. Now if only we can put either a) put the scumbag on trial for treason or sedition over here or b) pack him off to a dictatorial regime thats more of his own liking.
...

Galloway, Galloway, Galloway...

You're obsessed!

 

[Zachor]

Who decides whether someone is or isn't a member or supporter of HAMAS?
You see, with a little spin, the IDF press office was able to spin the killing of civvies as the termination of HAMAS members.

As for your "sadly" point, you don't really give a fuck, and most of us know it. If you did care, you'd be able to bring yourself to actually assess the Gaza situation from a less partisan perspective.

I look at the Gaza situation as being a humanitarian disaster brought about not by the Israelis (after all they pulled OUT of Gaza in 2005) in the main although they have made some mistakes but by Hamas. Hamas could have had peace, they could have had open borders, they could have had trade and friendship but by refusing to recognise Israel.

I think that Israel should turn its back on Gaza and the Arab West Bank and let them get on with it however that is impossible when those areas are supporting exterminationist groups like Hamas.

Both sides need to step back from the brink here.

 

[Zachor]

EVERYONE in gaza is a member or supporter of Hamas. They voted for them, therefore they all deserve to die.

Not everyone in Gaza is a supporter of Hamas. Hamas have however killed and driven out those who openly oppose its rule and everyone else is keeping their head down.

Back to the subject of Galloway. While on the Convoy of Fools it was heartening to see Galloways mob attacked by stone throwing opponents of the convoy as this convoy did contain pro Hamas elements. The Egyptians almost more than anyone else in the region know what clerical fascism is and they don't want it and forcefully told Galloway and his loons so.

 

[tarannau]

Not everyone in Gaza is a supporter of Hamas. Hamas have however killed and driven out those who openly oppose its rule and everyone else is keeping their head down.
.

This is delusional bollocks, isn't it?

 

[frogwoman]

What about Fatah members killing supporters of Hamas? works both ways you know

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I think that Israel should turn its back on Gaza and the Arab West Bank and let them get on with it however that is impossible when those areas are supporting exterminationist groups like Hamas.

How does Israel 'turn its back on Gaza'? How are the people who live in Gaza to survive? You can't just cram a load of people into a tiny strip of unproductive land and then 'turn your back' on them.

 

[belboid]

dont forget about them nicking water, just to make sure the land stays unproductive

 

[Azrael]

Galloway is a cunt, can't stand the man. But what I want to see if proof that he actually said something that was soliciting attacks on Canadian troops. There is a big difference between:

1.) I can understand why Afghans are fighting back against the Canadians in their country and...
2.) I'm encouraging and would like to help Aghans and Britons kill Canadians, get in touch and I'll fund your trip and arm you.

So where is the evidence the Canadians used against him?

Exactly. I have zero time for Mr Galloway, a grandstander who has one of the worst attendance records in Parliamentary history. But as you say, there's a difference between expressing an opinion, however vile, and trying to have soldiers killed by proxy. If the Canadians have evidence, let's see it.

 

[tarannau]

'I've heard this again' What utter drivel.

Will Zachor post up an apology for his heinous (and indeed libellous) insult of GG, or will he just skulk away and sday nothing? I wonder...

By the way Zachor, where your proof for the GG/King allegation....

 

[Marsh]

By the way Zachor, where your proof for the GG/King allegation....

Your wasting your time, the little cunt has no proof, this thread is just another example of his trolling.

I am no Galloway supporter, but Zachor's motives for banging on about Galloway have nothing to do with secularism, a distaste of fundamentalism or any concern for human life, notice his complete silence on the subject of racism in Isreali society or the fact that Jewish fundamentalist parties are set to join the incoming Israeli government.

I'm putting the worthless little prick on ignore and I would advise that everyone on Urban do the same, why waste time feeding this zionist cunt's trolling.

 

[DexterTCN]

I think Zachor has been upset by a thread elsewhere in the politics forum and is venting his spleen on Galloway; of course this is easier than responding to the public admissions of IDF members.

Louis (no fan of Galloway) MacNeice

Zach here.

I'm not after any sort of fascist state in the UK not in anyway whatsoever.

However...

Zach there.

As a democratically minded person I condemn any abuses and I hope that the Israeli govt will investigate these matters throughly and any miscreants punished.

However...

 

[treelover]

Sadly in a war civilians are inadvertantly hit or in the case of Gaza deliberately put in harms way by Hamas.

Zachor , you are becoming beyond the pale, (no pun intended) the Independent has a front page today on the evidence of Israels own military personel, please don't excuse war crimes.

 

[HackneyE9]

No I've heard this again regarding the King case. Will try to look for references.

Hmmm...all gone a bit quiet from Zachor, hasn't it?

Meanwhile, the EDITOR might want to have a look at that post, because it's a straight libel, Galloway sues at the drop of a hat, and thus it needs our learned friends call 'substantiation' (ie, proof) pdq.

 

[HackneyE9]

I'm not after any sort of fascist state in the UK not in anyway whatsoever.

However, Galloways pronouncements and his hobnobbing with and record of employment by totalitarian regimes such as Iran and Saddams Iraq and fascistic groupings such as Hamas mean that he is a danger to democracy.

If he was just a joke like many who sadly hold similar views on the Left then the problem wouldn't be so grave but this man is an MP who got into parliament by running a racist campaign againsnt the sitting MP. Galloway despite what his deluded supporters say about him is an egotistical demogogue.
Its not being fascistic to want to preserve democracy and if it means the state and the people going after Galloway then so be it.

I think even his supporters - of who I'm not one - think he's an egotistical demagogue, but you really need to back this "run a racist campaign" up or withdraw it. It's a straightoward libel.

 

[HarrisonSlade]

I have been a critic of Galloway, pretty much from day one, although I have always supported much of what he stands for.

I don't know him personally, and don't care to. His ego has always seemed to overtake his principles, but at least he does seem to have some.

It doesn't matter what I think of him, or what you think of him - the Canadian Authorities have no right to bar a man from the Canadian people's Country on the grounds that the authorities don't like his politics. That is Fascism, full stop.

But, I fear that this is probably more of a reason to bar him, as the Canadian Government prepares further ties with their North American neighbours:

 

[HarrisonSlade]

Another reason that Galloway may have been barred from Canada:

 

[shagnasty]

If being a contestant on a crap show bars him i would agree.But for reasons of his politics no .i don't agree with all he says but he has a right to his views

 

[spring-peeper]

He is taking court action against the Canadian government, but with statements like

"Canada remains a free country, and although Mr. Kenney says end of story, alas for him it's not," Mr. Galloway said in a telephone interview.

He accused Mr. Kenney of trampling free speech to make political hay, likening it to the minister's decision to cut support for the Canadian Arab Federation, whose leader called him a "professional whore who supports war."

"These are wedge issues being created by a neo-con, Bush-ite, outgoing Canadian government that's about to be gutted in the polls," Mr. Galloway said.

"Flag-waving, or in the case of Canada, shroud-waving of the brave Canadian soldiers who gave their lives for this miserably failed policy of the Canadian government is despicable beyond words."

aren't going to help him in the Canadian public opinion area.

source

 

[spring-peeper]

I have been a critic of Galloway, pretty much from day one, although I have always supported much of what he stands for.

I don't know him personally, and don't care to. His ego has always seemed to overtake his principles, but at least he does seem to have some.

It doesn't matter what I think of him, or what you think of him - the Canadian Authorities have no right to bar a man from the Canadian people's Country on the grounds that the authorities don't like his politics. That is Fascism, full stop.

But, I fear that this is probably more of a reason to bar him, as the Canadian Government prepares further ties with their North American neighbours:

Canada can ban anyone we want - we don't need your permission or understanding.

I don't open links to videos - what is on your link? Which of our neighbours are you referring to - Russia, Greenland, France or the States?

 

[Fullyplumped]

It doesn't matter what I think of him, or what you think of him - the Canadian Authorities have no right to bar a man from the Canadian people's Country on the grounds that the authorities don't like his politics. That is Fascism, full stop.

I do think that it's important that a sovereign state has the power to determine which foreigners are permitted to enter its borders and to deny entry and remove those whom it deems undesirable. Whether it's Mr Wilders or Mr Galloway, or indeed Mr Qaradawi or Mr Farrakhan,

I am sure that someone will be along in due course to explain why this isn't really "Fascism, full stop."

 

[littlebabyjesus]

statements like

"Flag-waving, or in the case of Canada, shroud-waving of the brave Canadian soldiers who gave their lives for this miserably failed policy of the Canadian government is despicable beyond words."

aren't going to help him in the Canadian public opinion area.

Are you the 'Great Canadian Public', then?

I'd have thought quite a few Canadians would cheer such a sentiment.

 

[Fullyplumped]

Are you the 'Great Canadian Public', then?
I'd have thought quite a few Canadians would cheer such a sentiment.

I think it's unlikely that any state would sanction a plebiscite to review every immigration decision by its government. Canada is a representative democracy and such matters are entrusted to the government of the day. I can't imagine that a government headed by Mr Ignatieff would act differently.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I do think that it's important that a sovereign state has the power to determine which foreigners are permitted to enter its borders and to deny entry and remove those whom it deems undesirable. Whether it's Mr Wilders or Mr Galloway, or indeed Mr Qaradawi or Mr Farrakhan,

"those whom it deems undesirable"?

So the government of the day in a democracy should have the power to exclude foreigners who disagree with it?

I'd say rather the opposite: The power of the government of the day in a democracy to ban foreigners on the basis of those foreigners' beliefs should be very tightly controlled by that country's wider democratic constitution.

 

[spring-peeper]

Are you the 'Great Canadian Public', then?

I'd have thought quite a few Canadians would cheer such a sentiment.

I'm not too sure if I'm Great, but I'm definitely more part of the Canadian Public than you are.

I'm not too sure how many others of the 'Great Canadian Public' would agree that trashing our country and politics is the good way to get a ruling overturned.

meh - we've banned people before and we will ban them again.

 

[Fullyplumped]

"those whom it deems undesirable"? So the government of the day in a democracy should have the power to exclude foreigners who disagree with it?

Yes, of course a government in a democracy should have the power to exclude foreigners, and it shouldn't be expected to give a reason.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Yes, of course a government in a democracy should have the power to exclude foreigners, and it shouldn't be expected to give a reason.

Nonsense.

That's not democracy. You've become inured to the UK's pernicious version of democracy in which the government of the day is barely constrained by the wider democratic process. Yet another example of the need for a proper constitution.

 

[spring-peeper]

I think it's unlikely that any state would sanction a plebiscite to review every immigration decision by its government. Canada is a representative democracy and such matters are entrusted to the government of the day. I can't imagine that a government headed by Mr Ignatieff would act differently.

I'm pretty sure that it's CSIS that bans, not the government.

This is Iggy's (Ignatieff) response

In Winnipeg, Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff said he never agrees with Mr. Galloway, but that's not a reason for barring him from the country. However, he said, if security officials have found he's a threat, he should not be allowed in.

"If he's being barred on free speech grounds, that's an outrage. You can come to Canada and talk rubbish all day long as far as I'm concerned. If there's a security threat, that's another matter, and I've heard no evidence yet that he presents a security threat. And of course if there is one, as a responsible public official I will accept what security services say on Mr. Galloway."

same link as earlier post