Galloway and extended hours drinking

[sihhi]

From BarryB's link

He also criticized those who call themselves as “ Syrian opposition” clarifying that the real national opposition is to stand by your country and not against it to serve own interests at the expense of the peoples blood.

Yuck.

 

[bolshiebhoy]

but their mps do turn up to parliament...

Is there no something a bit disingenuous about a Class War anarchist slagging an MP about his attendance at the dung heap?

 

[Udo Erasmus]

From BarryB's link



Yuck.

Couldn't find the link for that statement. I did note that he argued that the Syrian people would unite if they were invaded like any other people.

Also, said: "The reason that Syria is facing this crisis is not because of any bad thing that Syria has done or any weaknesses within its democracy, or within its economy, or within its human rights record - and there are weaknesses in all three of these. "

 

[sihhi]

Couldn't find the link for that statement. I did note that he argued that the Syrian people would unite if they were invaded like any other people.

Also, said: "The reason that Syria is facing this crisis is not because of any bad thing that Syria has done or any weaknesses within its democracy, or within its economy, or within its human rights record - and there are weaknesses in all three of these. "

And so what he is still an anti-socialist Arab Nationalist isn't he?

http://www.champress.net/english/?page=show_det&id=1127

 

[Udo Erasmus]

"He also criticized those who call themselves as “ Syrian opposition” clarifying that the real national opposition is to stand by your country and not against it to serve own interests at the expense of the peoples blood."

Quoted out of context.

He is criticising those opposition figures who are supported and support US imperialism and allign themselves with the West.

This is in a context where a US invasion of Syria is possible and agression against Syria is mounting

 

[Pickman's model]

Is there no something a bit disingenuous about a Class War anarchist slagging an MP about his attendance at the dung heap?

bolshiebhoy

why is galloway failing to provide the representation within parliament that you and the rest of your vile crew claimed he would?

 

[Streathamite]

errr....bolshiebhoy ain't a WESPECker, I'm sure. no swappie either....

 

[Pickman's model]

errr....bolshiebhoy ain't a WESPECker, I'm sure. no swappie either....

he's certainly something beginning with 'w'.

 

[rednblack]

errr....bolshiebhoy ain't a WESPECker, I'm sure. no swappie either....

er he's definately a respect member, and he would like to be in the swp i know his reasonable manner and relatively sensible aproach are a bit confusing...

 

[Fisher_Gate]

Fisher Gate I will be celebrating the new licensing laws a week today. Whatever else most Urban75ers think about the Labour Government I suspect a lot them will also be celebrating. In this case Labours actions speak louder than words.

BarryB

As on all things ... like war, public spending, university tuition fees, breaking schools from democratic control ...

I hardly think a bit of market deregulation supported by an industry that makes millions out of the misery of alcohol abuse, amounts to a socialist policy. I support the right to drink responsibly, but what are the government doing to curtail the obscene exploitation of vulnerable people by a rapacious and monopolistic industry - that is also closing down all the small independent suppliers? Don't bother I know the answer - supporting market forces ...

 

[BarryB]

As on all things ... like war, public spending, university tuition fees, breaking schools from democratic control ...

I hardly think a bit of market deregulation supported by an industry that makes millions out of the misery of alcohol abuse, amounts to a socialist policy. I support the right to drink responsibly, but what are the government doing to curtail the obscene exploitation of vulnerable people by a rapacious and monopolistic industry - that is also closing down all the small independent suppliers? Don't bother I know the answer - supporting market forces ...

Oh dear in an earlier message on this thread you said you were in favour of the "complete deregulation" of alcohol. And you also threw in cannabis and prostitution for good measure. Now you are saying that the new laws are only "a bit of market deregulation". So what do you want the Government to do for complete deregulation? Whats your socialist policy? You talk about "closing down all independent suppliers". Well thats nonsense. Whilst unfortunately some local brewers have been taken over by larger breweries, recent examples being Ridleys and Gales, there has been an explosion of new smaller breweries. Just look at the CAMRA Good Beer Guide if you dont believe me. Or ask Roger Protz. I would be more than happy if somehow local breweries could be safeguarded. We can agree on that.

BarryB

 

[Fisher_Gate]

Oh dear in an earlier message on this thread you said you were in favour of the "complete deregulation" of alcohol. And you also threw in cannabis and prostitution for good measure. Now you are saying that the new laws are only "a bit of market deregulation". So what do you want the Government to do for complete deregulation? Whats your socialist policy? You talk about "closing down all independent suppliers". Well thats nonsense. Whilst unfortunately some local brewers have been taken over by larger breweries, recent examples being Ridleys and Gales, there has been an explosion of new smaller breweries. Just look at the CAMRA Good Beer Guide if you dont believe me. Or ask Roger Protz. I would be more than happy if somehow local breweries could be safeguarded. We can agree on that.

BarryB

Absolute crap! The government isn't proposing complete deregulation - those pubs wishing to extend their hours still have to apply for it, in Preston they are talking about turning down applications from city centre venues.

As for "nonsense" about independent suppliers I think you should read what CAMRA themselves have to say - they talk about a 30 year trend of them being "swallowed up" by the four global brewers and the independent sector being "under threat". Saving one ort two local breweries, whilst welcome and of symbolic importance, does not disguise the overall trend which is towards global monopolisation, largely unregulated by government.

http://www.camra.org.uk/SHWebClass.asp?WCI=ShowCat&CatId=221

Independent breweries are not owned by the four global brewers which operate in the UK market. Over the last thirty years or so, many smaller regional and family brewers have been swallowed up by larger companies, their breweries closed and their beers lost.

The Hard facts

Mergers and take-overs continue to threaten choice and many observers believe that there will only be two major brewers within three years
In 2002 four companies brewed nearly 85% of all Britain’s beer
Britain’s 350 small breweries produce over 2,000 distinctive local real ales – but between them, they only have 1 –2% of the beer market
There are only 38 regional and family brewers still in existence. These companies have around 14% of the total beer market and are the biggest producers of real ale

The regional and family brewing sector is under threat. Several important breweries have been sold or have closed over the last few years including Morrells of Oxford, Ruddles of Rutland, Vaux of Sunderland, Wards of Sheffield and Mitchells of Lancaster. If we do not act now to save them, others will follow.

A manufactured decline

Real ale sales by volume are in decline. CAMRA believes that the global brewers are largely to blame for this decline as they have failed to promote their real ale brands, preferring instead to plough millions into the marketing of one or two premium lagers and ‘smoothflow’ beers. Their strategies have turned the attention of drinkers away from real ale and towards beers which are easier to keep and more profitable to the brewers.

The decline has affected the sales of many other breweries that concentrate on real ale.

 

[BarryB]

Absolute crap! The government isn't proposing complete deregulation - those pubs wishing to extend their hours still have to apply for it, in Preston they are talking about turning down applications from city centre venues.

As for "nonsense" about independent suppliers I think you should read what CAMRA themselves have to say - they talk about a 30 year trend of them being "swallowed up" by the four global brewers and the independent sector being "under threat". Saving one ort two local breweries, whilst welcome and of symbolic importance, does not disguise the overall trend which is towards global monopolisation, largely unregulated by government.

Fisher Gate you have misread my posting. I never claimed that the Government were proposing complete deregulation. If they were they woundent allow local authorities to turn down extensions. Like you I am opposed to large breweries taking over smaller breweries. In most cases it is purely asset stripping to sell off breweries for use as housing eg Brakspears in Henley. What I said is there has been an explosion of new smaller breweries or micro breweries if you want to call them that. Surely you cant deny this is what has happened?

Anyway lets get back to what I originally asked. What does Respect think of the new licensing laws?

BarryB

 

[Isambard]

In most cases it is purely asset stripping to sell off breweries for use as housing eg Brakspears in Henley.

Was a standard drink when I was a young un and lived in the area.

 

[mrtambourineman]

People were wondering what Galloway's personal views on this were?

Well he voted against a more modest proposal to allow longer drinking hours on Sundays on what appears to have been a free vote http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199495/cmhansrd/1995-02-15/Debate-12.html

While ago now. Sorry, best I could come up with.

 

[Groucho]

To my knowledge Respect has not debated the issue.

I am in favour of an end to restrictions on opening hours but on the proviso that the position of workers in the industry is protected - no compulsary extension to hours, protection of new contracts, extra pay for those who volunteer to work overnight, no coerced opt out of the WTR.

 

[BarryB]

To my knowledge Respect has not debated the issue.

I am in favour of an end to restrictions on opening hours but on the proviso that the position of workers in the industry is protected - no compulsary extension to hours, protection of new contracts, extra pay for those who volunteer to work overnight, no coerced opt out of the WTR.

I sympathise with your views. But the legislation has gone through and I havent heard of any union campaign regarding this. And I doubt if many people will boycott pub extensions because of the lack of new contracts etc. I doubt if many pub workers are in unions. Anyone know if any of the pub chains recognise unions for their bar staff?

BarryB

 

[Streathamite]

so, BarryB - can i take it you would campaign for an amendment to the act, protecting pubworkers rights?

 

[mrtambourineman]

so, BarryB - can i take it you would campaign for an amendment to the act, protecting pubworkers rights?

In theory I would strongly support such an idea, but I can see it getting complicated as to who you allow to opt out of what, and how you enforce such an opt-out in an industry where most labour is casual and part-time anyway.

 

[Streathamite]

i see your point; but I think it can be made simple; contracts stipulating maximum hours, and a Lawyer must be present if they sigh a waiver to that.

 

[BarryB]

so, BarryB - can i take it you would campaign for an amendment to the act, protecting pubworkers rights?

Of course im in favour protecting pubworkers rights. And that
is what the trade unions should be campaigning for. Next question please.

BarryB

 

[Streathamite]

but you support a party founded by the TU movement, whose deputy leader is very much a creature of that movement....and which put - AFAIK - nary a single worker-protection clause into this Act....

 

[BarryB]

but you support a party founded by the TU movement, whose deputy leader is very much a creature of that movement....and which put - AFAIK - nary a single worker-protection clause into this Act....

Yes. But surely you should be asking whether the TGWU, GMB, USDAW or whatever union is appropriate to pub staff have been campaigning for the worker-protection clauses.

BarryB