Gair Rhydd published *those* cartoons?

[ddraig]

Peeps have said it all already:
Redstar (if you can pluck it up to come on this thread again), you're a fuckwit sticking up for a fuckwitted move by a bunch of fuckwits.

redstar is there online at the bottom of this forum.

no response rs?

 

[Redstar]

You know what you sound like...? Hmmm, lets see. You sound like, errr, the BNP bloke writing in to the Echo.

A freedom of speech doesn't exist in a vacuum, the same as we don't live in a vacuum. You'd have thought someone with the username "redstar" would have been able to muster even a working notion of society...

Anyway, if you think there should be a solidarity demo for the journos, go ahead and organise it. Please, seriously, you made the suggestion, now walk the walk.

Ah yeah I forget. The Left (and when I say the Left you can safely put all the middle class anarchists/commies/swoppies in the same lifestyle politics bracket) doesn't have the intellectual confidence to tolerate criticism, so it resorts to comparing people to the BNP to shut down the debate.

We live in a Western democracy. Freedom of speech and freedom of expression are the foundation stones of our way of life. I didn't see rioting and demonstrations in Western cities when Iran made the repugnant suggestion of setting up a commission to investigate whether the Holocaust ever happened.

And do you know why? Because in the West we are more tolerant and can deal with repugnant views in a mature fashion. Obviously the Islamists can't and don't even have the maturity to deal with a cartoon.

Go to an Islamic state and see how tolerant they are of other religions! In Saudi Arabia you'd probably be whipped if you were found carrying a bible. Why? Because Islam is an intolerant religion (aside from the fact that it's misogynistic and homophobic).

There was a time when the Left championed the principles of equality, tolerance and social justice. But obviously those principles have been sold out to people who hate women, want sharia law imposed, hate homosexuals and cannot tolerate dissent and tolerance themselves. Sad.

 

[Redstar]

Peeps have said it all already:
Redstar (if you can pluck it up to come on this thread again), you're a fuckwit sticking up for a fuckwitted move by a bunch of fuckwits.

Is that the best you can do? Where exactly is your argument?

Let's have a bit less of the twit, and more of the Llan, diolch.

 

[Redstar]

Mmmmm. What about this guy then? works both ways I think!

Like I said, I thought the Left used to be FOR gay rights (which I am). But hey, let's not offend the Muslims...

 

[1927]

Personally I think Redstar has a point. We either want freedom of the press or we don't.

When Sir Iqbal Sacranie made his comments about homosexuals I watched Question time that night,on the panel was the ehad of Liberty who said that she was in two minds to condemn him,because as much as she resented his attack she defended his right to make it.

So what all the fuss about "those" cartoons is I don't know!

 

[King Biscuit Time]

Who has stated they are against gay rights?

As a rule, I'm just anti pissing people off. These cartoons seem to piss people off. Normal people too, not just the nutjobs who turn out to protest in London.

And I'm all for freedom of the press (of course ). But just because the press is free to print anything it likes - doesn't mean it should. If the GR had good reason to print the cartoons then fine - but I can't for the life of me think what it might be.

 

[laptop]

Seems to me that the lack of interest shown by those who publish the cartoons in what it is they're doing is important.

There's the reported caption in Gair Rhydd, above.

And there's France Soir last Wednesday: «Oui, on a le droit de caricaturer Dieu» - "Yes, we have the right to caricature god".

Er, no.

The whole point, as I understand it, is that within Islamic belief representations of the Prophet risk idolatry - turning this man into a deity. The Xtians assuming that Muslims must have some equivalent to their utterly bonkers concept of the Trinity is, I suspect, more annoying and, I believe, more blasphemous than the cartoons themselves.

As an atheist, I like to know precisely how and why I'm pissing off the religious. Those who lash out in ignorance are clearly being xenophobic, no more.

 

[nightowl]

they didn't publish for any great reasons of free speech or solidarity with other papers, they just did so for a bit of cheap and easy publicity which is what they've got. the only reason most people i knew used to pick up that rag at college was for the tv listings anyway.

 

[Col_Buendia]

Ah yeah I forget. The Left (and when I say the Left you can safely put all the middle class anarchists/commies/swoppies in the same lifestyle politics bracket) doesn't have the intellectual confidence to tolerate criticism, so it resorts to comparing people to the BNP to shut down the debate.

We live in a Western democracy. Freedom of speech and freedom of expression are the foundation stones of our way of life. I didn't see rioting and demonstrations in Western cities when Iran made the repugnant suggestion of setting up a commission to investigate whether the Holocaust ever happened.

And do you know why? Because in the West we are more tolerant and can deal with repugnant views in a mature fashion. Obviously the Islamists can't and don't even have the maturity to deal with a cartoon.

Go to an Islamic state and see how tolerant they are of other religions! In Saudi Arabia you'd probably be whipped if you were found carrying a bible. Why? Because Islam is an intolerant religion (aside from the fact that it's misogynistic and homophobic).

There was a time when the Left championed the principles of equality, tolerance and social justice. But obviously those principles have been sold out to people who hate women, want sharia law imposed, hate homosexuals and cannot tolerate dissent and tolerance themselves. Sad.

Ah, forgive me. I assumed from your username that you had something in common with the "left" (as you call it). But in fact you don't. You're just another foamy-mouthed frother who can see the mote in another's eye, but not the beam in your own. I mean, anyone who can write "Freedom of speech and freedom of expression are the foundation stones of our way of life" about the West which is currently waging illegal wars and torturing people in illegal prison camps in Eastern Europe obviously has a vision problem. And so, back to my first point. You do indeed sound just like the BNP, and not because I want to shut you up (I find this sort of knee-jerk Daily Mail stuff quite amusing, tbh), but because last week Griffin was acquitted after saying Islam was "wicked vicious faith". You say "Islam is an intolerant religion". Ergo, you sound like the bloke from the BNP to me.

Need any more proof?

And now you've talked the talk, Reddy, when you gonna walk the walk? Do let us know of the date and time of your solidarity demo.

 

[onemonkey]

it does prove that the religious don't have a monopoly on stupidity so perhaps it will bring us all closer together

 

[llantwit]

Is that the best you can do? Where exactly is your argument?
Let's have a bit less of the twit, and more of the Llan, diolch.

Witty.
It's not about free speech you ignorant patronising git - it's about a bunch of twatty students thinking it'd be a jolly good wheeze to make a name for themselves whilst fanning the flames of racial hatred that have blown up around this whole thing.
Just for the record, and if you'd care to read this, slowly, so you understand...
My position, and most of the others whove had a go at you on this thread isn't about sticking up for Islamists.
Like the last poster, I'm an atheist, and couldn't really give a fuck what is published about any religion - it could be a three way cluster-fuck between Jesus, the prophet Mo, and a big fat smiling Buddha, and I genuinely wouldn't care. I might find it a tad distasteful, but then again I might not .
What I DO find distasteful is a bunch of wankers in Europe 'making a stand' about 'free speech' by repinting already right-wing and racist cartoons after they'd already been printed by the Danish right, AND THEN some wanky Cardiff students coming along and either deliberately stirring shit up some more or doing something extremely naive and stupid by publishing them AGAIN.
This is not a free-speech issue in a vacuum - the right will try to turn it into that, but it's not just that... there's a context to all this of extreme racism that people have to live through day in day out - this was just the spark that lit the fire. Unfortunately some fundy Islamist nutters have managed to control the general 'muslim' response, and that's a pity... but it ain't anywhere near as simple as you're saying it is redstar, so wise the fuck up.

 

[onemonkey]

The whole point, as I understand it, is that within Islamic belief representations of the Prophet risk idolatry - turning this man into a deity. The Xtians assuming that Muslims must have some equivalent to their utterly bonkers concept of the Trinity is, I suspect, more annoying and, I believe, more blasphemous than the cartoons themselves.

but then surely the Muslims can't protest about these cartoons as being 'blasphemous'? merely offensive?

gosh, isn't religion complicated?

 

[Brockway]

Who is the editor of Gair Rhydd?

 

[ddraig]

Witty.
It's not about free speech you ignorant patronising git - it's about a bunch of twatty students thinking it'd be a jolly good wheeze to make a name for themselves whilst fanning the flames of racial hatred that have blown up around this whole thing.
Just for the record, and if you'd care to read this, slowly, so you understand...
My position, and most of the others whove had a go at you on this thread isn't about sticking up for Islamists.
Like the last poster, I'm an atheist, and couldn't really give a fuck what is published about any religion - it could be a three way cluster-fuck between Jesus, the prophet Mo, and a big fat smiling Buddha, and I genuinely wouldn't care. I might find it a tad distasteful, but then again I might not .
What I DO find distasteful is a bunch of wankers in Europe 'making a stand' about 'free speech' by repinting already right-wing and racist cartoons after they'd already been printed by the Danish right, AND THEN some wanky Cardiff students coming along and either deliberately stirring shit up some more or doing something extremely naive and stupid by publishing them AGAIN.
This is not a free-speech issue in a vacuum - the right will try to turn it into that, but it's not just that... there's a context to all this of extreme racism that people have to live through day in day out - this was just the spark that lit the fire. Unfortunately some fundy Islamist nutters have managed to control the general 'muslim' response, and that's a pity... but it ain't anywhere near as simple as you're saying it is redstar, so wise the fuck up.

excellent post, my position also

 

[ddraig]

Who is the editor of Gair Rhydd?

now or yesterday?

something here, don't know how current
nus online

funnily enough the actual site for gair rhydd is dead
maybe taken off or exceeded bandwidth. i guess the former

 

[llantwit]

Who is the editor of Gair Rhydd?

Maybe their the 'ex-editor' now?

BTW, there's a decent article on the whole cartoons thing here.
Written by a bunch of pinko commies, like, but it's not bad.

 

[nightowl]

funnily enough the actual site for gair rhydd is dead
maybe taken off or exceeded bandwidth. i guess the former

that site's been knackered for yonks now. keep saying its being updated but it's been the same for months

 

[Brockway]

now or yesterday?

something here, don't know how current
nus online

funnily enough the actual site for gair rhydd is dead
maybe taken off or exceeded bandwidth. i guess the former

Phew.... he's English.

 

[Redstar]

Ah, forgive me. I assumed from your username that you had something in common with the "left" (as you call it). But in fact you don't. You're just another foamy-mouthed frother who can see the mote in another's eye, but not the beam in your own. I mean, anyone who can write "Freedom of speech and freedom of expression are the foundation stones of our way of life" about the West which is currently waging illegal wars and torturing people in illegal prison camps in Eastern Europe obviously has a vision problem. And so, back to my first point. You do indeed sound just like the BNP, and not because I want to shut you up (I find this sort of knee-jerk Daily Mail stuff quite amusing, tbh), but because last week Griffin was acquitted after saying Islam was "wicked vicious faith". You say "Islam is an intolerant religion". Ergo, you sound like the bloke from the BNP to me.

Need any more proof?

And now you've talked the talk, Reddy, when you gonna walk the walk? Do let us know of the date and time of your solidarity demo.

Yeah you're quite right col. I don't have much in common with the Left. Thank Christ.

I used to consider myself Left-wing but the left has disappeared so far up it's own arse that it doesn't even know a free speech issue when it sees it.

Obviously in your case col, you're so safely reassured in your own self-righteousness you don't see the need to address my arguments. But in my book the far left and the far right are pretty much the same thing anyway...you're all fundamentalists and apologists for fundamentalism as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Col_Buendia]

Yeah right Redeye, keep piffling. Like, you said you'd support a solidarity demo, so when are you going to organise it? Or are you all bulletin board talk, cos it is starting to sound like that.

I have addressed your argument, in a nutshell (you might have missed it with all the steam coming off your copy of the Mail) I said to you that free speech doesn't exist as an abstract right in a vacuum. Now you wanna come back at me on that with some Thatcherite "there's no such thing as society" (wtf am I giving you your lines?? Maybe cos yours are so bollox mate!) or whatever? Cos I don't see you doing much more than slagging Islam from behind the safety of your computer. And you haven't addressed my points, which were that your language is extremely redolent of the the language of the BNP. And that doesn't mean people are ignoring you here, in fact it seems like most posters here have taken time to answer your spleen.

So when's the demo?

 

[Redstar]

Witty.
It's not about free speech you ignorant patronising git - it's about a bunch of twatty students thinking it'd be a jolly good wheeze to make a name for themselves whilst fanning the flames of racial hatred that have blown up around this whole thing.
Just for the record, and if you'd care to read this, slowly, so you understand...
My position, and most of the others whove had a go at you on this thread isn't about sticking up for Islamists.
Like the last poster, I'm an atheist, and couldn't really give a fuck what is published about any religion - it could be a three way cluster-fuck between Jesus, the prophet Mo, and a big fat smiling Buddha, and I genuinely wouldn't care. I might find it a tad distasteful, but then again I might not .
What I DO find distasteful is a bunch of wankers in Europe 'making a stand' about 'free speech' by repinting already right-wing and racist cartoons after they'd already been printed by the Danish right, AND THEN some wanky Cardiff students coming along and either deliberately stirring shit up some more or doing something extremely naive and stupid by publishing them AGAIN.
This is not a free-speech issue in a vacuum - the right will try to turn it into that, but it's not just that... there's a context to all this of extreme racism that people have to live through day in day out - this was just the spark that lit the fire. Unfortunately some fundy Islamist nutters have managed to control the general 'muslim' response, and that's a pity... but it ain't anywhere near as simple as you're saying it is redstar, so wise the fuck up.

Who is fanning the flames of racial hatred here? This is not a racial issue this a RELIGIOUS ISSUE. Hello? And as to fanning them what about the nutters on the streets of London threatening to chop people's heads off when these cartoons were not even published in the UK? Who exactly is fanning the flames of hatred here? No-one in the UK anyway and I hardly see how publishing a cartoon in a (Guardian awarded) Uni mag is fanning these flames either.

And in any case the cartoons were published in September of last year. So it's taken the Islamic world around 4 months to find it's indignation? Nothing to do with the fact that a group of rightwing Imams went touring the middle East with the cartoons (along with a mysterious new set of cartoons which appeared out of nowhere... ) with the blatant intention of inciting widespread anger across the middle east.

So who is inciting what here? And why?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/religion/Story/0,,1702091,00.html

I strongly suggest you acquaint yourself with the FACTS mate. Remember them?

 

[niclas]

Today's Guardian reports that the Danish paper that published the cartoons rejected cartoons satirising Christ three years previously on the grounds that they'd offend the readership.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/cartoonprotests/story/0,,1703552,00.html

So much for free speech.

I also think we should defend free speech as a democratic right, but not to abuse minorities (or majorities for that matter). I wonder how Scousers felt about the Sun's right to 'free speech' at any price when it claimed Liverpool fans had robbed the Hillsborough dead. I think Scousers burnt copies of the paper and continue to boycott it now.

The more I hear of the Danish paper's pro-Hitler past in the 1930s, the more I feel this was a deliberate provocation (that has, of course, seen the nuttier elements of Islamic fundamentalism help stoke the flames).

 

[neprimerimye]

Theres a lot of rubbish being spouted about this pathetic affair. First off it is about Free Speech. Like it or not the Danish right wing paper and Gair Rhydd do have the right to publsh these moronic cartoons.

By the same token students who oppose the editorial policies of Gair Rhydd can organise to have the editiorial team removed by democratic means. Which actually seems like a good idea in that it would involve a greater number of students than is usual in taking democratic control of what is supposed to be their student union and their student paper.

It should also be noted that the original publication of these racist cartoons was a provocation and would seem to have succeeded in its aims. That is of aggravating antagonisms between Muslims and the peoples of the Western countries. In other worse the beneficiaries of this affair are the right wing reactionary right in the west and the right wing reactinary sometimes fascist Islamist groups in the Muslim countries.

For example the Mukhabarat (political police) in Syria are usually heavy handed in their repression of demonstrations but when the Danish Embassey was torched stood by from reports I've read. One can only conclude that the regime approved of the riot as it distracted attention from the failings of their tyranny.

Again in Britain the small demonstration of 300 or so held by former Al-Mahajaroun folks, that is the same people who attacked Galloway during the last election, was treated rather well by the police. One can only conclude that their paymasters see these idiots as a useful political foil. Useful idiots if you like.

Many on the left, loosely defined, argue that what we have is a choice of siding with oppressed Muslims or defending Free Speech for right wing racists. Which is no choice at all as far as i'm concerned. Muslims are not oppressed by reason of a stupid cartoon which has not even been published in the Muslim world. Free Speech is indivisible one either is for or against it.

Some final comments. As a communist I oppose all state laws limiting freedom of speech. As such I support the separation of church and state along with a prohibition on religious bodies controling schools. Christian cults should not have priviliges which the sects of other religions do not possess. better then that none of them have any connection with the state. As an advocate of Free Speech I recognise that fascism is opposed to any and all Free Speech therefore I support a poliy of No Platforming them. Unlike liberals and reformist socialists I'm opposed to any form of state censoorship. Frankly i find the support of some socialists for the proposed Religious Hatred Bill disgusting treachery to their principles.

 

[llantwit]

Not a bad post Nep, thanks. It seems to me like it leaves Muslims in the UK (and the rest of europe) out of the equation - that's my major beef here, tbh. There's already a climate of increasing racial and religious prejudice/hatred here and elsewhere in europe (anti muslim, anti-arab, anti-asylum seeker, anti-difference), and the continued REprinting of already dodgy and provocative texts like these just serves to stoke up the tensions. When I said it wasn't a free speech issue, I meant to say that that wasn't the most important issue for me - and point out that it shouldn't be seen ONLY as a free speech issue, as there's more important things going on here. I definitely wasn't calling for state censorship, or any shit like that, just expressing a personal opinion about why the cartoons shouldn't be reprinted.

Redstar - People have taken the time to aswer your questions thoughtfully and you still come out with the same shrill bollocks. And if you can't see that RACIAL and RELIGIOUS hatred all feed into a bigger picture of general prejudice and repression on this issue then you're an even bigger fuckwit than I thought you were.
you're a prick, and you're going on ignore. Yes, I'm censoring you. Go and cry to your 'liberal' student friends. Maybe they'll write an article denouncing it in thier shittty rag.

 

[RubberBuccaneer]

This, on the day Abu Hamza was banged up for inciting racial hatred.

There can't be on law for us one law for them ( as the 4 skins would say ).

 

[Col_Buendia]

<snip> Free Speech is indivisible one either is for or against it.<snip>

Y'see, this is what I'm getting at, Nep. You sound like a narrow-minded ideologue with this sort of rhetoric (you're either for it or against it...? Hmmm... which world leader was using that sort of manichean terminology around, errr, 2001-2002?)

Free speech doesn't exist in a vacuum, it is not some sort of abstract right. Surely as a materialist you're at least prepared to concede that it must have some presence in the world around us in order to be taken into consideration?

From the Guardian article that silly Redstar posted:

At this critical point the Danish PM decided to intervene. On Monday, Mr Rasmussen conceded the debate had moved on from an abstract argument about freedom of speech, and expressed his regret at the offence caused to millions of Muslims.

And then slightly further down the article we learn that "Germany's Die Welt slapped the turban-bomb Muhammad cartoon on its front page". This was easily the most offensive and disciminatory cartoon (imo), and the defence given was:

"It's the core of our culture that the most sacred things can be subjected to criticism, laughter and satire," Roger Köppel, Die Welt's editor-in-chief, told the Guardian. The Arab world was guilty of "hypocrisy", the paper said.

This, from a country where it is a crime to deny the holocaust. Now, I'm not interested in arguing the toss about the Holocaust, obviously, but the German defence, in this case, is that they will permit free speech on anything, when in practice they don't. So what that means, in context, is that it is not a simple, abstract, free speech issue, but that it is a matter of outright discrimination against the Muslim religion. And in that context, I don't see how it is either useful or helpful to continue to insist on people's abstract rights when it is only playing into the hands of the neo-cons who are aiming for permanent war with the Middle East.

 

[Redstar]

Not a bad post Nep, thanks. It seems to me like it leaves Muslims in the UK (and the rest of europe) out of the equation - that's my major beef here, tbh. There's already a climate of increasing racial and religious prejudice/hatred here and elsewhere in europe (anti muslim, anti-arab, anti-asylum seeker, anti-difference), and the continued REprinting of already dodgy and provocative texts like these just serves to stoke up the tensions. When I said it wasn't a free speech issue, I meant to say that that wasn't the most important issue for me - and point out that it shouldn't be seen ONLY as a free speech issue, as there's more important things going on here. I definitely wasn't calling for state censorship, or any shit like that, just expressing a personal opinion about why the cartoons shouldn't be reprinted.

Redstar - People have taken the time to aswer your questions thoughtfully and you still come out with the same shrill bollocks. And if you can't see that RACIAL and RELIGIOUS hatred all feed into a bigger picture of general prejudice and repression on this issue then you're an even bigger fuckwit than I thought you were.
you're a prick, and you're going on ignore. Yes, I'm censoring you. Go and cry to your 'liberal' student friends. Maybe they'll write an article denouncing it in thier shittty rag.

The only one being shrill here and using abusive language is you mate. I've expressed a critical opinion of the Muslim community's attitudes and you've thrown a wobbly and chucked your toys out of the pram. Grow up and get a life. You're against state censorship but you'll censor people who express opinions you don't agree with. Your contempt for free speech is, er, contemptible.

And obviously "racism" and "racial hatred" are totally one-sided and never comes from the Muslim community who are nothing more than an oppressed minority. Please. It just goes to show that Political Correctness has gone mad and become a kind of Fascism to gag people who reserve the right to be critical of everything and ALL religions and persuasions.

If you haven't got the emotional maturity or the intellectual confidence to deal with my points without resorting to abusive language then that says more about you than me.

 

[Redstar]

Yeah right Redeye, keep piffling. Like, you said you'd support a solidarity demo, so when are you going to organise it? Or are you all bulletin board talk, cos it is starting to sound like that.

I have addressed your argument, in a nutshell (you might have missed it with all the steam coming off your copy of the Mail) I said to you that free speech doesn't exist as an abstract right in a vacuum. Now you wanna come back at me on that with some Thatcherite "there's no such thing as society" (wtf am I giving you your lines?? Maybe cos yours are so bollox mate!) or whatever? Cos I don't see you doing much more than slagging Islam from behind the safety of your computer. And you haven't addressed my points, which were that your language is extremely redolent of the the language of the BNP. And that doesn't mean people are ignoring you here, in fact it seems like most posters here have taken time to answer your spleen.

So when's the demo?

Are you really so up yourself that you think I feel the need to justify my actions to you? I'm active in all sorts of ways on all sorts of issues, that's enough for you to know.

All you've proven to me is that people on the Left are just as susceptible to Knee-jerk reactions as people on the Right, and that neither side of the political divide has a monopoly on common sense.

As to the BNP, I suspect knee-jerk PC Fascists like you are the best recruiters the BNP will ever have.

 

[nwnm]

"70 years ago people on the Left went out and fought in Spain against Fascism " Oh Yeah, which side were you on then....
Much has been made in recent days of the commitment to free speech in the Danish press. But Jyllands-Posten, the right wing paper that first published the racist caricatures of the prophet Mohammed, refused to print a cartoon of the resurrection of Jesus in 2003. The paper feared that publication of the cartoon would provoke anger among Christians. And in 1984 it campaigned against the artist Jens Jørgen Thorsen, who was commissioned by a local art club to paint the wall of a railway station. The work showed a naked Jesus with an erect penis. The paper has shown no such sensitivity towards Muslims. Last September a news story appeared claiming that the writer Kåre Bluitgen was unable to find an illustrator prepared to work on his children’s book about Islam. Blutigen said that artists feared attacks if they illustrated the book. In fact the third artist asked to illustrate the book had agreed to do sn 30 September, Jyllands-Posten published its 12 caricatures, under the headline “The Face Of Mohammed”. Accompanying them was an article by Flemming Rose, Jyllands-Posten’s culture editor, claiming, “Modern, secular society is rejected by some Muslims. They demand a special position, insisting on special consideration of their own religious feelings. It is incompatible with contemporary democracy and freedom of speech.” One cartoon purported to show the prophet Mohammed with a bomb in his turban, another showed him on a cloud, greeting dead suicide bombers with the words: “Stop, stop, we have run out of virgins!” The racist provocation by Jyllands-Posten is just the latest episode in the paper’s right wing history.
When the fascist Benito Mussolini came to power in Italy in 1922, the paper wrote, “The very strong man, that Mussolini absolutely is, is exactly what the misruled Italian people need.” In 1933 the paper argued for dictatorship in Denmark, saying, “We must assume that a majority of the voters wish for dictatorship as the only solution to the administration of the state.”
More recently, Jyllands-Posten has lent its support to right wing forces in Danish politics. On 16 March 1992 Henrik Christenson, a leading member of Socialist Worker’s sister organisation in Denmark was killed by a bomb planted by Nazis. The right wing press in Denmark initially claimed that Henrik had been making explosives. In the 2001 election, Jyllands-Posten played a crucial role in support of the victorious right wing Venstre party. It has since supported the governing coalition led by prime minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen – which includes the rabidly anti-immigrant and anti-Muslim Danish People’s Party. A number of its journalists have been employed as “spin doctors” by the government.
FREEDOM OF SPEECH MY ARSE

 

[Col_Buendia]

Redstar, be sure to let us know when you're organising this solidarity demo you talked so much about on page one.

I mean you wouldn't want people here thinking you're just so much hot air, now, would you? Not after you gave such carefully thought out rebuttals of the positions that have (generously) been put to you.

Time & date? And we can come and video it for you for evidence for the subsequent trial, eh?