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[zenie]

I am not however going to fetishise what is afterall just a tactic - there are forms of political action which I find more empowering, the wildcat strike at work for instance, but that doesn't invalidate or marginalise other tactics.

Yer lets not forget Black Block *aren't* a party, they're merely a means of camouflage..

 

[mk12]

And? I'm at work (in my manual job) the day I get back to Blighty.

Maybe most people would prefer to take days off work for relaxing holidays, rather than going to protest at the G8. I don't think the reasons British people weren't there is "apathy", that's all i'm saying.

 

[118118]

hey man, don't know my style and i won't knowck your's

you are saying that blackb tactics help inaugerate/create solidairt. i'm not saying that it is counter to this. just that it is far far more typical of agression (-mindless, or not. as the case may be). i don't think aggression is a useful political tool, indeed i think that aggression towards amangement is neither necessary nor indeed desirable - but this last point is soleley because of an unusual fear of anarchism and anarchists on my part.

yeah but your point that poltical evolution of blackb's is irrelevant is more or less what i was getting at in my last post.

 

[biff curtains]

Maybe most people would prefer to take days off work for relaxing holidays, rather than going to protest at the G8. I don't think the reasons British people weren't there is "apathy", that's all i'm saying.

100% agree.

 

[zenie]

Maybe most people would prefer to take days off work for relaxing holidays, rather than going to protest at the G8. I don't think the reasons British people weren't there is "apathy", that's all i'm saying.

Doesn't that say something though?

Or are people that took holiday that paid money to get there and protest for something the believed in just martyrs?

 

[biff curtains]

Yer lets not forget Black Block *aren't* a party, they're merely a means of camouflage..

Yep, one day someone might be black block, the next driving a truck with a sound system and the next working in the kitchens in the camp.

 

[mk12]

That doesn't say something, no. Are you calling yourself a martyr by the way?

 

[zenie]

That doesn't say something, no. Are you calling yourself a martyr by the way?

Fuckin hell definitley not

When I told people I was going there they thought I had some really strong political streak but the fact is I like music and dancing

Whether my views have changed now I've been there and seen all this we'll wait and see?

 

[mk12]

What views have you been won over to?

 

[118118]

probably will depend on what the police are doing and how you are dressed. no?

surely it would make some difference

 

[biff curtains]

What views have you been won over to?

The black block recruitment committee will be paying zenie a visit...

 

[zenie]

What views have you been won over to?

I'll keep them to myself for now if you don't mind

 

[mk12]

H&M do cheap black hoodies by the way.

 

[zenie]

H&M do cheap black hoodies by the way.

good to know ta

I think I might prefer clown costumes though

<insert joke here>

 

[118118]

"something is happening here but you don't know what it is
do you, Mr. Jones"

 

[biff curtains]

good to know ta

I think I might prefer clown costumes though

<insert joke here>

Your feet aren't that big

 

[118118]

sorry to show my ignorance, but biff: what is the point of the black bloc etc.?

 

[biff curtains]

sorry to show my ignorance,

Only now you apologise?

but biff: what is the point of the black bloc etc.?

That has been explained in at least one of the current threads on the subject.

 

[118118]

ffs, just restate. please?

sorry i don't read anarchist mags much

 

[118118]

i want your opinion biff tho.

 

[cockneyrebel]

yes, you've said it time and time again cockneyrebel. More personal shit, like you give all other posters. So while you agree with me on this issue, you still felt the need to criticise my apparent cynicalism rather than post something related to the topic.

To be honest the only person I can ever remember making personal comments about was nigel irritable after he continually made insulting posts (and even then I apologised afterwards!).

Actually with you it's not meant to be personal at all. I meant political cynicism, how could I comment on you as an individual, I don't know you at all. I genuinely think, from what I've seen on the web, that since you became disillusioned with the SWP your politics have become cynical and it shows in your posts.

While I agree that the clown army are a joke, I just think that to then state that that is what the anarchist movement has become is firstly quite a cynical comment to make and secondly obviously not the case. Whatever my criticisms of anarchism there are obviously far more serious and far larger sections of the anarchist movement which would also think the clown army are a waste of space. Indeed I'm not even sure if the clown army call themselves anarchists, and if they do it's not a serious self-description.

 

[biff curtains]

A flock of bald men tussle over the world's largest comb.

 

[biff curtains]

ffs, just restate. please?

I'm not doing your homework for you reread the relevent threads.

sorry i don't read anarchist mags much

Me neither.

 

[118118]

have you yourself written what you think the good is? is it as clear what the consensus is from these argumentative threads as it would be from reading a short 2 line explanation from your good self?

and not be so ratty. someone somewhere keeps spain '36 alive: what does it matter about the rest of us goons

 

[zenie]

Some pics here, haven't had time to edit them at all just bunged them up

here

 

[biff curtains]

have you yourself written what you think the good is?

Yes I myself personally have.

is it as clear what the consensus is from these argumentative threads as it would be from reading a short 2 line explanation from your good self?

I don't understand the question!

and not be so ratty. someone somewhere keeps spain '36 alive: what does it matter about the rest of us goons

Of course you don't matter that's why it's been explained elsewhere by me and others. As for Spain I don't see the relevence and neither do you.

 

[118118]

what are you going on about you silly trumped up goon

'you don't matter'
'i don't see the relevance and neither do you'

you fucking [ ]

 

[118118]

if i explain the relevance will you be my "bitch" for the rest of your time on urban?

 

[118118]

it's not worth trawling every one of your posts, why won't you just say

 

[biff curtains]

Couldn't you have fit all that empty froth in one post 118?