G20 Which Side are you on?

[e19896]

It has to be made clear as the hype and propaganda towards the G20 builds on both sides http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7955057.stm http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/03/423642.html we need to ask which side are we on?

Do we enjoy the spectacle of the spectacular of The Middle Class fighting the police, or do we keep raising the concerns of The Police State, that the state to some extent will allow such protesters there moment so they can increase the pressure upon The Working Class, from Climate Change to The Global Crises it is not the making of The Working Class, once again the greed and actions of The Middle Class have brought us here.

The protest over the next coming weeks has nothing to do with the injustice of our class, it has more to do with The Middle Class protecting and protesting to save there privilege, the state welcomes there protest in private as it is a means to practice and clamp down on the Working Class, and if we are asked at underclassrising which side are we are on it has to be made clear neither:


In the last weeks a report was made to parliament [https://publish.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/03/424120.html] into the abuse of police powers during the climate camp protests at Kingsnorth in 2008. The report [https://publish.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/03/424121.html] and accompanying video [https://publish.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/03/423345.html] documented systemic abuses of power including blanket stop and searches, arbitrary seizure of property, and a campaign of phycological intimidation which included sleep deprivation through helicopter overflying late into the night, mock night and dawn raids by tooled up riot police, and the infamous 'Flight of the Valkyries' incident.

Following the report the Kent Police voluntarily referred complaints about the actions of their officers to the Independent Police Complaints Commission [https://publish.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/03/424002.html].

David Howarth, Liberal Democrat Shadow Justice Secretary said [https://publish.indymedia.org.uk/en/2008/08/406021.html
over-policing], “What happened at the Climate Camp was deeply disturbing and part of what seems to be a disturbing national trend. Political agendas have no place in policing."

The extent of political policing was further exposed the previous week the Guardian revealed that the police have been building up a database of thousands of political activists [https://publish.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/03/423696.html] as well as harassing sympathetic journalists.

The police also began their annual summer propaganda offensive against protesters in the form of 'the summer of rage' in [http://publish.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/02/423055.html] which they began to lay the foundations to justify heavy handed suppression of the right to protest, and further attacks upon The Working Class:

Why the police riot (parts 1 - 8)
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/01/418797.html
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/01/419998.html
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/02/420982.html
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/02/421761.html
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/02/422077.html
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/02/422683.html
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/03/423404.html
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/media/2009/01//418801.pdf
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/media/2009/01//420000.pdf
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/media/2009/02//420984.pdf
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/media/2009/02//421762.pdf
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/media/2009/02//422079.pdf
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/media/2009/02//422685.pdf
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/media/2009/03//423405.pdf


Further links:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/mar/10/climate-camp-surveillance
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/m...nce-protesters-journalists-climate-kingsnorth

 

[ajdown]

You forgot the third side - "Couldn't give a shit".

 

[Bernie Gunther]

Bit puzzled by the logic here. Why does middle class protest "increase pressure" on the working class?

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Yeah, everybody should definitely reject G20 protests, because the state will use them as an excuse to clamp down on protests. And then where would we be? Er.

Also OH NOEZ TEH MIDDLE CLASSES

 

[ajdown]

What is this 'class fixation' anyway?

I just see three classes.

1) Unemployed/unemployable.
2) Those that work for a living
3) Those that get paid far too much for a living - footballers, celebrities etc.

I fit in (2) therefore I must be working class *shrug*

 

[Bernie Gunther]

If I'm correctly reading the tea-leaves about the direction the G20 is going, they'll be proposing to beef up the IMF as a safety net for countries whose economies have been fucked up by neo-liberal policies. That in turn means that the 'solution' will be to ram even more neo-liberal policies down the victims throats by means of IMF structural adjustment (possibly re-branded, but essentially the same old shit) The only people who ever come out ahead in those circumstances are tiny elites as far as I know, because such policies invariably act to transfer wealth to those elites at the expense of everybody else. Hence, it would seem to me that middle class and working class interests are extremely similar in respect of the likely outcome of the G20's deliberations. Both get fucked over by austerity policies aimed at maintaining investor profits.

 

[Fullyplumped]

I'm on the side of Peace and Quiet, and not on the side of "alienated youth" dressed in carefully chosen fashonable clothes trying to provoke a rammy with the police which will inevitably result in injuries. They're not all toffs, but enough of them are.

I have worked out, thanks in part to reading accounts in this forum, that these "alienated youths" have a grievance about capitalism and the effects of globalisation on the oppressed peoples of the world, which motivates them take time out to travel to speak on behalf of the said oppressed masses who I hope are suitably grateful for the attention.

Which is all very nice but I am convinced that most of what this is about is just Showing Off, and in particular the boys showing off to the girls who are daft enough to tag along. A Spectacle, as the original poster pointed out, but one that hurts people.

 

[Nigel]

LOOKS LIKE ITS GOING TO BE FUN

 

[e19896]

Come on, be frank when the toy Town Anarchist have done throwing their tantrums and the g20 lot have gone home, shall we wake on the day of the new dawn? of course not. What i need to ask is what all the protest is going to acheive, an honest question, and for those who say we do not hold a solution:

Anarchy is a word that comes from the Greek, and signifies, strictly speaking, "without government": the state of a people without any constituted authority.

Before such an organization had begun to be considered possible and desirable by a whole class of thinkers, so as to be taken as the aim of a movement (which has now become one of the most important factors in modern social warfare), the word "anarchy" was used universally in the sense of disorder and confusion, and it is still adopted in that sense by the ignorant and by adversaries interested in distorting the truth.

We shall not enter into philological discussions, for the question is not philological but historical. The common interpretation of the word does not misconceive its true etymological signification, but is derived from it, owing to the prejudice that government must be a necessity of the organization of social life, and that consequently a society without government must be given up to disorder, and oscillate between the unbridled dominion of some and the blind vengeance of others.

The existence of this prejudice and its influence on the meaning that the public has given to the word is easily explained.

Man, like all living beings, adapts himself to the conditions in which he lives, and transmits by inheritance his acquired habits. Thus, being born and having lived in bondage, being the descendant of a long line of slaves, man, when he began to think, believed that slavery was an essential condition of life, and liberty seemed to him impossible. In like manner, the workman, forced for centuries to depend upon the goodwill of his employer for work, that is, for bread, and accustomed to see his own life at the disposal of those who possess the land and capital, has ended in believing that it is his master who gives him food, and asks ingenuously how it would be possible to live, if there were no master over him?

More http://www.greenjacker.co.uk/ and did people just read and not go look at the links given i think so, oh how easy is it for you lot to sit in your fucking armchairs and slate others for lack of thought,have you not even botherd to think further than your own self fucking interest, i a have feeling this just might be.

Indeed plagiarised all to easy to say this bullshit ain't it, when the anarchists and others have been plagarising our class for years, then when we turn it back onto you lot, you all begin to spit out your dummies, now run along please back to Mommey and Daddy will you not dear Tabbatha and Tarquin.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

Nope, still don't get it.

I've read the links (or at least looked to see if the argument might be there anywhere), but I still don't see how middle class involvement in mass demonstrations is detrimental to working class interests.

Could you possibly spell it out a bit more?

 

[HackneyE9]

It has to be made clear as the hype and propaganda towards the G20 builds on both sides http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7955057.stm http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/03/423642.html we need to ask which side are we on?

Do we enjoy the spectacle of the spectacular of The Middle Class fighting the police, or do we keep raising the concerns of The Police State, that the state to some extent will allow such protesters there moment so they can increase the pressure upon The Working Class, from Climate Change to The Global Crises it is not the making of The Working Class, once again the greed and actions of The Middle Class have brought us here.

The protest over the next coming weeks has nothing to do with the injustice of our class, it has more to do with The Middle Class protecting and protesting to save there privilege, the state welcomes there protest in private as it is a means to practice and clamp down on the Working Class, and if we are asked at underclassrising which side are we are on it has to be made clear neither:


In the last weeks a report was made to parliament [https://publish.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/03/424120.html] into the abuse of police powers during the climate camp protests at Kingsnorth in 2008. The report [https://publish.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/03/424121.html] and accompanying video [https://publish.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/03/423345.html] documented systemic abuses of power including blanket stop and searches, arbitrary seizure of property, and a campaign of phycological intimidation which included sleep deprivation through helicopter overflying late into the night, mock night and dawn raids by tooled up riot police, and the infamous 'Flight of the Valkyries' incident.

Following the report the Kent Police voluntarily referred complaints about the actions of their officers to the Independent Police Complaints Commission [https://publish.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/03/424002.html].

David Howarth, Liberal Democrat Shadow Justice Secretary said [https://publish.indymedia.org.uk/en/2008/08/406021.html
over-policing], “What happened at the Climate Camp was deeply disturbing and part of what seems to be a disturbing national trend. Political agendas have no place in policing."

The extent of political policing was further exposed the previous week the Guardian revealed that the police have been building up a database of thousands of political activists [https://publish.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/03/423696.html] as well as harassing sympathetic journalists.

The police also began their annual summer propaganda offensive against protesters in the form of 'the summer of rage' in [http://publish.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/02/423055.html] which they began to lay the foundations to justify heavy handed suppression of the right to protest, and further attacks upon The Working Class:

Why the police riot (parts 1 - 8)
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/01/418797.html
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/01/419998.html
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/02/420982.html
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/02/421761.html
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/02/422077.html
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/02/422683.html
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/03/423404.html
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/media/2009/01//418801.pdf
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/media/2009/01//420000.pdf
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/media/2009/02//420984.pdf
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/media/2009/02//421762.pdf
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/media/2009/02//422079.pdf
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/media/2009/02//422685.pdf
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/media/2009/03//423405.pdf


Further links:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/mar/10/climate-camp-surveillance
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/m...nce-protesters-journalists-climate-kingsnorth

I'm sure your heart's in the right place - but I'm not going to read a thread who's OP has 27 links in it. FFS!

 

[toblerone3]

Is is about the US dollar ceasing to become the world's reserve currency as both Russia and China have suggested?

Max Keiser thinks that the US would go to WW3 to prevent that.

 

[Raw SslaC]

It has to be made clear as the hype and propaganda towards the G20 builds on both sides http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7955057.stm http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/03/423642.html we need to ask which side are we on?

Do we enjoy the spectacle of the spectacular of The Middle Class fighting the police, or do we keep raising the concerns of The Police State, that the state to some extent will allow such protesters there moment so they can increase the pressure upon The Working Class, from Climate Change to The Global Crises it is not the making of The Working Class, once again the greed and actions of The Middle Class have brought us here.

The protest over the next coming weeks has nothing to do with the injustice of our class, it has more to do with The Middle Class protecting and protesting to save there privilege, the state welcomes there protest in private as it is a means to practice and clamp down on the Working Class, and if we are asked at underclassrising which side are we are on it has to be made clear neither:


In the last weeks a report was made to parliament [https://publish.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/03/424120.html] into the abuse of police powers during the climate camp protests at Kingsnorth in 2008. The report [https://publish.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/03/424121.html] and accompanying video [https://publish.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/03/423345.html] documented systemic abuses of power including blanket stop and searches, arbitrary seizure of property, and a campaign of phycological intimidation which included sleep deprivation through helicopter overflying late into the night, mock night and dawn raids by tooled up riot police, and the infamous 'Flight of the Valkyries' incident.

Following the report the Kent Police voluntarily referred complaints about the actions of their officers to the Independent Police Complaints Commission [https://publish.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/03/424002.html].

David Howarth, Liberal Democrat Shadow Justice Secretary said [https://publish.indymedia.org.uk/en/2008/08/406021.html
over-policing], “What happened at the Climate Camp was deeply disturbing and part of what seems to be a disturbing national trend. Political agendas have no place in policing."

The extent of political policing was further exposed the previous week the Guardian revealed that the police have been building up a database of thousands of political activists [https://publish.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/03/423696.html] as well as harassing sympathetic journalists.

The police also began their annual summer propaganda offensive against protesters in the form of 'the summer of rage' in [http://publish.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/02/423055.html] which they began to lay the foundations to justify heavy handed suppression of the right to protest, and further attacks upon The Working Class:

Why the police riot (parts 1 - 8)
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/01/418797.html
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/01/419998.html
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/02/420982.html
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/02/421761.html
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/02/422077.html
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/02/422683.html
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/03/423404.html
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/media/2009/01//418801.pdf
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/media/2009/01//420000.pdf
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/media/2009/02//420984.pdf
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/media/2009/02//421762.pdf
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/media/2009/02//422079.pdf
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/media/2009/02//422685.pdf
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/media/2009/03//423405.pdf


Further links:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/mar/10/climate-camp-surveillance
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/m...nce-protesters-journalists-climate-kingsnorth

Why don't you give it a rest you muppet. Anyone that writes about "The Working Class" must be some sort of retard.

From your website "urban architectural bucolic landscapes & other abstract photography" -- you wot?!!

 

[e19896]

Why don't you give it a rest you muppet. Anyone that writes about "The Working Class" must be some sort of retard.

From your website "urban architectural bucolic landscapes & other abstract photography" -- you wot?!!

any person calls the working class a retard must be a muppet, go riot with the police then ask mother and farther to bail you out..

did you bother to look at the web page? oh just make the crass asumption you muppet?

 

[Yossarian]

Indeed plagiarised all to easy to say this bullshit ain't it, when the anarchists and others have been plagarising our class for years, then when we turn it back onto you lot, you all begin to spit out your dummies, now run along please back to Mommey and Daddy will you not dear Tabbatha and Tarquin.

Do you work in a job that qualifies you as working class, or are you just claiming to be working class by virtue of inheritance and thereby keeping Britain the last stronghold of feudalism?

 

[cesare]

enumbers, it does seem that you draw some fairly arbitrary lines re class. And in doing so, potentially alienate a lot of people including people that you'd probably consider working class yourself.

 

[SpookyFrank]

enumbers, it does seem that you draw some fairly arbitrary lines re class. And in doing so, potentially alienate a lot of people including people that you'd probably consider working class yourself.

^This. I've done summit mobilisation stuff in the past and the people involved were not middle class, nor were they working class. They were on my side and they were willing to put themselves at risk to try and make a stand against something they saw as fundamentally wrong. What's more, they were willing to look out for their own and to be a part of a better way of getting things done. In short I didn't give a fuck what class they were, it didn't make a blind bit of difference to me who their parents were or how they kept the wolf from the door. I judge people but what I see of them, not what the taxman sees of them.

 

[SpookyFrank]

I'm on the side of Peace and Quiet, and not on the side of "alienated youth" dressed in carefully chosen fashonable clothes trying to provoke a rammy with the police which will inevitably result in injuries. They're not all toffs, but enough of them are.

Not everyone in this world has the luxury of peace and quiet you know. The people attending the G20 summit could take huge steps towards rectifying this situation, but in reality they will do the opposite, just like they always do. The rich will fuck over the poor to make themselves richer. Are you really more upset about a few people (let's leave aside issues of who you think they are, besides to say that they're not all as fashion conscious as you might think) making a bit of a fuss and trying to make life a wee bit difficult for a bunch of world leaders than about the state this world is in and how the people with the lion's share of the power and resources repeatedly do nothing to change it?

Which is all very nice but I am convinced that most of what this is about is just Showing Off, and in particular the boys showing off to the girls who are daft enough to tag along. A Spectacle, as the original poster pointed out, but one that hurts people.

Convinced based on what? The papers? The internet? Or have you actually gone and had a chat with some of these people? Given your deeply suspect attitude that any females present will merely be 'tagging along' after their alpha-male overlords you might not find such an encounter particualrly pleasant on an ideological level but I think you might learn something nevertheless.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Come on, be frank when the toy Town Anarchist have done throwing their tantrums and the g20 lot have gone home, shall we wake on the day of the new dawn? of course not. What i need to ask is what all the protest is going to acheive, an honest question, and for those who say we do not hold a solution:

Anarchy is a word that comes from the Greek, and signifies, strictly speaking, "without government": the state of a people without any constituted authority.

Before such an organization had begun to be considered possible and desirable by a whole class of thinkers, so as to be taken as the aim of a movement (which has now become one of the most important factors in modern social warfare), the word "anarchy" was used universally in the sense of disorder and confusion, and it is still adopted in that sense by the ignorant and by adversaries interested in distorting the truth.

We shall not enter into philological discussions, for the question is not philological but historical. The common interpretation of the word does not misconceive its true etymological signification, but is derived from it, owing to the prejudice that government must be a necessity of the organization of social life, and that consequently a society without government must be given up to disorder, and oscillate between the unbridled dominion of some and the blind vengeance of others.

The existence of this prejudice and its influence on the meaning that the public has given to the word is easily explained.

Man, like all living beings, adapts himself to the conditions in which he lives, and transmits by inheritance his acquired habits. Thus, being born and having lived in bondage, being the descendant of a long line of slaves, man, when he began to think, believed that slavery was an essential condition of life, and liberty seemed to him impossible. In like manner, the workman, forced for centuries to depend upon the goodwill of his employer for work, that is, for bread, and accustomed to see his own life at the disposal of those who possess the land and capital, has ended in believing that it is his master who gives him food, and asks ingenuously how it would be possible to live, if there were no master over him?

More http://www.greenjacker.co.uk/ and did people just read and not go look at the links given i think so, oh how easy is it for you lot to sit in your fucking armchairs and slate others for lack of thought,have you not even botherd to think further than your own self fucking interest, i a have feeling this just might be.

Indeed plagiarised all to easy to say this bullshit ain't it, when the anarchists and others have been plagarising our class for years, then when we turn it back onto you lot, you all begin to spit out your dummies, now run along please back to Mommey and Daddy will you not dear Tabbatha and Tarquin.

Can I sit in my fucking armchair and slate you for lack of grammar?

 

[Bernie Gunther]

Fullyplumped is just a particularly repellent nuLabour loyalist and troll.

Its trolling MO is to be so insufferably smug and complacent as to cause involuntary projectile vomiting.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

I've no idea what e-numbers is on about though, but I'm genuinely interested.

 

[Brother Mouzone]

I on the side of anyone who wants to base our society on community interests, guided by values of solidarity, sympathy and concern for others.

Which certainly isn't the police or the G20 leaders.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Fullyplumped is just a particularly repellent nuLabour loyalist and troll.

Its trolling MO is to be so insufferably smug and complacent as to cause involuntary projectile vomiting.

He doesn't appear in my mental database of irritating U75 trolls (ajdown, alright etc) but that's probably because he's too boring to stick in my mind for very long

 

[stupid kid]

Which is all very nice but I am convinced that most of what this is about is just Showing Off, and in particular the boys showing off to the girls who are daft enough to tag along. A Spectacle, as the original poster pointed out, but one that hurts people.

The crusties just dress like that to get girls.

 

[editor]

Why the police riot (parts 1 - 8)
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/01/418797.html
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/01/419998.html
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/02/420982.html
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/02/421761.html
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/02/422077.html
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/02/422683.html
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/03/423404.html
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/media/2009/01//418801.pdf
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/media/2009/01//420000.pdf
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/media/2009/02//420984.pdf
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/media/2009/02//421762.pdf
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/media/2009/02//422079.pdf
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/media/2009/02//422685.pdf
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/media/2009/03//423405.pdf

And that link attack is precisely how *not* to get people interested and involved.

 

[e19896]

Can I sit in my fucking armchair and slate you for lack of grammar?

You said what you feel your point is, but i do not agree the following is nicked from Ian Bone

SPEAKERS AT TUC RALLY…….ZZZZZZZZZZ!

# Global Call to Action Against Poverty (GCAP) Co-chair Kumi Naidoo
# International Trade Union Confederation President Sharan Burrow
# Brendan Barber, TUC General Secretary
# Global justice author Susan George,
# Mary Turner, President of the GMB
# Environmentalist Tony Juniper
# Derek Simpson, UNITE Joint General Secretary
# Tony Woodley, UNITE Joint General Secretary
# Global justice campaigner, Mary Lou Malig, from Focus on the Global South


Nither do i desire to goto an organised riot on there terms, spend a day with the of Dear Tabbatha and Tarquin, informing me how wrong my life is, that skip raiding is realy Wadical and Cool Man, been there done chnaged nothing come home feeling deflated, alone isolated and full of guilt for being working class, there is so many times you bang your head upon the wall and then wonder about why you are in pain, i know the reply to this and do ask is your protest even one step towords the change the world needs of course not, now working towords makeing the middle class history just might be the grate leap forword, but as Billy Brag so rightly put it,

It may have been camelot for jack and jacqueline
But on the che guevara highway filling up with gasoline
Fidel castros brother spies a rich lady whos crying
Over luxurys disappointment
So he walks over and hes trying
To sympathise with her but he thinks that he should warn her
That the third world is just around the corner

In the soviet union a scientist is blinded
By the resumption of nuclear testing and he is reminded
That dr robert oppenheimers optimism fell
At the first hurdle

In the cheese pavilion and the only noise I hear
Is the sound of someone stacking chairs
And mopping up spilt beer
And someone asking questions and basking in the light
Of the fifteen fame filled minutes of the fanzine writer

Mixing pop and politics he asks me what the use is
I offer him embarrassment and my usual excuses
While looking down the corridor
Out to where the van is waiting
Im looking for the great leap forwards

Jumble sales are organised and pamphlets have been posted
Even after closing time theres still parties to be hosted
You can be active with the activists
Or sleep in with the sleepers
While youre waiting for the great leap forwards

One leap forward, two leaps back
Will politics get me the sack?

Here comes the future and you cant run from it
If youve got a blacklist I want to be on it

Its a mighty long way down rock n roll
From top of the pops to drawing the dole

If no one seems to understand
Start your own revolution and cut out the middleman

In a perfect world wed all sing in tune
But this is reality so give me some room

So join the struggle while you may
The revolution is just a t-shirt away
Waiting for the great leap forwards

One is still waiteing.

 

[Zachor]

You forgot the third side - "Couldn't give a shit".

My view isn't as definite as yours. I see good and faults on both sides on this one.

I dislike the bloated plutocrats just as much as the soap dodgers.

 

[Kaka Tim]

I'm on the side of Peace and Quiet, and not on the side of "alienated youth" dressed in carefully chosen fashonable clothes trying to provoke a rammy with the police which will inevitably result in injuries. They're not all toffs, but enough of them are.

I have worked out, thanks in part to reading accounts in this forum, that these "alienated youths" have a grievance about capitalism and the effects of globalisation on the oppressed peoples of the world, which motivates them take time out to travel to speak on behalf of the said oppressed masses who I hope are suitably grateful for the attention.

Which is all very nice but I am convinced that most of what this is about is just Showing Off, and in particular the boys showing off to the girls who are daft enough to tag along. A Spectacle, as the original poster pointed out, but one that hurts people.

Oh fuck off stoogey.

People are rightfully angry becasue all our futures have been spunked on pumping up an unsustainable boom which served meerely to furhter enrich the already obscenely wealthy. And this act of grand larceny was willingly aided and abbetted by the political party you so slavishly defend and promote.

I pretty sure that a large mob descending on the banks to vent their anger would chime with the feelings are many many people way beyond the usual lefty activist suspects - and thats exactly why I'm going.

 

[spring-peeper]

Oh fuck off stoogey.

People are rightfully angry becasue all our futures have been spunked on pumping up an unsustainable boom which served meerely to furhter enrich the already obscenely wealthy. And this act of grand larceny was willingly aided and abbetted by the political party you so slavishly defend and promote.

I pretty sure that a large mob descending on the banks to vent their anger would chime with the feelings are many many people way beyond the usual lefty activist suspects - and thats exactly why I'm going.

It's comments like yours that make me grateful that our banking system didn't fail. I'm not too sure what you are trying to accomplish, but good luck trying to relieve some of your anger.

 

[Kaka Tim]

You said what you feel your point is, but i do not agree the following is nicked from Ian Bone

SPEAKERS AT TUC RALLY…….ZZZZZZZZZZ!

# Global Call to Action Against Poverty (GCAP) Co-chair Kumi Naidoo
# International Trade Union Confederation President Sharan Burrow
# Brendan Barber, TUC General Secretary
# Global justice author Susan George,
# Mary Turner, President of the GMB
# Environmentalist Tony Juniper
# Derek Simpson, UNITE Joint General Secretary
# Tony Woodley, UNITE Joint General Secretary
# Global justice campaigner, Mary Lou Malig, from Focus on the Global South


Nither do i desire to goto an organised riot on there terms, spend a day with the of Dear Tabbatha and Tarquin, informing me how wrong my life is, that skip raiding is realy Wadical and Cool Man, been there done chnaged nothing come home feeling deflated, alone isolated and full of guilt for being working class, there is so many times you bang your head upon the wall and then wonder about why you are in pain, i know the reply to this and do ask is your protest even one step towords the change the world needs of course not, now working towords makeing the middle class history just might be the grate leap forword ..
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Yeah lets do nothing - that'll show em.

And lets pour scorn on anyone who is doing somehting becasue then the scales will fall from the eyes of the working classes in the blaze of your ideological purity. Or something ...