G20 London - April 2nd '09

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MI5 ALERT ON BANK RIOTS

Sunday March 1,2009
By Geraint Jones

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TOP secret contingency plans have been drawn up to counter the threat posed by a “summer of discontent” in Britain.

The “double-whammy” of the worst economic crisis in living memory and a motley crew of political extremists determined to stir up civil disorder has led to the *extraordinary step of the Army being put on *standby.

MI5 and Special Branch are targeting activists they fear could inflame anger over job losses and payouts to failed bankers.

One of the most notorious anarchist websites, Class War, asks: “How do you keep warm during the credit crunch? Burn a banker.”

Such remarks have rung alarm bells in Scotland Yard and the Ministry of Defence.

Intelligence sources said the police, backed by MI5, are determined to stay on top of a situation that could spiral out of control as the recession bites deep.

The chilling prospect of soldiers being drafted on to the streets has not been discounted, although it is regarded as a last resort

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/86981/MI5-alert-on-bank-riots

Anarchists plan City riots for G20 leaders' arrival in London
Robert Mendick and Nigel Rosser

Anti-globalisation activists are plotting a mass demonstration against bankers in the heart of the City, the Evening Standard can reveal.

Police are on full alert ahead of the protest, planned for 1 April - the day world leaders arrive in London for the G20 summit.

Thousands of demonstrators, including anarchists and anti-aviation activists, are planning a series of protests, aiming to capitalise on disenchantment with City financiers blamed for dragging the economy into recession.

The event, dubbed 'Financial Fools Day', is likely to cause mass disruption as demonstrators try to block traffic and buildings by lying in tents and sleeping bags across the road.

One source suggested the protest would include a "spectacular action". Organisers said on the Climate Camp website: "Join us for camping, workshops, protest, positive alternatives, direct action and community.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/stand...for+G20+leaders'+arrival+in+London/article.do

 

[e19896]

common ground?

sorry, but I think you fucked that one up when you said this...



which was kinda the point I was trying to make in case you missed it... going around spouting off about the middle class being the enemy and other similar crap is only ever going to alienate a fuckload of people, and leave you politically isolated and impotent.

attacking the puppets really isn't the best way to get to the puppeteers, especially when attacking the puppets only serves to dramatically increase the supply of puppets available to the puppeteers, and decrease your own support... if that's not too subtle an analagy for you.

so in your own crass nieveaty would this be..

 

[free spirit]

so in your own crass nieveaty would this be..

someone who believes they'll achieve anything by alienating and attacking the entire middle class of the country calling me naive...

let's see what the free spirit giveashitometer reading is...

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eta - btw just to put this into context for you, 55% of the UK's working age population is officially classified as middle class, so in in one go you manage to alienate 55% of the country... would you like me to reload that gun for you so you can shoot your other foot as well?

 

[e19896]

someone who believes they'll achieve anything by alienating and attacking the entire middle class of the country calling me naive...

let's see what the free spirit giveashitometer reading is...

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eta - btw just to put this into context for you, 55% of the UK's working age population is officially classified as middle class, so in in one go you manage to alienate 55% of the country... would you like me to reload that gun for you so you can shoot your other foot as well?

And do you think the public will agree with this protest, yes to some extent they will as most of the people passing through this area will be middle class, what would happen if this action was taking place in an area where much of the people was working class?

I know the reply at least this is what I think, from past experience of being involved they simply would laugh at the wankers..

No one has said what is the point of this protest as yet, plenty have said a load of bullshit, but not one real word on the aims objectives who is this appealing to has been said, from the so called people involved of course there are no leaders, you lot like to proclaim yourself as Anarchist when in truth, this has nothing to do with Anarchism.

But just a bunch of middle class scum, looking out for there own interest, and scapegoating the working class, if by the definition of some people on here, the people inside are workers therefore working class why are you lot harassing them, as said there not to blaim for this crises, so why not take it to who you say are?

Of course not, this about self important middle class scum, the very reason we find ourself in this crises is there greed and over consumption, and they have the gore to inform us the working class how wrong we are, inform those who speak up and out we are just ranting, there is no thought of logic to what we are saying.

like the protest and the middle class at the end of the day it is irrelevant and true I have shown some common path ive enaged with the scum, but you know I thought debate was a good place to begin, but seems to myself there is even less interest in this, and you say you desire to engage with the working class? fuck you lot are crass.

 

[free spirit]

And do you think the public will agree with this protest, yes to some extent they will as most of the people passing through this area will be middle class, what would happen if this action was taking place in an area where much of the people was working class?

I know the reply at least this is what I think, from past experience of being involved they simply would laugh at the wankers..

so on protests you've been involved with in the past in working class areas, the working class have laughed at you and your fellow protestors...

No one has said what is the point of this protest as yet, plenty have said a load of bullshit, but not one real word on the aims objectives who is this appealing to has been said, from the so called people involved of course there are no leaders, you lot like to proclaim yourself as Anarchist when in truth, this has nothing to do with Anarchism.

1 - Which of the 2 protests Ian Bone mentions are you talking about
2 - I'm not involved in either*
3 - I've not defended either protest on this thread, just pointed out that the crap you were spouting was counterproductive bollocks.

But just a bunch of middle class scum, looking out for there own interest, and scapegoating the working class, if by the definition of some people on here, the people inside are workers therefore working class why are you lot harassing them, as said there not to blaim for this crises, so why not take it to who you say are?

right, so the leaders of the G20 countries along with the leaders of the IMF and World Bank are all good solid working class heroes who bear no responsibility for the current situation....

get a grip will you.

Of course not, this about self important middle class scum, the very reason we find ourself in this crises is there greed and over consumption, and they have the gore to inform us the working class how wrong we are, inform those who speak up and out we are just ranting, there is no thought of logic to what we are saying.

I am attacking you personally, or more specifically the stuff that you personally have come out with. I am not attacking the working class generally, or attempting to stop any working class people from speaking up and saying their piece... can you see the difference?

like the protest and the middle class at the end of the day it is irrelevant and true I have shown some common path ive enaged with the scum, but you know I thought debate was a good place to begin, but seems to myself there is even less interest in this, and you say you desire to engage with the working class? fuck you lot are crass.

your idea of starting debate is to tell the other side of the debate that you intend to 'roast them' alongside the bankers, and riot through their neighbourhoods?

and again, an attack on you personally does not equate to an attack on the entire working class of this country.


*I probably would be involved if I wasn't on a temp contract that doesn't allow me any time off

 

[e19896]

so on protests you've been involved with in the past in working class areas, the working class have laughed at you and your fellow protestors...


1 - Which of the 2 protests Ian Bone mentions are you talking about
2 - I'm not involved in either*
3 - I've not defended either protest on this thread, just pointed out that the crap you were spouting was counterproductive bollocks.


right, so the leaders of the G20 countries along with the leaders of the IMF and World Bank are all good solid working class heroes who bear no responsibility for the current situation....

get a grip will you.


I am attacking you personally, or more specifically the stuff that you personally have come out with. I am not attacking the working class generally, or attempting to stop any working class people from speaking up and saying their piece... can you see the difference?


your idea of starting debate is to tell the other side of the debate that you intend to 'roast them' alongside the bankers, and riot through their neighbourhoods?

and again, an attack on you personally does not equate to an attack on the entire working class of this country.


*I probably would be involved if I wasn't on a temp contract that doesn't allow me any time off

No the ones with The Middle Class:

Counterproductive and The Middle Class and there protest are what?

No The i did not say any Leaders of The Imf/G20 are working class your lie not mine:

Yes you are attacking me, but i can deal with your bullshit, it matters not, just the same as The Middle Class.

To roast them, and when those involved with your side (i persume you suport this protest) say roast a banker is it not just banter, but when i say it you take it serious, thanks for the misrepersentation, but to be expected.

 

[ska invita]

And do you think the public will agree with this protest, yes to some extent they will as most of the people passing through this area will be middle class, what would happen if this action was taking place in an area where much of the people was working class?

Peoples perception of any act of civil disobedience is controlled by the media, so any talk of what the "wc" think of any G20 civil disobedience has to be considered in relation to how it is presented by the (capitalist) media.

Also, its not hapenning in a middle class or even working class area - its happening on some gated country hotel complex

, from past experience of being involved they simply would laugh at the wankers..

True in part, at times - doesnt make it right though. There is a historical failure by anyone who has ever acted against power to be laughed at by people who should be supporting them.. dont be so proud of the fact that some people laugh off protesters as idiots.

Its fair to say that there is a gap between protesters and the popular opinion, and that more work should be done to bridge that gap, Some of that gap is a class issue, but mainly its down to a lack of effort to engage on both sides, plus negative media coverage/ lack of positive coverage.

No one has said what is the point of this protest as yet, plenty have said a load of bullshit, but not one real word on the aims objectives who is this appealing to has been said, from the so called people involved of course there are no leaders, you lot like to proclaim yourself as Anarchist when in truth, this has nothing to do with Anarchism.

The point of big 'spectacle' demos lihe this has been gone over a lot - i still think they are worth doing, as part of a bigger programme of work. At the least they add to a sense of fuck the powers that be, and can be inspiring for many. but the argumetns go on...

But just a bunch of middle class scum, looking out for there own interest, and scapegoating the working class, if by the definition of some people on here, the people inside are workers therefore working class why are you lot harassing them, as said there not to blaim for this crises, so why not take it to who you say are?

errr.... thisll be an action against the g20 leaders, not against the working class

 

[cantsin]

I used to think you were just a bit overeager, now I see you're actually an utter cock who'd have fitted in well with the kamer rouge.

at this point in history when the vast majority of the middle class are more contemptuous of those at the top of the pile than they have been for at least a generation, it's perhaps a wee bit fucking stupid to decide that they are actually the enemy rather than looking at what common ground there might be to form a proper mass movement that can punch at or above it's weight to force some meaningful change.

all or nothing rhetoric is great if you want to be viewed as a ranting fool, but not so good if you actually want to achieve anything IMO.

where does history teach you that a w/c / m/c 'popular front' style approach to taking on Capitalism produces tangible results ? why would temporary / fleeting discenchantment on the part of sections of the m/c with the current ruling class make you think that m/c can be an effective part of the engine driving towards proper , structural/ long term change ?

just wondering ...

 

[kenny g]

Sorry, but this thread sums up how utterly shite U75 politics has become. Fortunately/ hopefully it is also entirely irrelevant.

 

[Raw SslaC]

Nothing will change for working class people without significant changes to the class structure!



So we are told by Ian Bone, come on comrade look towords whome you are joining forcess with, 25 years on from when The Miners’ Strike (1984–1985) began, these are the very people who are saying no new coal there the ones that brought you climate camp these people are not the new class war, there The Middle Class the very root of our problems.

When we RIOT it has to be on our terms, not on thers or the state, we need to RIOT THROUGH SUBERBIA and as well as roasting a fat banker or 2 we need to add more meat to the feast in the form of The Middle Class..

Why don't you lead by example, and if it works we join you. Until then your just a ranting loon.

 

[ska invita]

Seems that the venue is going to be the Excel Centre in the DOcklands:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ExCeL_Exhibition_Centre
...not the Grove in Watford like it says in the OP.

 

[Bakunin]

Seems that the venue is going to be the Excel Centre in the DOcklands:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ExCeL_Exhibition_Centre
...not the Grove in Watford like it says in the OP.

In theory that'll make it easier to get to.

In practice, what's the betting they shut the DLR (I think the DLR serves the Excel Centre) or something like that?

 

[DJWrongspeed]

saw this on another forum

reclaim the streets

like suddenly it's RTS ? not really at all, the iron fist must be gearing up propa for this one

 

[sleeper]

went to the docklands for dsei in 2004. After a marc joining RTS outside Macdonald's we ended up on the motorways...blockaded it and eventually surrounded by police.We were escorted down in into a small park. A very confusing area with plenty of small streets.

 

[ska invita]

saw this on another forum

reclaim the streets

like suddenly it's RTS ? not really at all, the iron fist must be gearing up propa for this one

i think that poster was just using it as a phrase maybe

isnt the may day smash edo gig in brighton being billed as RTS? certainly a street party