Furious driver takes out 50-strong cycle pack

[Crispy]

Ah good, devil's avocado Carry on!

 

[Giles]

the guy is clearly a cunt however isn't it usally the procyclign brigade on here who bang on and on and on about cars travelling to fast and too close to those in front to stop in an emergancy... perhaps as this arse was givign them hassel anyway it would have been a wise precaution to back off and slow down... after all if your going to fast to stop then it's your own fault....

This is nonsense.

The usual "the person behind is to blame, they were going too fast" rule does not apply if someone cuts in right in front of you and then slams on the brakes.

Think about it in a car-to-car situation: You are doing 60mph on a dual carriageway. You are carefully leaving a nice big gap between you and the car in front. However, another driver overtakes you and then swerves into your lane a few yards in front of your car, and immediately hits his brakes. You crash into him from behind.

Would you accept that this was your fault for "going too fast"?! I wouldn't....

To behave like this is intentionally dangerous.

And to do it to people on bikes is even worse because they are far more likely to suffer serious injury in the resulting accident.

This bloke should not be driving.

Giles..

 

[TopCat]

The car driver has deliberately caused harm to strangers and this is awful. However, he is not entirely to blame. The cyclists were riding too close to each other contrary to the highway code principle of "being able to stop in the distance you can see to be clear".

If you are slipstreaming the cyclist in front then no way are you riding safely.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

The car driver has deliberately caused harm to strangers and this is awful. However, he is not entirely to blame. The cyclists were riding too close to each other contrary to the highway code principle of "being able to stop in the distance you can see to be clear".

If you are slipstreaming the cyclist in front then no way are you riding safely.

welcome to the hiding to nowhere club chap...

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

This is nonsense.

The usual "the person behind is to blame, they were going too fast" rule does not apply if someone cuts in right in front of you and then slams on the brakes.

Think about it in a car-to-car situation: You are doing 60mph on a dual carriageway. You are carefully leaving a nice big gap between you and the car in front. However, another driver overtakes you and then swerves into your lane a few yards in front of your car, and immediately hits his brakes. You crash into him from behind.

Would you accept that this was your fault for "going too fast"?! I wouldn't....

To behave like this is intentionally dangerous.

And to do it to people on bikes is even worse because they are far more likely to suffer serious injury in the resulting accident.

This bloke should not be driving.

Giles..

in your senario then you clearly haven't left sufficent room for that evnetuality and weren't leaving the adiquate room for that potential and were therefore driving dangerously in the first place.

it isn't a right to travel down a dual carrageway at 60 mph you know...

travelling too fast for the conditions meaning that you crash into the vehicle in front is travelling to fast for the conditions the actual speed is immaterial.

it's very simple if you stick to the speed limits or go slower then you won't have accidents.

 

[Crispy]

Strictly speaking, topcat is right - the peloton is not an inherently safe riding position.

 

[TopCat]

Strictly speaking, topcat is right - the peloton is not an inherently safe riding position.

Whats a peloton?

 

[Crispy]

The big bunched up group of cyclists all slipstreaming the leaders. It's the standard way of racing road races - they take it in turns to lead.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Whats a peloton?

marathon on bikes innit... although it's quite boreing running round a bike for 26 miles...

 

[TopCat]

I would have to assert that riding in that manner is not reasonable on a public road without a motorcycle outrider.

He may have been frustrated by being stuck behind a mass of cyclists behaving in the manner of a deranged farmer drivin to Norwich on his tractor, and with riders slipping off the front of the pack and rejoining the back it would be very hard to safely overtake but lets not think I am trying to detract from his culpability, he deliberately set out to injure the cyclists, that is really bad.

 

[Poi E]

Yeah but these are aussie roads-loads of room.

 

[TopCat]

Yeah but these are aussie roads-loads of room.

There was not any significant room between the cycles, despite the size of the road. If one had a front wheel puncture/blowout for instance then they would bring down most of the pack. It would be as safe as being in a car that is on tow with a six inch rope. Think about it.

 

[Herbsman.]

There was not any significant room between the cycles, despite the size of the road. If one had a front wheel puncture/blowout for instance then they would bring down most of the pack. It would be as safe as being in a car that is on tow with a six inch rope. Think about it.

And this somehow makes the driver's actions justifiable, or makes this incident the cyclists' fault?

If this is the case then next time I see any driver acting in an irresponsible manner I'm going to stab them in the heart, because 'they were driving badly so they deserved it'.

 

[TopCat]

Perhaps cyclists should train somewhere else, like TT riders. IE not on the road.

 

[baldrick]

like where for instance?

these cyclists were road racers, they belong on the road.

you do talk a load of rubbish sometimes.

 

[TopCat]

like where for instance?

these cyclists were road racers, they belong on the road.

you do talk a load of rubbish sometimes.

Could you say why rather than just being rude?

Do you think cyclists should be able to use the roads as training grounds without paying heed to the highway code?

 

[keybored]

without paying heed to the highway code?

or indeed road tax.

(scarpers)

 

[baldrick]

Could you say why rather than just being rude?

Do you think cyclists should be able to use the roads as training grounds without paying heed to the highway code?

unless you're suggesting building roads purely for the use of cyclists to train on, which is highly impractical, there's nowhere else for them to go.

yes, they should obey the highway code, and i agree that they weren't in this case.

however, cyclists need to learn how to ride in big groups and to draft in a road race and the only way they can do that is by practising on real roads.

 

[TopCat]

I can't see how paying road tax relates at all to safety. I do think that a pack or peloaton of cyclists really need an outrider on a motorbike at the very least to keep them and other road users safe. If it is a really important sporting event they are training for, well perhaps close some roads for them to race around?

I can't really see how you can advocate the ignoring of very basic principles of the Highway Code simply because you like cyclists or argue they are training for an event.

 

[TopCat]

On a slightly different note, is it ok with you for me to train for the Isle of Man TT on roads local to you?

 

[internetstalker]

I hope the cunt gets murdered. Fucking prick.

what he said

Looks like he'll be paying a LOT of money to replace the carbon fibre bikes. This will kill him financially.

The article seemed to say that one of the injured is an aussie training for the olympics, and that this could disrupt his preparation...

... if this driver has jeapordised aussie sporting success they'll have to lock him up for his own safety...

 

[g force]

Why do you need to condition your body to ride a motorbike The IoM is well us to people riding the course as that's what you need to the learn...the track, the specific turns and braking not the riding of the bike.

Stupid analogy

 

[Giles]

in your senario then you clearly haven't left sufficent room for that evnetuality and weren't leaving the adiquate room for that potential and were therefore driving dangerously in the first place.

it isn't a right to travel down a dual carrageway at 60 mph you know...

travelling too fast for the conditions meaning that you crash into the vehicle in front is travelling to fast for the conditions the actual speed is immaterial.

it's very simple if you stick to the speed limits or go slower then you won't have accidents.

If someone cuts into your lane with no warning, and then slams on brakes, that's reasonable behaviour that you should anticipate, is it?

Nonsense......

Giles..

 

[TopCat]

So what other dangerous sporting activities should be allowed to happen in public places without any regard to the safety of the general public? Archery in the fucking high street?

Cyclists are just a geeky lobby group like the London Taxi Drivers Association.

 

[baldrick]

I can't see how paying road tax relates at all to safety. I do think that a pack or peloaton of cyclists really need an outrider on a motorbike at the very least to keep them and other road users safe. If it is a really important sporting event they are training for, well perhaps close some roads for them to race around?

how would an outrider have kept these cyclists safe? please explain, because it's an interesting point that i hadn't considered.

i'm no expert, but i would imagine that these training rides would last for many hours, most days of the week. closing roads and providing diversions could prove very expensive. who pays for that?

I can't really see how you can advocate the ignoring of very basic principles of the Highway Code simply because you like cyclists or argue they are training for an event.

i will admit that I have no sympathy whatsoever for this particular fuckwit driver and a lot of sympathy for these cyclists who are vulnerable road users.

 

[internetstalker]

Whats a peloton?

an ornamental glass made in Bohemia in the late 19th century, usually having a striated overlay of glass filaments in a different color.

 

[TopCat]

If someone cuts into your lane with no warning, and then slams on brakes, that's reasonable behaviour that you should anticipate, is it?

Nonsense......

Giles..

You have to be able to stop in the distance you can see to be clear. If that distance is six inches because you are riding in a pack then you are exposing yourself and other road users to unessecary danger.

 

[baldrick]

So what other dangerous sporting activities should be allowed to happen in public places without any regard to the safety of the general public? Archery in the fucking high street?

Cyclists are just a geeky lobby group like the London Taxi Drivers Association.

cycling is dangerous is it?

good lord hyperbole, much?

 

[TopCat]

how would an outrider have kept these cyclists safe? please explain, because it's an interesting point that i hadn't considered.

i'm no expert, but i would imagine that these training rides would last for many hours, most days of the week. closing roads and providing diversions could prove very expensive. who pays for that?

i will admit that I have no sympathy whatsoever for this particular fuckwit driver and a lot of sympathy for these cyclists who are vulnerable road users.

Can I suggest then that we simply enforce the law towards cyclists as we do to other road users IE no racing on the public highway?

 

[internetstalker]

So what other dangerous sporting activities should be allowed to happen in public places without any regard to the safety of the general public? Archery in the fucking high street?

Cyclists are just a geeky lobby group like the London Taxi Drivers Association.

now you're being rediculous!