Fundie leader suggests murdering Chavez on US TV
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EuroDude2006
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slaar said:
He was not a commie. He never joined the National Socialist German Workers Party out of conviction. He originally joined it as a spy for the new German republican government after WW1. He rejected proposals from party colleagues in the 20's to merge with the Communist party. His policies at first included confiscation of wartime profits and nationalisation, but later on when he needed support from business, he ditched the socialist policies in favour of a policy of opposing socialism and strikes, supporting free enterprise, and blaming the Jews and the Socialists for everything. It was Nazi policy that if Britain was conquered, leftwingers and liberals like Virginia Woolf were to be killed. Leftwingers in the Nazi party e.g. Ernst Rohm, were killed or jailed.
He used the Nazi Party as a ladder to power. When he became a full dictator in 1933, he pursued policies that could not possibly be described as socialist. He didn't set up collective farms, for example. He constantly condemned socialism and communism. As far as I am concerned fascism and socialism are both failed ideologies.
Personally, I consider National Socialism as a separate ideology from Socialism, dedicated to territorial-expansion and the extermination or enslavement of supposed "inferior" ethnic groups, and the suppression of leftwing people.
exosculate
a stagger with a beat
slaar said:
Who are you - another nutbar?
exosculate
a stagger with a beat
slaar said:
Apologies
I think its cos he's never read a book in his life.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
exosculate said:
He claims to have read thousands.
exosculate
a stagger with a beat
ViolentPanda said:
OK - so it was a half truth.
NB - Puffins are all communist on account of leg colour.
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
you forgot to say 'go figuire'.slaar said:
For the uninitiated; leadhead thinks hitler was a leftist despite
a) he sucked capitalist cock bigtime, and a third of the civilian part of his cabinet looked like a quoted boardroom
b) he declared the world's biggest war to date against dem dam' commies
c) his policies were 100% capitalist-militarist
d) he glorified the creed of private property
he was nevertheless a dam' commie because
a) the word 'socialist' featured in the party name
and
b) err....that's it.
exosculate
a stagger with a beat
Red Jezza said:
He apparently wore red underpants on a regular basis, a fact not widely known about.
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
whilst still being too illiterate to string a legible sentence together. hmmmm....interesting disorder there...ViolentPanda said:
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
exosculate said:
and he owned a sickle, for garden usage
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
we KNOW all this mate (psst; get yer irony detectors back up 'n' working!)EuroDude2006 said:
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
let's drag this one back on topic, after our resident idiot's derail;
now fuehrer Robertson says he was 'misinterpreted'
Jesus, watch him wriggle.
from
try to keep it on-topic people, leadhead is trying to derail....
g'night folks
now fuehrer Robertson says he was 'misinterpreted'
Jesus, watch him wriggle.
from
to
blithely disregarding, of course, the fact that Chavez has won both an election and a recall vote - that's one more totally fair election win than oooh...let me see.....
try to keep it on-topic people, leadhead is trying to derail....
g'night folks
elbows
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Recommended listening for this story: Broadway the Hardway by Frank Zappa.
More evidence that its the 80's again, in so many way, this album from 1988 or 1989 (i think) has plenty of tracks that relate to Robertsons kind, and to him specifically in a track or 2. Learn interesting things about his past.
Shudder at the realisation that this guy was a presidential candidate at some stage in the late 80's, maybe it was Bush senior that beat him to the republican ticket, I cant remember. Sigh as Mr Zappa ponders on what year such a religious nut could get into the Whitehouse, stopping the election before the year when some think it actually happened, 2000. Zappa died many years before the current neocon and evangelical revival, but Im finding these late 80s lyrics to be very interesting for analysing today, the news seldom goes back as far as the 80s, ooh the were so long ago (not), but if it feels like numerous reruns then it probably is, potentially in Latin America as well as the War on Terror, bringing me back to the actual topic of what Robertson actually said now.
lol, hes harmed his own cause, unless it was a deliberate threat. Now if Chavez gets bumped off in the future there will be more people who think the USA might be involved, as if there werent enough history already.
Anybody seen the excellent documentary called 'spin' or something like that? It featured loads of video footage of satellite feeds of US politicians, capturing and analysing some of their unbroadcasted moments. In one clip Robertson is shown as a guest on some TV program during a phone-in from members of the public. The caller asks him a question that is not nice to Robertson in some ideological way, and he clearly doesnt like it. Then we see him during a commercial break, talking to someone else, saying that that last phonecall must have been a homosexual and how theyve got it in for him. Theres other footage of him in the documentary, moments acidentally captured that confirm the image of the man.
On the otherhand in this instance you could say Robertson might be demonstrating a sort of brutal honesty that is uncommon in the modern world. He will be chastised and forced to defend himself because saying this stuff appears to be more unpallatable to western socieities than actually doing it, maybe, sometimes!
More evidence that its the 80's again, in so many way, this album from 1988 or 1989 (i think) has plenty of tracks that relate to Robertsons kind, and to him specifically in a track or 2. Learn interesting things about his past.
Shudder at the realisation that this guy was a presidential candidate at some stage in the late 80's, maybe it was Bush senior that beat him to the republican ticket, I cant remember. Sigh as Mr Zappa ponders on what year such a religious nut could get into the Whitehouse, stopping the election before the year when some think it actually happened, 2000. Zappa died many years before the current neocon and evangelical revival, but Im finding these late 80s lyrics to be very interesting for analysing today, the news seldom goes back as far as the 80s, ooh the were so long ago (not), but if it feels like numerous reruns then it probably is, potentially in Latin America as well as the War on Terror, bringing me back to the actual topic of what Robertson actually said now.
lol, hes harmed his own cause, unless it was a deliberate threat. Now if Chavez gets bumped off in the future there will be more people who think the USA might be involved, as if there werent enough history already.
Anybody seen the excellent documentary called 'spin' or something like that? It featured loads of video footage of satellite feeds of US politicians, capturing and analysing some of their unbroadcasted moments. In one clip Robertson is shown as a guest on some TV program during a phone-in from members of the public. The caller asks him a question that is not nice to Robertson in some ideological way, and he clearly doesnt like it. Then we see him during a commercial break, talking to someone else, saying that that last phonecall must have been a homosexual and how theyve got it in for him. Theres other footage of him in the documentary, moments acidentally captured that confirm the image of the man.
On the otherhand in this instance you could say Robertson might be demonstrating a sort of brutal honesty that is uncommon in the modern world. He will be chastised and forced to defend himself because saying this stuff appears to be more unpallatable to western socieities than actually doing it, maybe, sometimes!
EuroDude2006
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I wonder will these "anti hatred laws" apply to Pat Robertson if he visits the UK?
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
Well, they're clearly aimed at including and dealing with religious figures who advocate murder, so he's an ideal test of this legislation.EuroDude2006 said:I wonder will these "anti hatred laws" apply to Pat Robertson if he visits the UK?
He'd make lots of nice new friends to talk theology with at Belmarsh I'm sure.
Johnny Canuck3
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Bernie Gunther said:
He didn't make the comments in the UK.
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
Sure but that doesn't mean we can't arrest him if he ever comes here, or maybe kidnap him and then either hold him indefinitely without trial in Belmarsh or "render" him to someplace nice like Somalia. It's what the US would want us to do with any preacher who advocates terrorism, right?Johnny Canuck2 said:
Johnny Canuck3
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It seems to be what Robertson would do.
Johnny Canuck3
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You edited.
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
I think the new version is more entertaining, no?Johnny Canuck2 said:
Johnny Canuck3
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Bernie Gunther said:
Entertainment is in the eye of the beholder.
Have you been to bed yet?
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
In any case, his attempt to "explain" hasn't exactly helped, apparently he could have meant simply kidnapping Chavez instead of merely murdering him. Either way, he's obviously exactly the sort of preacher of terrorism who ought to be wearing an orange jump-suit instead of spewing his hatred on prime time telly.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
EuroDude2006 said:
I think you'll need to look at some of peebs' past posts to understand how this argument still has a tendency to rear its ugly head.
Peebs fantasy that the Nazis, and Hitler in particular, were 'leftists' stems from a poorly thought out, ideologically skewed work by John J Ray, an Australian 'academic' who has been providing the intellectual gravitas to the right's smear campaign. He writes for Horowitz's Front Page Magazine, which is proof in itself that he is working to an agenda.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=4087
What Ray and his supporters fail to understand is the essential difference between the corporatist nature of the fascist/Nazi state and the socialist desire to create a worker's state. Nazis and fascists had no desire to enfranchise workers. They only served one purpose and that was as cannon fodder.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Bernie Gunther said:
I'd like to see that happen. Robertson was the one who claimed that "Scotland is a dark place run by homosexuals". He won't be going to Scotland in a hurry anytime soon.
It did strike me that if he was in the UK Lord Inquisitor Clark could have the had the old bugger dragged off in chains. As under the new laws one: Cannot foment, justify, glorify terrorist violence in furtherance of particular beliefs. Bob could share a cell with Paisley; that would teach him.Bernie said:
That's nonsense, Scotland has a very long day in the height of summer.nino_savatte said:
nino_savatte
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I know, tell that Robertson and all the other geographically challenged loonspuds.
an interesting development
exosculate
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nino_savatte said:I know, tell that Robertson and all the other geographically challenged loonspuds.
He probably thinks Scotland is in Alaska
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