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Fundie leader suggests murdering Chavez on US TV

Seriously, though, Robertson has been drifting into the nutjob zone for a while. He's not got mainstream political clout, though he still has some influence.
 
pbman said:
Well Robinson is "old school" the only good commie is a dead commie. :p
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you mean ignorant, backward, bigoted, ill-informed and generally thick as shit?
do you actually KNOW what a 'commie' is, peabrain?
:rolleyes:

(N.B. I said 'know', not 'has found out how to use Google')
 
pbman said:
That was back in the day commies were killing everyone they didn't like, what do you expect?

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Protest Warrior, huh? They're no better than the brownshirts.
 
R.I.C.O. said:
Who are "Protest Warrior"? Do they have links to the US far-right?
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They do and I started a thread on this some time ago but it ended up in the bin. :mad:


Protest Warrior exist to cause trouble at anti-war marches. It is also their 'duty' to break up demos.

From their mission statement
War IS an ugly thing, but as long as nations and leaders exist that detest freedom, sometimes it is the only way to secure a lasting peace. Most leftist anti-war protesters and pundits don't understand this. They state that this use of force is always unnecessary -- that war, ANY war, is never good. Some of them, born into the luxury of American freedom, believe that liberty can exist passively, that somehow the world's natural state will always settle into utopian harmony. Others, in an attempt to absolve themselves from the unearned guilt they harbor living in a nation of prosperity and wealth, try to buy morality on the cheap by pronouncing themselves for the 'good'. To them, the derivation of the 'good' is based on a simple, yet peculiar standard: the powerful and competent are wicked, while the feeble and impotent are innocent - regardless of the context. That is why they defend Iraq instead of America, and the Palestinian "resistance" instead of Israel.
http://www.protestwarrior.com/
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This site aims to expose them, though I am not certain as to how successful they are.
http://www.rocknrev.com/pw/protestwarrior.html

"Concerned citizens" groups like this are nothing new in the US. But this particular group is redolent of Mussolini's blackshirts, who used violence to break up meetings and demonstrations. PW haven't used violence (yet0 but their tactics are both anti-democratic and anti-free speech.

Though they claim to be independent, the are still acting on behalf of the state - regardless of whether they are being funded by the state or not; and whether or not the state sanctions their activities. They are supportive of the national project and will not tolerate opposing points of view.
 
Venezuela responds

Via NY Transfer News Collective * All the News that Doesn't Fit

AP via MSNBC - Aug 23, 2005
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9047102/


Aug. 23: The founder of the Christian Broadcasting Network is under
fire for suggesting that the U.S. assassinate Venezuelan President
Hugo Chavez. "Today's" Natalie Morales reports.

Robertson calls for assassination

CARACAS, Venezuela - Venezuela's vice president on Tuesday accused
religious broadcaster Pat Robertson of making "terrorist statements"
by calling for the assassination of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez.

Vice President Jose Vicente Rangel said Venezuela was studying its
legal options, adding that how Washington responds would put its
anti-terrorism policy to the test.

"The ball is in the U.S. court, after this criminal statement by a
citizen of that country," Rangel told reporters. "It's huge hypocrisy
to maintain this discourse against terrorism and at the same time, in
the heart of that country, there are entirely terrorist statements
like those."

"This man cannot be a true Christian. He's a fascist," added
Venezuelan legislator Desire Santos Amaral. "This is part of the
policies of aggression from the right wing in the North against our
revolution."

Santos said she thinks U.S.-Venezuelan relations could still improve
but comments by "charlatans and fascists" like Robertson only get in
the way.

The Bush administration swiftly and unequivocally distanced itself
Tuesday from Robertson's statement. Secretary of Defense Donald H.
Rumsfeld, appearing at a Pentagon news conference, said when asked:
"Our department doesn't do that kind of thing. It's against the law.
He's a private citizen. Private citizens say all kinds of things all
the time."

Acknowledging differences with the Caracas government, and saying it
should be promoting democracy in the Western Hemisphere, State
Department spokesman Sean McCormack called Robertson's remarks
"inappropriate."

"This is not the policy of the United States government. We do not
share his views," McCormack said.

There was no immediate comment from Chavez, who was winding up an
official visit to Cuba on Tuesday.

Robertson, founder of the Christian Coalition of America and a former
presidential candidate, said Monday on the Christian Broadcast
Network's "The 700 Club" that it was the United States' duty to stop
Chavez from making Venezuela a "launching pad for communist
infiltration and Muslim extremism."

Chavez has emerged as one of the most outspoken critics of President
Bush, accusing the United States of conspiring to topple his
government and possibly backing plots to assassinate him. U.S.
officials have called the accusations ridiculous.

'It's a whole lot cheaper'

"You know, I don't know about this doctrine of assassination, but if
he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really
ought to go ahead and do it," Robertson said. "It's a whole lot
cheaper than starting a war ... and I don't think any oil shipments
will stop."

Venezuela is the fifth largest oil exporter and a major supplier of
oil to the United States. The CIA estimates that U.S. markets absorb
almost 59 percent of Venezuela's total exports.

Venezuela's government has demanded in the past that the United States
crack down on Cuban and Venezuelan "terrorists" in Florida who they
say are conspiring against Chavez.

Robertson, 75, accused the United States of failing to act when Chavez
was briefly overthrown in 2002. "We have the ability to take him out,
and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability,"
Robertson said.

"We don't need another $200 billion war to get rid of one, you know,
strong-arm dictator," he continued. "It's a whole lot easier to have
some of the covert operatives do the job and then get it over with."

Under fire in U.S.

Critics immediately objected to Robertson's statements.

"It's absolutely chilling to hear a religious leader call for the
murder of any political leader, no matter how much he disagrees with
such a leader's policies or practices," said the Rev. Barry Lynn,
executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and
State.

David Brock, president of Media Matters, a liberal media watchdog
group, said the remarks should discredit Robertson as a spokesman for
the religious right.

A Robertson spokeswoman, Angell Watts, said he would not do interviews
Tuesday and had no statement elaborating on his remarks.

Robertson has made controversial statements in the past. In October
2003, he suggested that the State Department be blown up with a
nuclear device. He has also said that feminism encourages women to
"kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and
become lesbians."

© 2005 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.
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Certainly I'd expect that he'd fall under the "extremist preaching" laws Blair would like to put on the UK statute book. So perhaps we may be treated to the spectacle of his arrest and trial if he ever enters the UK?

I'm sure he'd have a great time discussing theology with all the other guys currently being held in the "high risk" wing at Belmarsh. Or possibly they could "render" him to someplace nice like Somalia?
 
used to watch the 700 club years ago when i lived in florida appeared to be
an current affairs program doing some stories out of the media spotlight.Then it
cut to studio debate and it would link the story to the book of revelations madness cant believe anyone takes him seriously .
 
Johnny Canuck2 said:
Today, he's saying that he meant 'kidnap'.....
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Uh huh.

He's an increasingly erratic and irrelevant dinosaur, and it's good to see that there was a lot of swift response by people to distance themselves from him, but it's still a bit worrying that somebody like that can (a) own a fucking TV station in the first place (b) consider that it's a statement that could be acceptable in public at all and (c) still continue to be syndicated.

US coverage of Chavez is pretty appalling though. I remember that the NYT really fell right into Chomsky's image of it as a US foreign policy propaganda tool during the coup, and I don't see that anything's got much better, apart from Americans reading more foreign news sources these days.
 
pbman said:
No i don't like islamo facists. Or any other left wing nuts.
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I cannot believe you endlessly equate facism with the left. Even a basic understanding of Hitler would make it clear this was not the case. It was after all his alliance with Conservatives (i.e your lot) that got him into power in the first place. Read a decent book ffs, then perhaps you can finally jettison that piece of nonsensical belief from your head once and for all.
 
pbman said:
No i don't like islamo facists. Or any other left wing nuts.
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but you do like American ones, clearly! :rolleyes:
(and the guys who invented fascism saw it clearly as a 'rightist' thing, moron)
 
Red Jezza said:
but you do like American ones, clearly! :rolleyes:
(and the guys who invented fascism saw it clearly as a 'rightist' thing, moron)
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He thinks because they were called 'National Socialists' they were socialists, I presume he thinks neo-liberals are liberal too.
 
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