fucking linux and my fucking laptops modem

[tom k&e]

And perhaps pointing out that the only computers that have viruses are ones with a Microsoft OS or application on them (ie, Word Macro viruses).

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=27557

 

[boskysquelch]

The concern is that something may be inadvertantly downloaded to the ubuntu machine...then when sent on to the Windows machine the virus may be activated by coming through the Network...do you see what I mean?...I don't!!

as I said it not my set up..I'd be quite happy to risk it or accept there is little risk...but alot of data is flapped about here from others that have less able housekeeping abilities,,,and then theres my penchant for nipping throughto interesting places when noone's looking... ,,,,it was only the hermaphrodites site I'lll tells ya!

Anyways...thank you for all the suggestions/definitive answers...all a learning process eh?..something to pass onto the kids to when they ask.

 

[ecadre]

The concern is that something may be inadvertantly downloaded to the ubuntu machine...then when sent on to the Windows machine the virus may be activated by coming through the Network...do you see what I mean?...I don't!!

as I said it not my set up..I'd be quite happy to risk it or accept there is little risk...but alot of data is flapped about here from others that have less able housekeeping abilities,,,and then theres my penchant for nipping throughto interesting places when noone's looking... ,,,,it was only the hermaphrodites site I'lll tells ya!

Anyways...thank you for all the suggestions/definitive answers...all a learning process eh?..something to pass onto the kids to when they ask.

What may be inadvertently downloaded onto the Linux machine? By "magic" from a website? Sorry, Linux doesn't work like that and Linux doesn't run Windows executables.

Your Windows using friend is thinking, well, like a windows user. I think that you are as well. Not your fault, but there you are.

You still haven't said how the computers are "networked" or how they are supposed to be communicating.

 

[Pingu]

if they are networked then the network is only as secure as the weakest machine on that network

so if his friends windws machine is compromised then normal thinking is to assume that the whole network could be compromised. So in this the logic is sound.. windows machine becomes compromised.. its directly connected (via unprotected network) to linux\whatever machine.. assume linux machine is compromised too. In real world less liekly to happen in a home environment I admit but if one machie on the network is zombied etc then its afe to assume that the other machines havny gone unnoticed.

this is why you create a DMZ for public facing servers and protect your own internal network from your own machies which are more likely to be exploited.

 

[ecadre]

if they are networked then the network is only as secure as the weakest machine on that network

so if his friends windws machine is compromised then normal thinking is to assume that the whole network could be compromised. So in this the logic is sound.. windows machine becomes compromised.. its directly connected (via unprotected network) to linux\whatever machine.. assume linux machine is compromised too. In real world less liekly to happen in a home environment I admit but if one machie on the network is zombied etc then its afe to assume that the other machines havny gone unnoticed.

this is why you create a DMZ for public facing servers and protect your own internal network from your own machies which are more likely to be exploited.

The question here is whether putting Clamav onto a laptop running Linux, that is plugged into a router shared by Windows PC's, does anything to protect the Windows machines. My answer is no.

 

[boskysquelch]

You still haven't said how the computers are "networked" or how they are supposed to be communicating.

modem router DLink DSL 504T...what pingu says...will look at DMZ.(again it's not my system but am assisting in it's upkeep/upgrading in return for my upkeep/floor space.>>>I'll go do something else when I find somewhere to live,,, I also have quite a few friends who are NOT Internet inclined are positively anti M$ so I learn and pass on the info.


Main PC=Windows
This Thinkpad Lappy=Windows/Ubuntu dual
Another ToshibaLappy=Windows
Another PC=Windows/SuSe dual...

all ethernetted by RJ45 cable

The concern is I introduce something into the Network(downloaded form Net or from documents I receive via emailor from other computers I introduce via flash sticks/cards/phone/SlSk(go Nicotine eh?) via the Another PC or Tosh...not that I have but I maybe able to...or through use of Thinkpad I may inadvertantly introduce something to the Network which that then could be used maliciously if made available to the Main Windows PC if material is taken form the Main PC via the network...worked on on the Thinkpad in Windows and then returned to the WIndows main PC....a LOT of MSWord docs fly around from all over Europe/US from here to here and away from here with revisions etc...

Again, thanks for the keen response.

 

[boskysquelch]

My answer is no.

So has mine been,,,but just doing what i was asked todo...and in turn learning to understand and injest and respout*.


* bottom line is the paranoia/frustration with antivrii apps their updates etc...the Windows system was using AVG but there were so many "apparent' conflicts with the ISP( I reckon it's standard tech support blabbage now.."Problem Sir?....are you usin' AVG?") now AntiVir on all machines currently running Windows.

 

[Pingu]

it may provide limited protection by detecting stuff after it has infected the windows machine and is looking for other machines to have a pop at (e.g. sasser type activity).

in effect you would be using it as a sort of IDS sensor.

not much use for the infected windows machine though

so my answer is

yes.. but very limited


if you want to protect the network more by using a linux machine use squid or something to provide a proxy\firewall\mailserver with the av scanning files downloaded that way

 

[jæd]

* bottom line is the paranoia/frustration with antivrii apps their updates etc...the Windows system was using AVG but there were so many "apparent' conflicts with the ISP( I reckon it's standard tech support blabbage now.."Problem Sir?....are you usin' AVG?") now AntiVir on all machines currently running Windows.

And so another reason to move away from a Microsoft o/s.

 

[Pingu]

And so another reason to move away from a Microsoft o/s.

sadly tell a lot of isps tech support that you are running linux (or in one case herer solaris) and it all goes very quiet...

 

[ecadre]

sadly tell a lot of isps tech support that you are running linux (or in one case herer solaris) and it all goes very quiet...

As a generalisation this is probably true. However, I had a problem the other week with my Demon broadband and when I rang to see what was going on, they suggested stuff and didn't bat an eyelid (down the telephone ) when I told them I was using Linux and an "unsupported router".

You never know do you?

It turned out that the problem was at their end (login stuff) and it magically solved itself about 30 minutes later.

 

[ecadre]

it may provide limited protection by detecting stuff after it has infected the windows machine and is looking for other machines to have a pop at (e.g. sasser type activity).

in effect you would be using it as a sort of IDS sensor.

not much use for the infected windows machine though

so my answer is

yes.. but very limited


if you want to protect the network more by using a linux machine use squid or something to provide a proxy\firewall\mailserver with the av scanning files downloaded that way

I think that is how Clamav is meant to be used.

 

[jæd]

sadly tell a lot of isps tech support that you are running linux (or in one case herer solaris) and it all goes very quiet...

Always pretend to use Windows + IE. Makes life a lot easier...

 

[ecadre]

modem router DLink DSL 504T...what pingu says...will look at DMZ.(again it's not my system but am assisting in it's upkeep/upgrading in return for my upkeep/floor space.>>>I'll go do something else when I find somewhere to live,,, I also have quite a few friends who are NOT Internet inclined are positively anti M$ so I learn and pass on the info.


Main PC=Windows
This Thinkpad Lappy=Windows/Ubuntu dual
Another ToshibaLappy=Windows
Another PC=Windows/SuSe dual...

all ethernetted by RJ45 cable

The concern is I introduce something into the Network(downloaded form Net or from documents I receive via emailor from other computers I introduce via flash sticks/cards/phone/SlSk(go Nicotine eh?) via the Another PC or Tosh...not that I have but I maybe able to...or through use of Thinkpad I may inadvertantly introduce something to the Network which that then could be used maliciously if made available to the Main Windows PC if material is taken form the Main PC via the network...worked on on the Thinkpad in Windows and then returned to the WIndows main PC....a LOT of MSWord docs fly around from all over Europe/US from here to here and away from here with revisions etc...

Again, thanks for the keen response.

Please, please, please try to order your thoughts and then use some sort of punctuation, paragraphs, anything to clearly express them. This "stream of consciousness" stuff is hard work and half the time I can't understand what you're going on about.

I'm not talking about perfect spelling or grammar, just give us a chance to understand your question and then you'll get more useful answers.

 

[Pingu]

Please, please, please try to order your thoughts and then use some sort of punctuation, paragraphs, anything to clearly express them. This "stream of consciousness" stuff is hard work and half the time I can't understand what you're going on about.

I'm not talking about perfect spelling or grammar, just give us a chance to understand your question and then you'll get more useful answers.

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[ecadre]

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OK, I know, I know, I've seen far worse

 

[boskysquelch]

OK, I know, I know, I've seen far worse

It was answer to your enquiry as to how this Network was set up...not a question...

Anyway, in the meatime I've set up my own PC/lappy networked corner of the house....and will leave ubuntu alone for a few days now.

Thanks again for all the help.

 

[jæd]

It was answer to your enquiry as to how this Network was set up...not a question...

Yes, but make it clear and concise. We are not going to bother with gibberish...

 

[boskysquelch]

Yes, but make it clear and concise. We are not going to bother with gibberish...

Thank-you for making that clear.

 

[Drarok]

sadly tell a lot of isps tech support that you are running linux (or in one case herer solaris) and it all goes very quiet...

Yeah, I get that a lot. I only have a Mac, and a router.
The ISP support expect me to have a Windows PC connected directly to my cable modem.

Them: "Can you get to a command prompt and type 'ipconfig /renew' ?"
Me: "No, but I can renew the DHCP lease on my router."
Them: "Sorry, sir. Dee Aytch what?"
Me: "Dee Aytch See Pee!"
Them: "If your language continues like this sir, I'll have to end the call."
Me: "!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

 

[Pingu]

Yeah, I get that a lot. I only have a Mac, and a router.
The ISP support expect me to have a Windows PC connected directly to my cable modem.

Them: "Can you get to a command prompt and type 'ipconfig /renew' ?"
Me: "No, but I can renew the DHCP lease on my router."
Them: "Sorry, sir. Dee Aytch what?"
Me: "Dee Aytch See Pee!"
Them: "If your language continues like this sir, I'll have to end the call."
Me: "!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

for a giggle try explainiung to them how you are trying to do a zone transfer with their DNS servers...

 

[Drarok]

Pfft, they wouldn't know what a DNS server was or even did.