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fucking linux and my fucking laptops modem

Throbbing Angel

Throbbing Angel

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Right

been at this for 2 days now on and off :mad:

Toshiba 'Equium' A60 [satellite] lappy with the usual software modem in it - Windoze XP's device manager shows it as 'TOSHIBA Software modem' the details given are that it is manufactured by Agere, on COM3 and using IRQ 17

so

trying to get either of my Ubuntu [5.04] or Knoppix [3.9] LIVE CD's to get on to the fucking internet - im-bastard-possible

I have Ubuntu on a desktop too, also unable to get that fucker on the fucking web either.
Forums all give same set of instructions [go thru PPPconfig etc blah] been there and done that and it don't fookin' work

How am I to make the switch if I can't get online - assuming that the modem is not linux friendly? I know there are issues with Winmodems/Linmodems & linux but fuck me, come on. There has to be some way of getting it to work????



Anyone here give me any useful advice?

Don't wanna use an external modem btw, kinda defeats the object of having a laptop/portable computer n'est pas?




otherwise I am finding linux fine, using applications, office, etc etc, getting online is the only issue with both computers
 
Throbbing Angel said:
why?

I can't even get the modem recognised/up & running/dialling out yet!

Wanadoo over a standard BT dial up connection
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Sorry I misunderstood the problem you're having. A while ago I installed linux and had real problems trying to access the internet. It turned out that my ISP at the time - tiscali broadband - didn't support linux, or rather the modem they supplied didn't support it. Got right pissed off and gave up on it in the end.
 
ahhh right
I see

Ain't even got that far yet matey - but am close to binning the umpteen linux disks I have accumulated
 
lobster said:
what is actually the problem?
are u using the isp modem?
are u using wireless?
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Ubuntu cannot see, nor be 'told' to see the modem in my Laptop - so when I try and configure dial up - it doesn't! :(

Knoppix seems to see the modem in the laptop but cannot for some reason configure the dial up acct without hanging/failing - the modem is there under the knoppix device manager [whereas Ubuntu just has loads of unknown devices :rolleyes:] but can't use it or something

I have tried the instructions below from various posts on an Ubuntu help forum to no avail....

Go to your terminal and type 'sudo pppconfig'. Follow the instructions to set up a 'provider' account. If you don't know your modem port, I think you can tell the computer to auto-detect it. If you need to specify your ISP's DNS, make sure you choose 'Static' at this option. Otherwise I think choosing 'Dynamic' will make the modem autodetect it during the handshake with the ISP.
Upon doing that, I personally had problems using the 'pon' 'poff' terminal commands. Instead, I went to System >> Networking.
Open the properties under 'Modem', tick 'this device is configured', enter the phone number and your account details.
Then you should be able to dial out. Let me know if it doesn't work.


That's alright. Just make sure your modem is switched on and plugged into one of (probably two) ports in the back of the machine.
If you run pppconfig and follow the steps it should be alright. It might depend on what type of protocol you use to dial (pap, chap, etc). I personally use PAP. Then all I have to do is put in my account name, and my password. I had my DNS (nameservers) so I put them in manuall using 'Static'. Modem speed 115200 or whatever it is.
You can also try to change the port: from either ttyS0 or ttyS1 usually.
If the configuration is right, you should be able to go to your Networking menu, fill in the details (number and account again) and press activate.
I'm writing this from memory by the way, since I am at work and under the Microsoft chains


When you go to the terminal and type sudo pppconfig and it starts the config program -- how far do you get? The trick sometimes with pppconfig is moving around the menus - if you simply press 'enter' after typing, sometimes it thinks you've finished. if you get to the end of the config and it presents you with a little summary, make sure you choose 'Finished write files and return to menu' and then exit the program.
According to the ubuntu guide you can then run in the terminal 'sudo pon (your provider name - probably just 'provider' if you left it as the default).
Chances are if you haven't got this far, it's probably just the configuration. Have you got your login, your ISP's phone number, the DNS if possible? All the basics?

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Alright here is a guideline for pppconfig:
1. Open your terminal
2. type sudo pppconfig (then password if prompted)
3. Choose 'Create Create a Connection' - press TAB to OK and then Enter
4. Give it a name (may as well leave it as 'provider' press TAB to OK then Enter
5. Configure DNS: If you know your nameservers (you can call your ISP and ask), go to 'Static', press spacebar to * it, tab to OK then Enter. Otherwise go to Dynamic and press spacebar, TAB to OK then Enter.
6. (assuming you chose Dynamic) Choose the protocol (your ISP can tell you, I would take a guess at PAP) TAB to OK then Enter
7. enter your login name i.e '[email protected]' TAB to OK then Enter
8. enter your password, TAB to OK then Enter
9. enter modem speed (I would leave it at 115200), TAB to OK then Enter
10. enter method of dialing (spacebar to * (i use tone)), TAB to OK then Enter)
11.enter in the ISP's phone number to dial, TAB to OK then Enter
12. you can choose to have your modem identified automatically, or TAB to No and choose the port yourself
13. go down to 'Finished Write files and return to main menu.' TAB to OK then Enter
14. OK
15. Go down to 'Quit Exit this utility', TAB to OK then Enter
16. Now you can either type into the terminal 'sudo pon provider' (sometimes for me it doesn't work first go (modem doesn't activate), try it a couple of times
Or if 'sudo pon provider' doesn't work, you can go to 'System >> Administration>> Networking>> choose the modem, go to Properties
'Enable This Connection', tick the box
Enter phone number, username and password (same as before). Click on the 'Modem' tab and identify the port.
After that, click OK and then 'Activate'. It ought to work, if not, let me know and I will try to think of something else I might've forgotten
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I am not using wireless, and I dunno what you mean by 'isp modem' :confused:
 
Throbbing Angel said:
Right

been at this for 2 days now on and off :mad:

Toshiba 'Equium' A60 [satellite] lappy with the usual software modem in it - Windoze XP's device manager shows it as 'TOSHIBA Software modem' the details given are that it is manufactured by Agere, on COM3 and using IRQ 17

so
(snip)
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You've got a software modem.
You need to be running the software drivers for it.

http://justlinux.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-136644.html

seems to be someone getting the same hardware to work.
 
I'd like to say that you'll be able to get it running eventually, but that wouldn't necessarily be true I'm afraid. There are workarounds, but a lot of winmodems just do not work with Linux. Granted, that's less of a problem these days what with broadband being more common, but if you have to use dialup it's an utter pain. My last x86 laptop I simply could not get the winmodem working under Mandrake, and I ended up buying an external.

Some modems can be gotten to work. My advice is to get as much information as possible about the modem from the XP device manager, and then google on the model, manufacturer etc; even apparently identical modems can have some small difference that means you have to use one tweak rather than another.
 
*groan* No. He's not. He's using a laptop with a built in modem. It's a winmodem. They don't have linux drivers and they don't provide information for people to write drivers for them. Okay?
 
Yep -- highly unlikely that the modem will run under linux. Save time and go and buy an external one.
 
FridgeMagnet said:
*groan* No. He's not. He's using a laptop with a built in modem. It's a winmodem. They don't have linux drivers and they don't provide information for people to write drivers for them. Okay?
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Some winmodems have drivers for Linux.

I posted a link to a thread where someone gets that Toshiba's modem to work under Linux.

:)
 
b0ll0cks to this, I'm sticking with windoze

hmmm
I think that guy is on about using an external modem with his latop, but cheers anyway rich!

jaed - hmmm, laptop+external modem=pain in the arse innit

I think jaed & Fridgemagnet are right with their 'it probably won't work under linux' vibe.

I've read a shit load of stuff today in relation to agere/lucent modems and linux and winmodem/linmodem/software modem theory/experiences etc etc etc

it's a fackin' nightmare - the whole point, if you ain't a techy anyway, is that you just wanna boot up and get on with it, which is what I wanna do. Don't wanna have to start dragging an external modem from bedroom to sofa, to desk and back again so I can use linux. I am stuck with dial up for at least the next 4 months in this flat next to the fackin' moors. I do have an external modem lying around, but as I say I wanna just be able to gerronwi'it! Not start pissing about - I will have a go with the desktop in the living room with Ubuntu & the external modem, I know when last played with Ubuntu on that desktop - it couldn't see/find the PCI card based modem, which I found odd.

Anyway - cheers for the input people, I'll no doubt be asking again in a few months!

Throbbing Angel
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rich! said:
Some winmodems have drivers for Linux.

I posted a link to a thread where someone gets that Toshiba's modem to work under Linux.

:)
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What you get, in some cases, is a situation where somebody has hacked together a driver that kinda works. Sometimes this might mean that you can't get any sound at the same time as using the modem. The manufacturers don't provide the necessary details so that people can do their work for them for free because... uh... I don't know, they're cunts, that's the only explanation I can come up with.
 
Signal 11 said:
It might work with the SmartLink driver:

Ubuntu's instructions for installing it are here. Some more info here and here.
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cheers Signal, I did see some references to this SmartLink driver working in some cases [and not working in some cases too] I suppose the thing is for me to try and see what happens huh? I think I am suffering from 'attempt apathy' or summat!

Fridge - you mention it being easier on Broadband than on dial up - why's that? Never used BBand y'see so have no idea what the crack is
 
Broadband, you can just get a router and use an ethernet connection. Plug your Linux box into a router and it will work without you doing anything. The distro will understand exactly how your network card works.

Similarly, if your distro works with your wireless card (and it is likely to) all you do is just turn it on and connect. I've never had any problems with Linux machines connecting via ethernet or wireless. My iBook running Ubuntu is a gem when it comes to using the Airport card, no problems at all.

It's just fucking winmodems that are the problem. I do understand your pain, I was in the exact same position a couple of years back, endlessly swearing at the fucking thing, trying all sorts of remedies. If you really need dialup access I'd get an external modem right now, it will save you so much hassle and they're quite cheap.
 
cheers FM
I get ya now, it'll treat the bband connection like a network connection innit, and I gather from what I've read, and as you say, it's easier by a damn mile.

The lappy is already seeing the ethernet card, guess I'll wait a while and se i fthe next flat I'm in is bband friendly huh

pip pip
 
FridgeMagnet said:
Broadband, you can just get a router and use an ethernet connection. Plug your Linux box into a router and it will work without you doing anything. The distro will understand exactly how your network card works.
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So if I was to install one of the linux packages now then buy a cheap router then plug my broadband connection in the back it would automatically install and be ready to use - plug and play style?
 
FridgeMagnet said:
Broadband, you can just get a router and use an ethernet connection. Plug your Linux box into a router and it will work without you doing anything. The distro will understand exactly how your network card works.
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Not necessarily.

Knoppix didn't recognise by old machine's NIC, even after considerable arsing around. Friends have had similar problems.
 
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this'll do it I assume?
assume this is powered by the USB port too?
 
jayeola said:
never had a problem with NICs myself and I've tried a few distros. From what I've read winmodems are a PITA.
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I've bumped into one or two NICs that have problems but they're one or two in zillions of ones that have been ok.
 
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