Fucking AR loonies continue to try and blow people up

[ch750536]

But civilians are 'linked' to warring sides (e.g. historically perhaps most often by nationality)

Were all british here bud.

civilians are non-combatants.

Were all non combatants here bud.

I think you'll either need to try harder to include the kids of company executives as active participants or have the moral courage to face up to and defend your support for the threats against/attacks on family members.

Shit can happen. He was on holiday.

It can be done. Just have the honesty to do it rather than trying to hide behind some linguistic sleight of hand.

some what?

 

[ch750536]

Well so far on this thread where we have discussed these issues we've found that at least 2 posters suport the use of violent DA as a means of achieving change, which is interesting given the general tone shown towards state or capital usign violence to achieve it's aims, not to mention showing an interesting dichotomy that they are prepared to injure or kill humans to show compassion towards animals.

Not that interesting. How many supported either the IRA or the british army?

 

[james_walsh]

An often misunderstood word. We are using a military term to describe one group of people so lets expand what you have started.

Civilians being people not linked to either warring side leads that the enemy are not civilians.

Therefore, HLS & Co are the aggressors who we will 'correct' through military means as political means have failed.

Somebody get this loony tune a straight jacket and give him(/her) home with padded walls.

I won't give a fuck if the govt. bought in a shot to kill policy for you, but i guess it should be mental health.

Ps Larry , one of your friends, that we should be nice to?

pps ch750536- have your killed all the members of your family that eat meat/use modern medicine , otherwise stfu.

 

[ch750536]

And you will lose, badly. Jesus Christ, do you not know any history at all?

Jesus threads in the General forum.

 

[sihhi]

William of Walworth- you also assumed that some people here would be out hypocrisy-hunting accusing you of hypocrisy because you supported vivisection but were a vegetarian.

I've also been a vegetarian all my life, I shudder to think what some of the more indignant people on this thread think of that!

I didn't mean to insult you. (No I don't think all vegetarians try to convert people).

A speciesist is someone who makes a difference between the worth of lower species and humans- it's in the dictionary.

 

[ch750536]

Somebody get this loony tune a straight jacket and give him(/her) home with padded walls.

I won't give a fuck if the govt. bought in a shot to kill policy for you, but i guess it should be mental health.

Ps Larry , one of your friends, that we should be nice to?

If (in doubt)
{
spit dummy
hurl abuse
talk shit
}else
{
make good argument
}else
{
go somewhere less scary
}

 

[james_walsh]

If (in doubt)
{
spit dummy
hurl abuse
talk shit
}else
{
make good argument
}else
{
go somewhere less scary
}

Seems to work for you. im off to off some cows now.

 

[october_lost]

Maybe it's because animal research isn't a left/right issue, and there are plenty of targets of animal rights DA that aren't multinationals. Nothing like prejudging the fucking issue.

On the contray capital demands to some extent, animal exploitation, I would therefore suggest, its very much a radical and left wing issue. And many movements have contrasts to them, just because some AR types insist on smashing the local butchers windows, doesnt mean that animal liberation isnt important in bringing about other

 

[redsquirrel]

On the contray capital demands to some extent, animal exploitation, I would therefore suggest, its very much a radical and left wing issue.

And I and plenty of others would disagree, the "exploitation" of animals could occur under any social system. Capital demands to some extent all knids of things, that doesn't make those activities things to be opposed (at least not a priori).

 

[redsquirrel]

Could you actually explain what the above means ..as you have lost me and i suspect a lot of others.....ENGLISH PLEASE..

An incendiary device was also placed at a sports pavilion in Oxford owned by Corpus Christi College as a protest against a primate laboratory being built by the university. The bomb failed to properly explode.

This could have hurt a passer by.
And I'll start taking english lessons from you when you (1) learn what sentences are, (2) understand how question marks work.

 

[In Bloom]

As far as I am aware no one as ever been killed by the ALF or any of the paramilitary wings of the AR movement, most AR activity, incuding that by the ALF is actually non-violent, so this is in fact yet another crass thread by the AR-hating fringe group on Urban75.

If you people want to discuss something, then Im all ears....but this thread isnt the obvious place....im just mythed why it is, that some quite seemingly radical people on here somehow always manage to come to the defense of multinationals just because we start talking about the status of animals.....nothing like consistency

Its not even so much about the animal experimentation for me, its the fact that these cunts are targetting ordinary people who have absolutely nothing to do with vivisection:

An incendiary device was also placed at a sports pavilion in Oxford owned by Corpus Christi College as a protest against a primate laboratory being built by the university. The bomb failed to properly explode.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

Were all british here bud.

Were all non combatants here bud.

Shit can happen. He was on holiday.

some what?

Can anybody translate this into English please?

Cheers - Louis Mac

 

[cemertyone]

So something to put to military use hurt some people. Dog bites man story.

James why do you have to cross swords with me every time love.....
First off, are you denying that the very same industry that produced "Agent orange" is any different from the twats that tourture animals in the name of SCIENCE....oh and profit...
Why don`t you ask the people of South East Asia about the so-called "military Use" ( your words kid not mine) effects of the best practice that the bio-medical industry can offer....it`s agent organge yesterday..its HLS today and some other fucking USA based profit group tomorrow.
I personally think the actions of the people oppossed to HLS et al are fucking spot on..in fact i seriously think they should actually go futher than where they are at.....

 

[kyser_soze]

Its not even so much about the animal experimentation for me, its the fact that these cunts are targetting ordinary people who have absolutely nothing to do with vivisection:

BUT..they do by virtue of being the husbands, wives and children of THE EVIL!!!

Y'see, they aren't ordinary people like you or I. Because of their connections they are ANIMAL HATING MURDERERS and deserve a good kicking/firebombing for it.

As far as I am aware no one as ever been killed by the ALF or any of the paramilitary wings of the AR movement, most AR activity, incuding that by the ALF is actually non-violent, so this is in fact yet another crass thread by the AR-hating fringe group on Urban75.

I don't think ALF has come up here once - we're talking about people prepared to use violence and intimidation as a means of achieving their ends and those on U75 who condone their actions, tacitly or overtly.

While I accept there is an ongoing need for medical experimentation I would like to see it done away with when it's possible, just as I would prefer better treatment for farm animals. What that doesn't mean is that I think it's acceptable to threaten and intimidate people based on what someone in their famliy does.

The other thing about HLS is even if they do close down because of your 'action' all that'll happen is that the testing facility will switch overseas - be funny to see if these AR activists bravery extends to engaging in the same kind of protest overseas in countries who have a different atitude to both human and animal rights and the relative roles the species play on the planet...

And of course that all those who support a complete ban on animal experiments would never have any medical treatment or drug that had previously been tested on an animal and that they would also prevent their families from doing so. I don't mean stuff that's from 30- years ago, I mean recent stuff, like Parkinson's treatments and stuff like that.

 

[ch750536]

Can anbody translate this into English please?

Cheers - Louis Mac

Any response? Better at English yet?

 

[ch750536]

And of course that all those who support a complete ban on animal experiments would never have any medical treatment or drug that had previously been tested on an animal and that they would also prevent their families from doing so. I don't mean stuff that's from 30- years ago, I mean recent stuff, like Parkinson's treatments and stuff like that.

Care to take the GPT (Granny Pill Test)?

 

[Bob_the_lost]

Any response? Better at English yet?

No, we've all given up too.

*Goes back to read it for a fourth time*

 

[tobyjug]

As far as I am aware no one as ever been killed by the ALF or any of the paramilitary wings of the AR movement,

Only more by luck than judgement. The number of people scared shitless by terrorist tactics and the many £millions of damaged caused, (second only to the IRA on the British mainland) makes Animal Rights terrorists as dangerous as any others. (Even the IRA never threatened nursery schools).

 

[cemertyone]

The other thing about HLS is even if they do close down because of your 'action' all that'll happen is that the testing facility will switch overseas - be funny to see if these AR activists bravery extends to engaging in the same kind of protest overseas in countries who have a different atitude to both human and animal rights and the relative roles the species play on the planet...
.

No dis-respect to you Kyser our kid BUT BUT BUT that`s the same fucking one dimensional going no where argument that the defenders of DESI use...what`s happens outside the confines of the UK`s geographical boarders is for other governments to be concerned about, lets deal with whats happening here first and then work towards sorting other states out after that....cheers....

 

[ch750536]

No, we've all given up too.

*Goes back to read it for a fourth time*

Louis Mac, you look different.....Is it a new haircut?




Nope, its someone answering for you.
Thanks anyway but I'll wait for their response.

 

[Bob_the_lost]

No dis-respect to you Kyser our kid BUT BUT BUT that`s the same fucking one dimensional going no where argument that the defenders of DESI use...what`s happens outside the confines of the UK`s geographical boarders is for other governments to be concerned about, lets deal with whats happening here first and then work towards sorting other states out after that....cheers....

Well the DESI thing was a waste of time, but there's a thread for that somewhere.

 

[Bob_the_lost]

Louis Mac, you look different.....Is it a new haircut?




Nope, its someone answering for you.
Thanks anyway but I'll wait for their response.

Ok, wait for the same answer from someone else if it makes you feel better. Your english made peebs look like the poet laureate.

 

[kyser_soze]

Yeah, and that's the usual wank answer that I get from protestor types.

My actual question is would any of you have the balls to stage such protests in somewhere like Thailand or China? Because that's where most of the animal testing will end up if your movement succeeds in getting medicial testing in the EU banned.

Because then your little furry friends will be suffering in an environment you can do FUCK ALL ABOUT. And what will you have achieved? More pain and suffering to the animals probably - at least in Europe and the UK there is the chance that the conditions they are kept in can be made a good as possible etc.

BTW - I thought it was DSEI, not DESI...

 

[KeyboardJockey]

Well the DESI thing was a waste of time, but there's a thread for that somewhere.

I agree and disagree with you there bob. I can see a genuine humanitarian reason for opposing the armarments trade and those who promote it. There is a humanitarian logic going back centuries of standing up to tyrants and those who support them.

Where I part company with your point of view is that there is a huge gulf between those who go out and protest and become activsts for humanity and t he environment and the monomaniacs of the animal rights movement.


I think their is a strong corrolation between those who are heaviliy into animal rights and not being able to deal properly with interpersonal relationships.

They want to be seen as vanguards and heros for those beings that to be honest aint going to argue with t hem which means tht there egos never get challenged.

Campaigning and doing positive stuff to benefit people even if some of the things are distastful or in some cases violent = heroic / unheroic depending on your personal view of the cause.
Putting animals on the same level as humans and acting like ARM and ALF do = serious mental illness.

 

[cemertyone]

Well the DESI thing was a waste of time, but there's a thread for that somewhere.

That`s YOUR OPINION .....and it don`t amount to much more than that...where you even there in order for you to make such a statement..i was and it cost the MET £5 million plus this time around and they have told the conference organisers that next time round they gotta pay as the Mets resources can not cover the cost of the conference.....whats the bet it dont last another two years...wanna take £50 on that our kid...for all here to see.....

 

[cemertyone]

BTW - I thought it was DSEI, not DESI...

chaep point..very badly scored....but you have not an answer for the questions posed....your response amounts to..
" Oh if they dont do it here they do it else where".yeah right son...

 

[kyser_soze]

chaep point..very badly scored....but you have not an answer for the questions posed....your response amounts to..
" Oh if they dont do it here they do it else where".yeah right son...

You haven't actually asked me a question...

 

[Ing_soc]

ok.. moving the argument on slightly, many AR protesters i hear constantly repeating that animals don't need to be used in experimentation.

while i would happily support a ban on animals in cosmetic testing (as i personally feel that getting the right tint of hair colour is not worth cruelly abusing animals) - i am speciesist in that i believe *IF* animal testing is the only way to cure some diseases, then they must continue. If this is the case then anyone who tries to prevent further progress in the treatment of such diseases, is, in my view, a cunt.

However, *IF* there are alternatives then, by all means, protest, use NVDA. Firebombing oxford uni property is not a legitimate (IMO) protest at Huntingdon Life Sciences, and anyone endangering human lives (and specifically innocent) human lives in this way deserves a good kicking. If there are alternatives to animal testing in medical research however, why aren't they being used??

 

[Bob_the_lost]

----> http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=3511509&highlight=DSEI#post3511509

This ain't about DSEI or DESI or even Toy Story 2, this is about how you can try to justify threatening a nursery with explosive devices to save Bambi.

 

[Bob_the_lost]

ok.. moving the argument on slightly, many AR protesters i hear constantly repeating that animals don't need to be used in experimentation.

while i would happily support a ban on animals in cosmetic testing (as i personally feel that getting the right tint of hair colour is not worth cruelly abusing animals) - i am speciesist in that i believe *IF* animal testing is the only way to cure some diseases, then they must continue. If this is the case then anyone who tries to prevent further progress in the treatment of such diseases, is, in my view, a cunt.

However, *IF* there are alternatives then, by all means, protest, use NVDA. Firebombing oxford uni property is not a legitimate (IMO) protest at Huntingdon Life Sciences, and anyone endangering human lives (and specifically innocent) human lives in this way deserves a good kicking. If there are alternatives to animal testing in medical research however, why aren't they being used??

The answer is normally that the companies doing it make more money that way. Which doesn't wash imo but i'd welcome a cost breakdown on it.