Fuck off already Sven.
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Fong said:
That's a bit extreme. I would also count the following as good performances under Sven:
England 1 Argentina 0 (OK we held on but it was still a good victory over the world cup favourites)
England 3 Argentina 2, one of the most exciting matches of last year
England 4 Croatia 2, how the fuck can you say that match was boring?
England 4 Paraguay 0. Played exciting football and utterly thrashed them.
I think that on a day when the heat was less fierce, today's formation would have functioned a lot better. It was, however, asking a bit much of Gerrard and Lampard to support Rooney to the full extent that was needed. I think that playing Carrick and dropping a striker was the right decision, although I don't understand why he started with Hargreaves at right back instead of Carragher. And he really does need to take Beckham off more quickly if he starts throwing up, FFS. 
Rooney clearly has to be supported by another striker. That's as plain as a Bulgarian pinup. The simple fact is that Lumphard has to be dropped. now. And 4-4-2 reverted to.
We'll never beat Portugal playing like that.
We'll never beat Portugal playing like that.
Sunray
Its sunny somewhere.
Still winning.
It might not always be pretty but you really have to give it to Sven, he's judged on results and we are generally out scoring the opposition.
Might have gone out to better teams, but its going to take someone world class to better what he's achieved. I cant remember it being so comfortable for so long.
Hiddink would have been great, the Aussies are great value and use their talents to the max.
I refer people to ol' turnip head. Remember that era people, all the stress in the qualification and getting knocked out. Might not have had the best team but not qualifying was criminal.
It might not always be pretty but you really have to give it to Sven, he's judged on results and we are generally out scoring the opposition.
Might have gone out to better teams, but its going to take someone world class to better what he's achieved. I cant remember it being so comfortable for so long.
Hiddink would have been great, the Aussies are great value and use their talents to the max.
I refer people to ol' turnip head. Remember that era people, all the stress in the qualification and getting knocked out. Might not have had the best team but not qualifying was criminal.
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
Savage Henry said:
Well firstly his choice of strikers (i.e Walcott not Defoe) is the single biggest mistake an england manager has ever made. So he is now in a position where you have to choose between 442 with crouch up front or a 4-1-4-1.
I'd still play crouch up front - he may look like a circus freak but he does score. The amount of space rooney opens up is mostly wasted without any support so you have to play a striker. I'd also drop beckham for lennon.
But Sven is playing his usual ultra-cautious seria a stlyee and it doesn't work (apart from being a cyncial and negative style which is alien to how we generally play our football).
Our progress so far has been dispite Sven, not becasue of him. England will only progress if they play with the combination of passion, guts, pace and skill we witness in Italia 90 and Euro 96. We now have a significently better team then on those occasions, but Sven sucks all the fire out of the team with his dull as ditchwater apprach and bizzare selections.
We may well beat a weakened and pretty average portugal. But we'll still ultimately go home (in the semis agaisnt spain probably) having bored everyone to death, having played barely a minunte of decent football and to the cheers rest and relief of the rest of the world.
Termite Man
zombie flesh eater
The problem with the formation against ecuador was that it was 4-5-1 and not a 4-3-3 which would have given Rooney more support . If Gerrard or Lampard had pushed forward more to support Rooney then we would have seen more scoring opportunities for him . To go back to a 4-4-2 is cautious and IMO stupid considering the Striker shortage ( what if Rooney or Crouch get injured ? ) If Sven had bought a 5th striker then 4-4-2 would be ok but we he didn't so it's better to use a lone striker but make sure he has support from the midfield .
Get more pace down the wings as well , so drop Beckham and Lampard , move Cole into the middle with Gerrard and Have Lennon and Downing on the wings !
There is absolutly no reason why that formation can't work and it can be changed to a 4-5-1 for defensive work without the need for a substitution .
Get more pace down the wings as well , so drop Beckham and Lampard , move Cole into the middle with Gerrard and Have Lennon and Downing on the wings !
There is absolutly no reason why that formation can't work and it can be changed to a 4-5-1 for defensive work without the need for a substitution .
Paul Russell
Psychogeographer
Savage Henry said:
Agree with that.
Unfortunately, even if Beckham was decapitated by an axe-wielding Portuguese fan, Sven wouldn't take him off.
Sven: "Even without his head, his legs are very important to the team".
Donna Ferentes
jubliado
It's not immediately obvious that it hasn't worked. They're in the quarter-finals and favourite to reach the semis. Not exactly a disaster to anybody with a rational head on.Kaka Tim said:
Are we favourite to reach the semis? I wouldn't be so sure of that with Scolari's record against us, regardless of whether some Portugal stars are missing.
bouncer_the_dog
Well-Known Member
Fong said:
He's some kind of hermaphrodite
4-1-3-2
robinson
a cole, j terry, r ferdinand, g neville
j cole, o hargreves, s gerrard, d beckham
w rooney, p crouch
Isn't Neville injured?
My line up would be.
Robinson
A Cole. J Terry. R Ferdinand. O Hargreaves.
J Cole
A Lennon. D Beckham. S Gerrard.
W Rooney. P Crouch.
With Lennon playing a very forward position with Crouch and Rooney with J Cole overlapping him occasionally to give support and put pressure on their defense.
robinson
a cole, j terry, r ferdinand, g neville
j cole, o hargreves, s gerrard, d beckham
w rooney, p crouch
Isn't Neville injured?
My line up would be.
Robinson
A Cole. J Terry. R Ferdinand. O Hargreaves.
J Cole
A Lennon. D Beckham. S Gerrard.
W Rooney. P Crouch.
With Lennon playing a very forward position with Crouch and Rooney with J Cole overlapping him occasionally to give support and put pressure on their defense.
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
Donna Ferentes said:
Japan/Korea 2002.
Portugal 2004.
same old same old.
We're in the quarters becasue we were in a piss easy group and faced an Ecaudor team playing even worse than England in the next round.
Id rather have gone out in a (traditional) blaze of glory, woodwork, dodgey decisions and penalties to the Krauts in the second round then grind our way Sven-style to the semis to get humiliated by Spain/Brazil etc having been repsoinsible for the worst football matches in the tournament.
England should play to win rather than playing to not loose.
Termite Man
zombie flesh eater
potential said:
Thats a 4-4-2 formation you've got there .
The proiblem with 4-5-1 is that the midfield didn't get up to support the lone striker . Play 4-3-3 ( which is effectivly the same as 4-5-1 but attack minded ) . The squad have 5 days to work on that formationand get Gerrard and Lampard ( though it should be Cole ) further up the pitch . We saw last night that a 4-3-3 can provide plenty of striking opportunites against the Portugese and if Van Brommel had got a few more shots on target than he did we could have easily seen a very different game .
Donna Ferentes
jubliado
That's a preference you're entitled to have: yet as I say, they're still in it and therefore nobody can reasonably say it hasn't worked.Kaka Tim said:
Obnoxiousness
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I admit I was wrong in this thread.
Well, say thank you to Sven, he nomintated his successor. Mr Mclaren. With that in mind and as McLaren was the note carrying messenger on the squads suitability and fitness levels, can we expect more of the same..
McLaren was appointed because he is a yes man, not because of the trophies, not because of the wins and most definetely not because of our progress in the World Cup.
Sven was a bed appointement, but the men to blame are the committee at the FA who did FA when it all started to go wrong.... .
The problems, nobody has addressed the mental attitude needed at world cup level, the belief and the fitness to .. well. play football, to string together a series of passes that actually get to team mates. The basics, the bits and pieces that Sven would never get involved in, the back room staff would make notes and pass on the next level and then wait, some times not even waiting to make changes and improve the players game.
The noticable thing will be how well each players reacts back in his own team setting, will it lead to an improvement or ?
The FA's need to set up a youth training scheme and bring out the talented young player, well over the years they have proved beyond any doubt to de trian the talented and the gifted, why should it change now... and that is the real problem.
McLaren was appointed because he is a yes man, not because of the trophies, not because of the wins and most definetely not because of our progress in the World Cup.
Sven was a bed appointement, but the men to blame are the committee at the FA who did FA when it all started to go wrong.... .
The problems, nobody has addressed the mental attitude needed at world cup level, the belief and the fitness to .. well. play football, to string together a series of passes that actually get to team mates. The basics, the bits and pieces that Sven would never get involved in, the back room staff would make notes and pass on the next level and then wait, some times not even waiting to make changes and improve the players game.
The noticable thing will be how well each players reacts back in his own team setting, will it lead to an improvement or ?
The FA's need to set up a youth training scheme and bring out the talented young player, well over the years they have proved beyond any doubt to de trian the talented and the gifted, why should it change now... and that is the real problem.
