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From Time Immemorial by Joan Peters

Panda:"Rachamim's endoresment means nothing. Who cares if Rachamim's has checked him out or not?" Noone unless it is the person who was telling me that I have seen the proof that Dershowitz is a liar. In that case my take on it means everything. Funny though, yuo would not have realised that, would you?

"If Twinkletoes (Finkelstein) is such a 'bufoon' as Rachamim says, why has Dershowtiz who is a lawayer not sued him to kingdome come?": Easily explained . America is not the UK. America DOES have libel but calling one a "liar" or a "fool" is nowhere enough legal ground to file such a charge. Pity we all cannot live in merry old England. Guess we will survive though, yes?

"It seems Dershowtiz even realises that FINKelsteins's allegations are true seeing as how the 2nd edtion of the book in question has bee redited.": Now, are you seriously going to tell us you have seen the second copy? I doubt you read the first but that is neither here nor there. Let us imagine that you have read both.

Are you then going to say that you compared both copies so as to what exactly has been omitted in the later editions and whether or not it was in relation to parts covered in Finkelstein's allegations?

I do not have either copy of the book, and indeed at this point most of my books are in Israel and NYC. I hope one day to have them here but even if I had his books I do not have them here as I said. Therefore, time permitting I will do a relevant search and try to see what exactly were Finkelstein's claims and whether or not they have been excised as you suggest.

In the end though Panda, Finkelsteein is not only jobless but untouchable in N. American academics. Is Dershowtiz either? On the face of things I kind of suspect Dershowitz has been correct on almost all of his points if not actually all.

"Menetrez article in CounterPunch.": I will make sure to review it. I do not recall your having talked on it although it certainly could have happened.

"Panda finds himself amused that Rachamim would adopt Dershowtiz's style of argument.": If I can be one half as intelligent and insightful as Professor Dershowtiz I will be more than happy. I pray you are right although given your track record thus far it does not seem at all likely.

"Probity always matters.": I do not know that word. Judging by the context though I surmise you mean that who says soemthing is just as important as what is said or something along those lines, yes? If so, WRONG. IF a sock puppet says it, or the Pope says it, the message should come first and foremost. You cannot see the forest for the trees comes to mind.

"So, does not the manner with which data is used in a claim not important? The context?": It depends but not usually. If Ms. Peters is absolutely correct in claming most "Palestinians" happen to be Arabs who migrated themselves, or were born to those that did, and the actual number happens to exceed her claim, why would it matter if everything else she said was bogus? That does not then negate the sum and substance of the comment in question.

"Chomsky has never sold his political outlook based on his position as a Linguist.": So what? Others do and that is what matters. Chomsky does nothing to dispel them. He actually feels as if he a right to be heard more than any other person not directly involved in ths dynamic.

Even his Linguistics work is compromised. The symposium he is attending in England? It too will deal with his obsession against Israel. Something comparable would be Dershowtiz attending a conference on criminal law and then talking about how great Israel is.



"Even if Chomsky is this or that his work is much more insghtful that Rachamim's ever is.": Except that I so not purport to be anything than what I am. An Israeli (dual) Jew who has been there and participated in the dynamic for most of his life on a very intimate level.

Have to say, love the Yiddish, please do keep it up. If you want, I will teach you plenty of curses!
 
Panda (2nd Post): "Panda asks Rachamim to please not misquote him in his replies. IF he cannot grant him that, do not try to quote him at all.": I again paraphrased but it is exactly what you said, yes? The same is for the part you took issue with. You did not tell me where it was mistaken, only that I should not paraphrase you. "Misquote?" Sorry , but if you cannot tell me where I got it wrong I will stick with it.

I have explained time and time again just why I paraphrase what is said. When shown that my understandis incorrect I do reedit or otherwise acknolwedge a mistake in a reedit or in a subsequent post. All you did was take isue with paraphrasing.


"Only one book of Chomsky's was published by the Neo-Nazi publishing house.": And? One is not enough? I say it is too much. Let us examine it again. Did the publishing house turn a profit? Of course it did. CASE CLOSED.

"That means then that others who have been published by it are Nazi Shills as well.": ABSOLUTELY.

"There has not been a 'Mosely Org. since the 1950s...": League of St. George but who is counting, right?

"What about Israel Shahak? Guilt by association?": Yes, absolutely in this case. He did more than hang out with him. They held joint appearances, Chomsky offered a blurb praising Shahak's work, and so on. You know, no matter what I say you take issue with it. Never wrong, are you?


"What was the context of Chomsky's article in the IHR periodical?": It was an article promoting "Free Speech" which on its own is admirable. However, in allowing it to appear in a periodical it is the seminal voice of modern Nazism AND Jew Hatred shows soemthing more than promoting Free Speech. One also needs to then take into account the book mentioned by me earlier, along with 2 audio books also put out by the organisation. Then take into account Chomsky's comments about Faurisson which serve as Chacter Witness statements. No excuse, EVER.


If I allow HAMAS to publish a piece on flora of Gaza, authored by me but with profits on the periodical going to HAMAS coffers I am of course aiding and abetting hatred. You argue that the nature of the article trumps its usage at all! That is pandering and otherwise insulting to intelligent people.

"Rachamim's selective usage of Chomsky's sentence that "Faurisson is apolitical" is disengenuous at best. The whole quote shows it to be far less positive.": ABSOLUTE BS. It is what it is. What did he say that changed his having said Faurisson is not a Nazi? that he has not seen proof otherwise? The fact that Faurisson is a Holocaust Denier would satisfy this by any means. You really are dishonest Panda.

IF a person belongs to racist organisations as Faurisson did then (and ever after) it is moronic to suggest that he has not seen proof otherwise so it must be ok. Then to allow his group to profit from association as well as in materiel terms from profits gleaned from 1 hard copy book and 2 audio books, not to mention permission for the IRC piece...

"What is Rachamim's point when pointing out usage of Chomsky's work by Radio Islam.": I explained the point in my post that mentioned it. The group is Jew Hater top to bottom. Protocols of Zion, yada, yada, yada.

"Rachamim could be seen as regurgitating a prepared line.": And? What would be the difference? Nazi supporters are ok but supporting Israel is not. Got it, thanks for the tip.
 
Panda (last post): "Dershowtiz as palgiarist (again).":Actually, I did so some cusory research into it and it was actually Finkelstein who was forced to recant things and reedit. The book "Beyond Chutzpah" was revised prior to final publication to omit the passages accusing Dershowtiz (by publisher, U of California) of plagiarism and copping info of Peters. In fact, the claim which you repeat deals with , as I had predicted, Dershowtiz being said to have utlised the same sources Peters used for certain DATA.


Finkelstein and his minions like Cockburn (I will refrain from making comments about the name) claim that used Peters when he actually used sources Peters used for soem passages and so , complaints (by Finkelfuc5%) were made to Harvard Law. Investigation though proved he did not cadge thing. It comes down to, at most, citing secndary sources or first sources. Using the Chicago Manual of Style as his guideline Dershowtiz was absolutely correct and indeed while Finkster was canned (wait! denied tenure and "quit") Dershowtiz has prospered. Wonder why? I am sure you will no doubt enlighten us.
 
So, three long and tedious posts with nothing new to add, just the same old collection of straw men, denunciation and wind.

Well done, Rachamim.
 
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