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Dubversion said:
Know close to nothing about Breton, so this is all interesting :)

Breton is a despicable hero of mine. Labeled (as in insult obviously) the 'Pope of Surrealism'. He was somewhat dictatorial. Used to sport a green suit and carried a cane he used to whack people with if they disagreed with him. He idolised Trotsky for a bit and wrote the first draft of the 'Manifesto for a Revolutionary Art' that Trotsky re-wrote in its entirety. Breton and Rivera put their names to the Trotsky version. Breton was an art collector and art critic but mostly he was the leading figure in the Surrealist Movement. Behaving like a good Trotskyist he spent a great deal of time denouncing people and expelling people....He wrote some of the principle Surrealist texts such as the novel Nadja and co-wrote the Surrealist Manifestos. He was a revolutionary, but a seriously flawed one - an immature attitude to women, failure to appreciate music and thoroughly dogmatic. He was also a twisted genius. No Breton no Dali (who was justly expelled and denounced by Breton!).

First Surrealism was a literary movement and there could be no Surrealist painting (Breton decreed so). Then Breton co-opted artists who he said were Surrealists in spite of themselves. He grouped around him figures such as Ernst, Magritte, Dali who were all heavily influenced by the Surrealist revolutionary ethos and obsession with a particular political reading of Freud (one that Freud rejected, much to Breton's disappointment).

Khalo was long considered one of the foremost Surrealist women artists, but she never accepted the tag. It was Breton who declared her a Surrealist regardless as to her thoughts on the matter!
 
Dubversion said:
how do you work that out? there was a considerable amount of reference to her politics and that of those around her. Trotsky spoke at length about Stalin, Rivera about his relationship with other revolutionaries. I'd say that for a film that length - with an incredibly rich and varied life to squeeze in - the politics got a pretty decent share of screen time.

"More importantly, though, Kahlo's Communism--now treated as somehow sort of quaint--led her to embrace some unforgivable political positions. In 1936, Rivera, a dedicated Trotskyite, used his clout to petition the Mexican government to give Trotsky and his wife asylum after they were forced out of Norway. Rivera and Kahlo put up the Trotskys in Kahlo's family home, where Kahlo seduced the older man. (She painted a self-portrait dedicated to him that now hangs in Washington's NMWA.)

After Trotsky was assassinated, however, Kahlo turned on her old lover with a vengeance, claiming in an interview that Trotsky was a coward and had stolen from her while he stayed in her house (which wasn't true). "He irritated me from the time that he arrived with his pretentiousness, his pedantry because he thought he was a big deal," she said.

Rarely is this unflattering detail included in the condensed Kahlo story. Nor is the fact that Kahlo turned on Trotsky because she had become a devout Stalinist. Kahlo continued to worship Stalin even after it had become common knowledge that he was responsible for the deaths of millions of people, not to mention Trotsky himself. One of Kahlo's last paintings was called "Stalin and I," and her diary is full of her adolescent scribblings ("Viva Stalin!") about Stalin and her desire to meet him. Less scandalous but worth noting is that Kahlo despised the very gringos who now champion her work, and her art reflects her obvious disdain for the United States."

This is quite an interesting feminist perspective, not quite what I was looking for but a good review of the cult of Frida.

The film gave the impression that Diego was the politica one and Frida just followed him, shagging Trotsky on the way. He marching against US military intervention in latin America was ignored in the film, for example.
 
Dubversion said:
yeh, i said that :p

she was phenomenal - and worked hard to get the project (wasn't Madonna scrabbling to play Frida at some point :rolleyes: ). and yeh, Molina was bloody amazing - who'd have thought he'd have made a decent Mexican muralist revolutionary? Great cast all round, really sexy and provocative and just fantastically shot - sent my Mexiphilia (?) up a few more notches.

I think Madonna wanted to do it and Winona Ryder was also trying to get the rights at one point :eek:
 
i think Herrera's book is regarded as the "standard biography" (i.e. the most comprehensive, at least), but there's some very beautiful books out there concentrating on her artwork-
in mexico her husband is still regarded as the better painter for some reason, on strength on his murals probably, the "fridamania" seems to be largely a western thing...i remember björk championing her work and talking about her in interviews about 1994/95-ish, few people had even heard about her then...

there were also an older film about frida's life, shot in mexico afaik, saw it around 1995 on tv, but it was probably a bit older than that, as the colours were all grainy...worth seeking out for more in-depth beauty and colour perhaps (afaik many scenes were filmed in the authentic house of frida/diego)
very good performance from the main actress at least...

BTW dub, if you're interested in those "dream images" of mexican folklore, you should get a book by the 1930's female photographer ????, a pioneer who travelled around the mexican countryside to photograph ordinary people in everyday situations, mostly poor indian families and children- those images paint a more realistic image of "the real mexico", as well as capturing the same rich and colourful traditions which still captures people's imaginations today...
 
I loved that film.

Though why she had to go and marry that arsehole I really don't know!

Love, eh. *sigh*
 
han said:
Though why she had to go and marry that arsehole I really don't know!

Love, eh. *sigh*
Well, she's not alone...look at Simone and Sartre (and worse, the letters to Algren :eek: ). Ok, they weren't married, but you know what I mean...
 
maya said:
BTW dub, if you're interested in those "dream images" of mexican folklore, you should get a book by the 1930's female photographer ????, a pioneer who travelled around the mexican countryside to photograph ordinary people in everyday situations, mostly poor indian families and children- those images paint a more realistic image of "the real mexico", as well as capturing the same rich and colourful traditions which still captures people's imaginations today...

Tina Modotti?
 
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A communist photographer. Her Mexican photograps especially are iconic. She also modellled for her partner Weston, but that is entirely irrelevent, but mention Modotti and someone is likely to post a tasteful b/w nude portrait of her.
 
Groucho said:
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A communist photographer. Her Mexican photograps especially are iconic. She also modellled for her partner Weston, but that is entirely irrelevent, but mention Modotti and someone is likely to post a tasteful b/w nude portrait of her.
Purely due to this, I had to look her up.

And she has a great personality
 
I never got round to seeing the film but would love to see it one day soon

I bought a large hardback book called frida kahlo the brush of anguish some years back and loved it and still read it every so often

Luckily I had the foresight to put the wrappers in mylar, it's a wonderful book and now sells for about £150 - £200

I think you can pick up a paperback for just a few quid though

haven't read any other biogs of her so couldn't comment them. my book is part biog and part art book with huge pictures so I like it

:)
 
Dubversion said:
Absolutely fine, it works brilliantly as a story regardless of what you already know.. Totally compelling character, and from what I do know, not exaggerated for cinematic purposes. Just a total force of nature.

Did you down load this from Karagarga? I watched it a few weeks ago. I first became aware of her when they had an exhibition of hers at the Tate (?) fairly recently. There was a few articles about her which I read and then stumbled upon the film. For a Hollywood production I thought it was very good. It certainly, as you write, presented her force of character very well - the passion! ... hmmm.... I could fancy her beyond the grave
 
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Her fame was principally as a model and apprentice to Weston until rescued by the feminists and lauded as a great photographer. Quite rightly. Stuff like this is far better than Weston's stuff. His photograph of a loo being interesting principally for his explanation of choice of subject, while his most noteable photographs are those with Modotti as model! Which are rather good.

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Modotti also slept with Rivera. How relevant is that?! ffs why even mention it!
 
this is an excellent thread - and i don't just mean cos I started it. It just has lots of insights and jumping off points and reminds me why urban is good :)
 
pseudonarcissus said:
The film gave the impression that Diego was the politica one and Frida just followed him, shagging Trotsky on the way. He marching against US military intervention in latin America was ignored in the film, for example.

Frida and Rivera are seen marching and chanting behind a death to imperialism banner. More to the point at the start of the film Frida discusses her reading of Hegel and Marx with her lover. This is before she has met Rivera and before she has officially joined the CP.
 
exactly. pseudo might have a point about the Trotsky thing, but otherwise I think the balance was just right, otherwise the film might have been a tad dull
 
Been inspired to watch this by the thread. Karagarga's only got a version with no seeds :(

Demonoid's got one, but it's like 5 gigs, a straight DVD version. Hmm...
 
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