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and he is a bit of an hypocrite and liar, as well. for years, he claimed that he was completely teetotal, nothing but water, not a drop of alcohol. now, in order to get elected, he has promise to get rid of the Evin law (laws are often named after the politician/minister who pushed it through) which forbids the advertising of alcohol (there are exceptions for "agricultural produces"), not necessarily a bad thing. and to prove his point, he drank 2 glasses of Sancerre wine on the telly. so not a teetotaller, then, but a liar instead.
 
guinnessdrinker said:
and he is a bit of an hypocrite and liar, as well. for years, he claimed that he was completely teetotal, nothing but water, not a drop of alcohol. now, in order to get elected, he has promise to get rid of the Evin law (laws are often named after the politician/minister who pushed it through) which forbids the advertising of alcohol (there are exceptions for "agricultural produces"), not necessarily a bad thing. and to prove his point, he drank 2 glasses of Sancerre wine on the telly. so not a teetotaller, then, but a liar instead.
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Typique. I see Chirac has endorsed him. No surprise there then.
 
nino_savatte said:
Typique. I see Chirac has endorsed him. No surprise there then.
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it took him a long time to do that. Sarkozy used to be his favourite young gun, but they've come to detest each other. a particular news mag which I get keep stirring the pot mentioning Bayrou....
 
but the french magistrates are after chirac for the non existant functionnaires = money for RPR ( chiracs old party) and it wasn't a ringing endorsement not really surprising as sarko is talking about "rupture" from the old french social model

also this thing about the LCR not supporting bové i read in my local paper that the reason why the LCR didn't support bové was because he wanted a 'War Machine'

hello all btw
 
it would not be surprising had been made with Chirac. amnisty are common in France after a new election or on the 14th of July. what is this "war machine"?
 
after the europe no vote the chances of a single candidate looked better bové and the lcr were discussing his (bovés) candidature but the lcr dismissed it by saying what bové wanted was a war machine.

my view at the time was that if bové wants a war machine give him a war machine.

i'm trying to remember the exact quote and if there was anything else...

i dont think my local paper has a searchable archive but i will try and have a look
 
WTF do you mean by 'war machine'? I have visions of Bové, given his neo-luddite credentials, to be asking for a trebuchet or something...maybe he intends to sack the Elysée Palace with it?

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Bové with his war machine, yesterday.
 
don't really know what was meant by war machine, but i remember it because it gave me visions of tanks, although i have to say that that catapulty thing is a lot more bové like

i presume the lcr had a problem with the programme he put forward. we can only guess now but if the lcr had dropped their candidate last aug or sept to support bové his momentum could have stopped the pcf (communists) from steamrollering the collectives and 'electing' buffet
 
kyser_soze said:
WTF do you mean by 'war machine'? I have visions of Bové, given his neo-luddite credentials, to be asking for a trebuchet or something...maybe he intends to sack the Elysée Palace with it?

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Bové with his war machine, yesterday.
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given his reputation on Mc Donalds, OGMs "early harvests" and his action over the Larzac military camp, near where he lives, works and first made his reputation (he once orchestrated an invasion of sheep near the Eiffel tower, IIRC) in the seventies, I would not be at all surprised.

I can't wait for an english Bove to sack parliament!
 
disownedspirit said:
don't really know what was meant by war machine, but i remember it because it gave me visions of tanks, although i have to say that that catapulty thing is a lot more bové like

i presume the lcr had a problem with the programme he put forward. we can only guess now but if the lcr had dropped their candidate last aug or sept to support bové his momentum could have stopped the pcf (communists) from steamrollering the collectives and 'electing' buffet
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I guess the LCR things is more like the usual multitute of dissenting leftie candidates. at one point there were 3 leftie candidates (never mind 5 now) who all claimed to be the united candidate of "the left of the left".

you talk about a local paper. are you posting from france?
 
yep
the local rag is officially communist supporting but most of the time it is just full of retirements and local football/rugby/handball/petanque/basketball results
* delete as you want

but you do get some good front pages eg when the unions at the airport in martinique (i think) went on strike to stop sarkozy going there the front page was 'Discrimination positive '



has got a good history though it was the paper of the resistance round here but now sadly seems to be in decline:(

there is another paper that everyone seems to read but is pretty much the same. not communist but full of local 'interest'
 
another worldis possible. the mind of voynet !

the green candidate has said she doesn't feel in competition with bové

Dominique Voynet, candidate des Verts à l'élection présidentielle, ne se sent pas en concurrence avec José Bové sur la question de l'écologie politique.

my dodgy translation

Dominique Voynet, green presidetial candidate doesn't feel in competition wiyh josé bove on the question of political ecologie "

link here
http://2007.fr.msn.com/Default.aspx

but the polls today tell a different story

http://elections.france3.fr/presidentielles/2007/sondages/29338016-fr.php

she is only 1.5 % behind bové but she is only on 1%
 
I'd read the first link, but explorer has problems with it and stops working, for some reason. for the second link, it's important to remember that the le pen vote is usually underestimated in opinion polls, because people don't admit to want to vote for him. for your local newspapers, it's also important to remember that much of the french media, including the regional press, is owned by prosarkozy arms manufacturers, Dassault (le figaro) and Lagardere (europe 1 and others).
 
ken loach support besancenot

you are right about the papers in general. here we have 2 both nominally left of centre. the links between the media and politicians are quite frightening for example 2 of the main presenters on france televisions are sleeping with members of the cabinet

anyway on a brighter note here is a link to the lcr site showing a video of ken loach saying why he supports besancenot unfortunatly over dubbed in french but you can hear the english if you listen hard
http://besancenot2007.org/

and there was a new poll out today putting royal and sarko neck and neck

going out now but if anyone is interested i'll dig out a link for you later
 
disownedspirit said:
you are right about the papers in general. here we have 2 both nominally left of centre. the links between the media and politicians are quite frightening for example 2 of the main presenters on france televisions are sleeping with members of the cabinet

anyway on a brighter note here is a link to the lcr site showing a video of ken loach saying why he supports besancenot unfortunatly over dubbed in french but you can hear the english if you listen hard
http://besancenot2007.org/

and there was a new poll out today putting royal and sarko neck and neck

going out now but if anyone is interested i'll dig out a link for you later
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ooh aah!yes, I have vaguely heard about these affairs....any juicy gossip...?:D

the besancenot link is a bit confusing because both languages are on at the same time with the english bit almost as loud. since I am equally fluent in both, it is distracting. but thanks anyway.

coming back to the "war machine" bit, I assume they meant that Jose Bove wanted to "go on the warpath" rather than a general insurrection with tanks on the lawn:D
 
no it was 'machine de guerre' i was really worse at french than i am now and it was exciting to read something in another language, thats why i remember

smug git fluent in both :)

no juicy gossip on the newsreaders (sorry)

but the canard enchaine has some stuff about sarko and a dodgy property deal but ,kill me with a duck, none of the papers or tv go at him

it is great to live in a republic;)
 
'None of the papers or TV go at Sarko?'
Haven't got a TV, but Marianne is fairly pitbull like.

People were giving out anti-Sarko car stickers today, but inspite of him being almost universally loathed down here, no-one put them on, because the gendarmes have a rep. for being pro UMP. and if one of two is going to get the random ballon, you ynow who it's going to be.
 
disownedspirit said:
no it was 'machine de guerre' i was really worse at french than i am now and it was exciting to read something in another language, thats why i remember

smug git fluent in both :)

no juicy gossip on the newsreaders (sorry)

but the canard enchaine has some stuff about sarko and a dodgy property deal but ,kill me with a duck, none of the papers or tv go at him

it is great to live in a republic;)
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machine de guerre: what I meant was that it does not have to be a literal translation. but warpath does not exactly translate either. there are hyperboles in languages.

there is a story from Marriane about his old flat where the price was manipulated to avoid the wealth tax. he is a lawyer and a third of a share in that legal business, lives in Neuilly (South Kensington like....), indeed he used to be its mayor. strangely enough, it's only now that he's managed to start paying the wealth tax! segolene royal is just as bad, really. she has a relatively large flat in paris shared with her partner, francois hollande, the socialist leader, a house in Poitou Charente which is her political base, for work presumably, so she must be able to offset in some ways against tax, and a rather nice house in comfy mediterranean surrounding on the Cote D'azur. you can imagine the value of that house....but again it appears that she has not paid much tax until recently. she now pays the wealth tax and was forced to reveal her tax situation when threatened by the media or her opponents. francois bayrou apparently can avoid it altogether because he claims to be a farmer. well, he breeds horses! presumably not for food.

on the subject of national identity, royal now appears to ape sarkozy on this one, without the racist overtones. apparently, she'd like every french family to have a french flag at home and her meetings end with the marseillaise!

viva bove, besancenot or voynet as far as as I am concerned.
 
Calva dosser said:
'None of the papers or TV go at Sarko?'
Haven't got a TV, but Marianne is fairly pitbull like.

People were giving out anti-Sarko car stickers today, but inspite of him being almost universally loathed down here, no-one put them on, because the gendarmes have a rep. for being pro UMP. and if one of two is going to get the random ballon, you ynow who it's going to be.
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the difference is that Marianne is totally independent and is not owned by any of the prosarko conglomerate. even le monde is not totally immune on this one. I believe that lagardere has in some way a minority share in it. France Inter, which is a state owned radio, is more independent and they don't necessarily seem to like it that much. it is a safe bet that Europe !, owned by lagardere will not criticise him.

heard today on french radio: apparently, there was crackdown on illegal immigrants ("sans papier") in belleville, a poor but lovely part of paris (not the suburbs) in a school. lots of people intervened when the police in the traditional french way tried to arrest people picking up children as they left school, something which they were not meant to do, apparently. even the headmistress was arrested because she intervened, and detained for seven hours! not a good idea so close to the elections! sarkozy, even though he has now officially resigned as minister of the Interior had to intervene from the french carribean where he was campaigning!
 
They say Besancenot is having trouble getting enough proposers, 500 are needed I believe, I think they have to be Mayors or something. Is this right? I know one of the local mayors has signed for him, and is busy drumming up support elsewhere.

I am amazed at the polarisation in France. Mention Sarkozy here and most people, young, old, Farmers or Cafe owners spit blood. My chum oop North says it's quite the other thing.
 
Calva dosser said:
They say Besancenot is having trouble getting enough proposers, 500 are needed I believe, I think they have to be Mayors or something. Is this right? I know one of the local mayors has signed for him, and is busy drumming up support elsewhere.

I am amazed at the polarisation in France. Mention Sarkozy here and most people, young, old, Farmers or Cafe owners spit blood. My chum oop North says it's quite the other thing.
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the deadline for nominations has now passed. Besancenot has managed to get the 5OO signatures. they do have to be from local mayors but I believe county councillors (departements, elected during elections cantonales can as well and possibly some local councillors from larger cities, but I don't know.). the mayors are most important because they are more than 36000 thousand of them in France.

edited to say: I am not surprised that farmers and cafe owners spit blood when he is mentioned. he has presided over the biggest crackdown on drink driving in France ever. it used to be regularly around 8000 deaths in france through drink driving, now they think they can get to british levels and under 4000 deaths. that's at least one good thing that Sarkozy has done, as far as I am concerned.
 
Calva dosser said:
They say Besancenot is having trouble getting enough proposers, 500 are needed I believe, I think they have to be Mayors or something. Is this right? ...
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Nominations have closed. See post 56.
 
Yes thankyou, I know that now. I wondered why the Mayor was trying to drum up support. It is a bit isolated.

Un Besancenot- yesterday:

" If Sarko is chasing Le Pen, and the Left are chasing Sarko, who is going to fire the big chestnuts?"

Such an interesting language.
 
Calva dosser said:
Yes thankyou, I know that now. I wondered why the Mayor was trying to drum up support. It is a bit isolated.

Un Besancenot- yesterday:

" If Sarko is chasing Le Pen, and the Left are chasing Sarko, who is going to fire the big chestnuts?"

Such an interesting language.
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no wonder the french are now said to be beating the english at the newly imported sport of conkers.

c'est la castagne!
 
police v youth at gare du nord

there was a fight between users of the RATP and police last night at the station where the eurostar gets in :eek:

see liberation here http://www.liberation.fr/actualite/politiques/elections2007/243936.FR.php
and also at le monde eyewitness reportshttp://www.lemonde.fr/web/articleinteractif/0,41-0@2-3224,49-888777@45-3256@51-888702,0.html

on msn earlier it was reported that the crowd were chanting "fuck sarko" "police everywhere justice nowhere" and other stuff byt this is not there now

fyi guinness the new interior minister (sarko resigned mon to be a full time candidate) is shagging the newsreader from fr3s nightly bulletin


and on another subject france has only 15 days of petrol left after unions closed the port of marseille link here

edit cos if found tf1s pics from last night att tf1 are not the most progressive bunch but good pics in the SECOND HALF of the peice[URL="http://3.upload.dailymotion.com/PeteRock/video/x1k91a_emeutes-gare-du-nord-270307"]http://3.upload.dailymotion.com/PeteRock/video/x1k91a_emeutes-gare-du-nord-270307
 
yes, I heard about the affair between Francois Barouin (previously minister for the colonies, oops, for overseas France) and a Ms Drucker on the telly:D

for the strike in Fos sur Mer, near Marseilles, it appears that it is something to do between GDF (equivalent to British gas) who wants the employee in charge of linking gas tankers and port facilities to be their employee for health and safety reason(at least that's what they claim) and the CGT, the mainly communist trade union and dominant in the port, who wants the job to be covered by the port authority. whatever the merits of the case, depriving voters of petrol just weeks before the election might not be such a smart move, especially knowing sarkozy's views on trade unions, which are well known in France.

another interesting fact, and encouraging, is that there are nearly more than 2 millions voters on the electoral votes compared to a year ago. over 44 and a half millions people are eligible to vote and on the electoral roll (out of a total population of 63 millions people), the highest ever. the biggest increases were apparently recorded in the ghetto like suburbs, like Seine St Denis, just north of Paris. they won't be Sarko!
 
did you see that stuff in the 19e paris where the headmistress of a school got arrested becuase it all went mad when the police tried to arrest the grandad of 2 kids becuase he had no papers

it all seems to be kicking off.
a deliberate ploy by the govt. or something else? the french police unions are not happy cos there members are being put in the front line for what seems like electoral reasons
 
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