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I read this in Le Monde yesterday but here's the story in English. Sego wants to form a parliamentary alliance with the UDF. Things don't look too good for the French left. :(

Ségolène Royal, the former Socialist presidential candidate, said she would seek an alliance with François Bayrou’s centre party, the Democrat Movement. But her damage limitation exercise highlighted the weakness of the left and the relative dominance of President Nicolas Sarkozy and his centre-right UMP party.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/94c65c4a-1849-11dc-b736-000b5df10621.html
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A loss will mean a lot of internal strife for the PS and a long period out of power.

Still, if things are bad for the PS, take a look at how things have turned out for the FN

The National Front won only 4.3 per cent on Sunday, less than half its result in the presidential contest and a third of its parliamentary tally in 1997. Only one candidate, Marine Le Pen, made it through to the run-off. Ten years ago the National Front proceeded to the second round in 76 constituencies, when it took enough votes from the centre right to hand victory to the left.
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That said, Sokrazy has done a great deal to steal votes from Le Pen, so perhaps it's no so surprising.
 
Interesting article from the Houston Chronicle

Student groups are ready to resist.

"For us, Sarkozy's reforms will not be defeated through the ballot boxes, but by organizing the students in force," student organizer Celine Coat said.

She said student groups were organizing a forum for July to get things ready for protests when the new school year opens. They are hoping to repeat the success of nationwide protests and strikes last year, which forced then-President Jacques Chirac's government to back off a labor reform that would have made it easier to hire and fire young people.

The far-left Workers' Struggle party predicted a "yes-man" parliament, and said it was up to the working classes to "put sticks in (Sarkozy's) wheels" through strikes and other protests.

"The working world is unpredictable because it can be subject to sudden bouts of anger," the party said in a statement.

While far-leftists have performed dismally in this year's elections, they still have a solid base of supporters ready to march and strike when summoned.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/world/4879484.html
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mears said:
OK, racism is hard to quantify. But you know more about racism in France than I do, .
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My line is on French racism is this.

Over half of France's population immigrated during the 20th century. And you know how, often it can be the recently immigrated that have the biggest problem with the even newer arrivals...

Infact, this may go some way into explaining the USA's predicament.:p
 
Houston Chronicle said:
The far-left Workers' Struggle party predicted a "yes-man" parliament, and said it was up to the working classes to "put sticks in (Sarkozy's) wheels" through strikes and other protests.
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Surely if the 'working classes' had really wanted to put "sticks in his wheels", they would have voted for another President?
 
STFC said:
Surely if the 'working classes' had really wanted to put "sticks in his wheels", they would have voted for another President?
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That's what the article says. Sokrazy deliberately appealed to FN voters and wavering FN voters. The current presidency is really a Le Pen Lite administration.
 
nino_savatte said:
That's what the article says. Sokrazy deliberately appealed to FN voters and wavering FN voters. The current presidency is really a Le Pen Lite administration.
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But he won the election fair and square? Presumably many of those who voted for Sarkozy are 'working class'?
 
STFC said:
But he won teh election fair and square? Presumably many of those who voted for Sarkozy are 'working class'?
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He may have won the election "fair and square" but does that mean that folk have to take it lying down? Were you pleased when Thatcher got into power (perhaps you're not auld enough to remember her)? I wasn't and I didn't want to roll over and take it either.

If folk have grievances, they should be allowed to vent them. It's what's called a [limited] democracy.
 
Calva dosser said:
Apparently Sarkozy wants everyone to be a homeowner now.

Wonder where that little idea came from. The French have scrubbed along quite nicely for years by renting. That's why their town centres, at least, have a life. There is always spare cash for going out.

I have never once heard the locals discussing 'property prices'.

Ah well, property boom time. Then they can all sell up at a profit and buy holiday homes in South Birmingham.

I don't think.
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No, should not encourage home ownership. Pay your money to the owner of the flats, don't even think about building equity, spend that income on rent and in twenty years you can still spend that money on rent instead of paying off the mortgage. In fact, why would individuals want property? Let someones esle control it.
 
mears said:
No, should not encourage home ownership. Pay your money to the owner of the flats, don't even think about building equity, spend that income on rent and in twenty years you can still spend that money on rent instead of paying off the mortgage. In fact, why would individuals want property? Let someones esle control it.
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You clearly don't understand the French.
 
not a bad night in the end actually the blue tsunami didnt materialise

the UMP ended up with about 324 seats compared to the socialists 205
the PCF vote seemed to hoild up pretty well

at 8 last night it was still being predicted the the UMP would get over 400 seats

the number 2 in the govt (and mayor of bordeaux)Juppé didnt win his seat and so has resigned from the govt
also Arno Klarsrfeld didnt win in the 8e Paris

and round here our 1 UMP deputé in my circonscription :o was kicked out by a rather weak although well known locally socialist :D
my dept has no right wing députés :cool:
in the whole of limousin there are only 2 UMP deputés at the moment and one of those is going to a recount this morning
http://www.liberation.fr/_looks/liberation/php/pages/pageResultatsElections.php

http://www.lemonde.fr/web/infog/0,47-0@2-823448,54-924518@51-921954,0.html
 
disownedspirit said:
in the whole of limousin there are only 2 UMP deputés at the moment and one of those is going to a recount this morning
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Good to see them doing so badly in my home stomping ground.
 
I see Juppé lost his seat. Now he has to resign as Sokrazy's No. 2 minister. :D

In the most high-stakes contest, Alain Juppé, appointed by Sarkozy to head a new high-profile megaministry for the environment, transportation and energy, and the mayor of Bordeaux, lost to a Socialist. Juppé will step down from what is the No. 2 position in the government, a humiliating setback for Sarkozy.
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Meanwhile, on a different note, Ségolène Royal has separated from her partner, Francoise Hollande, the leader of the PS.

"I asked François Hollande to leave our home, to pursue his love interest, which is now laid bare in books and newspapers, on his own," Royal is quoted as saying. "I wished him happiness."

In the book, "Behind the Scenes of Defeat," Royal said that she and Hollande "remain on good terms." She also said that she would seek to replace Hollande as leader of the party.

The latest development in the Royal-Hollande saga became public only after polls closed and did not seem to factor into the election.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/06/18/business/france.php
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Can't imagine why anyone would give up old Sego's nichons.

But then I can't imagine why the local paper anounced the UMP candidate in the locals had been elected.

Several café owners went anaphylactic at the thought of Philippe Martin out of a job. Turns out it was a missprint. Like the time the BBC announced Newham North West was a Conservative gain.
 
Calva dosser said:
Can't imagine why anyone would give up old Sego's nichons.
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apparently, hollande has been having an afffair with another woman....

some changes in the government: borloo has been switched from economy to the environment, probably because of the cock up on increasing VAT while introducing tax cuts for the rich (inheritance tax, etc) which lead to the good showing of the left in the second round (I believe the greens may have taken an extra seat). 2 interesting developments: a socialist senator, jean-marie bockel may be given a post in the new govenrment and fadela amara who founded and lead the feminist organisation ni putes ni soumise, which campaigns on the rights of 2nd or 3rd generation of immigrant women in the banlieus, generally classified on the left is now a minister for cities.
 
I have been following the situation in France with interest. As explained elsewhere he is preparing for a full scale assault on the unions and the urban poor and in my view wants to eliminate the international view of the French working class , which is to pour out into the streets, at given oppurtunities to defend their interests.

It still bites in the memory of French and international capitalism the events in 1968 and just like Thatcher had to get revenge on the miners in 1984/5 , French capitalism wants to attack a strong organised working class that could potentially cause another 68.

I found this news interesting today. Sarkozy seems to be after a broad right wing coalition to pursue his aims.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6223380.stm
 
Sokrazy had a meeting with Le Pen yesterday. I'll see if i can find an article. This is the first time in "decades" (so I'm told) that a President has met with Le Pen.
The talks Nicolas Sarkozy had with Jean-Marie Le Pen, which coincided with his 79th birthday, are reported to have been part of a consultation process, which Nicolas Sarkozy is having with all the main French political parties.

´Jean-Marie Le Pen said that Nicolas Sarkozy had acted democratically, but added that their opinions on the future of Europe were very different.

http://www.enjoyfrance.com/content/view/920/36/
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nightbreed said:
I have been following the situation in France with interest. As explained elsewhere he is preparing for a full scale assault on the unions and the urban poor and in my view wants to eliminate the international view of the French working class , which is to pour out into the streets, at given oppurtunities to defend their interests.

It still bites in the memory of French and international capitalism the events in 1968 and just like Thatcher had to get revenge on the miners in 1984/5 , French capitalism wants to attack a strong organised working class that could potentially cause another 68.

I found this news interesting today. Sarkozy seems to be after a broad right wing coalition to pursue his aims.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6223380.stm
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sarkonazi is meeting the transport unions later today i think to 'negotiate' about the minimum service guarantee
sounds like a watered down version of the anti union laws in the UK from the 80's (which are still in place :( )
secret ballots notice to the boss etc......

the CGT are calling it a 'mesure d'intimidation'

sarko seems to be banking on pushing through all the stuff that will really wind people up this summer while he can claim he has a mandate but taking on the students and the cheminots at the samr time sounds a bit risky to me

also the UMP are not happy cos borloo has got juppés job despite fucking up the TVA stuff , which many UMPers are blaming for last sundays pretty poor showing

also bockel, who is a careerist blairite fuckjob, being selected for the govt has not gone down well with the grassroots UMP or the deputies who ran against him in his Dept.

and raffarin an ex PM from the right has layed into the plans for the TVA saying he doesn't think its consistent and he doesnt think they would be able to get it through parliament despite a fairly large majority

no wonder le Monde descibed the first parliamentry meeting as morose
 
nino_savatte said:
Sokrazy had a meeting with Le Pen yesterday. I'll see if i can find an article. This is the first time in "decades" (so I'm told) that a President has met with Le Pen.
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this is getting worse:eek: I'm pretty certain however that french presidents have met with Le Pen while they were presidents, just not admiting publicly.
 
After the UMP now its the turn of the PS
Sego has said that two of the major pieces of her 'pacte presidential' were not credible (the 35hr week and and the raising of the minimum wage to €1500)
jean-Luc Mélenchon PS senator has accussed her of 'duplicité' and 'provocation'
'Nous sommes dans le domaine de la pure et simple provocation, consternante de sa part'

looks to me like the right of the PS (DSK Royal etc) are pissed off becuase the ps didnt do too badly in the last round of the elections
looks like there is a battle royale (ho ho) coming up for the PS either before or after the cantonals next year

http://www.liberation.fr/actualite/politiques/262741.FR.php
 
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