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Free bus travel for under 16s from midnight

Phototropic said:
Oh yeah of course child fare ends at what 10pm or something?

That used to fuck me off royally.

Why?

Should under 16s be travelling around alone after 10pm???
 
pk said:
I'm all for it as long as each child travelcard/photocard is numbered
They're using Oyster cards for the free travel so can be tracked that way. They've been in use since August 1st and I think that there's a £5 admin fee.
 
Sir Belchalot said:
They're using Oyster cards for the free travel so can be tracked that way. They've been in use since August 1st and I think that there's a £5 admin fee.

so there's a database record of which u16 is on each bus at any time (give or take). Did the money for this initative come out of the 'social welfare' or 'crime reduction' budget?
 
newbie said:
so there's a database record of which u16 is on each bus at any time (give or take). Did the money for this initative come out of the 'social welfare' or 'crime reduction' budget?

It'll probably be the same database which all adults that have an Oyster card are on...
 
dogmatique said:
When TfL have had to put up fares by 50p in a very short period, how can Ken justify throwing income away? Poor show I reckon.

Londoners complaining about having the UK's lowest bus fares and best services on Urban75 shocker! :rolleyes: :p :D
 
I'm very wary of the whole oyster card thing. I don't like the idea of the state being able to track my movements on public transport!
 
Child fares here were withdrawn along with returns a few months ago. It's now £2.75 one-way to the next town for everyone!

(Needless to say, the knackered, smoky old buses are almost empty while the roads are clogged to bursting point.)
 
Isambard said:
Londoners complaining about having the UK's lowest bus fares and best services on Urban75 shocker! :rolleyes: :p :D

Because it simply isn't sustainable! London transport subsidies are already HUGE... Where is the £50 million a year for this coming from?

In fact sod the kids, I want air-conditioning on buses. :p

*curmudgeon mode off*
 
dogmatique said:
Because it simply isn't sustainable! London transport subsidies are already HUGE... Where is the £50 million a year for this coming from?

Didn't kids already get free transport under the 1944 Education Act, section 55(1), then amended by the 1986 Education Act, section 53?
 
citydreams said:
Didn't kids already get free transport under the 1944 Education Act, section 55(1), then amended by the 1986 Education Act, section 53?

Only if they within, I think, an x (not sure of figure) mile radius of their school.
 
the B said:
Sadly, I have very little confidence in toe-rag catching schemes..

Some eye-boggling figures:

TfL Transport Policing & Enforcment Budget:
Expenditure Summary for 2005/2006
Transport Policing: £57,077,097
Traffic Enforcement: £38,408,555
TPRN Management: £1,592,194
Bus Enforcement: £14,777,265

TPEDs Vision for 2010 is
"..London will have the safest and most reliable public transport system of any world city"

..like how many other worlds have cities?


Some more facts:
The number of arrests by traffic police has more than doubled since 2003 from around 300 a month to 700 a month.

Go get 'em Ken :)
 
There will be no more conductors on buses later this year and the overall aim is that all London buses will be ticket free - you will either have a to buy a ticket at the stop, from a newsagent type place OR hold an oyster card.

I think its good that children can travel to school for free but it would help if they had more 'school bus routes'. We have a couple round my way (Croydon/Sutton), not sure about the rest of London - the route travels between several different schools within the borough and this takes some of the burden off the normal routes.

If you have to travel by bus to work between 7.30 and 9am and in the afternoon between 3.30 and 5pm you will know how packed buses can get due to the school kids - I have to say if free travel means more kids get the bus its good for them but maybe not anyone else who has to travel at those times, unless more buses are provided.
 
Callie said:
There will be no more conductors on buses later this year and the overall aim is that all London buses will be ticket free - you will either have a to buy a ticket at the stop, from a newsagent type place OR hold an oyster card.

I think its good that children can travel to school for free but it would help if they had more 'school bus routes'. We have a couple round my way (Croydon/Sutton), not sure about the rest of London - the route travels between several different schools within the borough and this takes some of the burden off the normal routes.

If you have to travel by bus to work between 7.30 and 9am and in the afternoon between 3.30 and 5pm you will know how packed buses can get due to the school kids - I have to say if free travel means more kids get the bus its good for them but maybe not anyone else who has to travel at those times, unless more buses are provided.

A few places have them... mostly the more "fringe" areas like Croydon (or up north, say, Barnet).

I think they work where they are, not sure it would work all across London...


city - that's something £10 million a month (mental maths) to manage 700 arrests... 14 grand? I didn't know enforcement was such an expensive - or inefficient - business...
 
Callie said:
Whys that?

Well, where I am for example, the traffic system is a bit one way... maybe there is a route but it doesn't make sense in my head.

Where I used to go to school, there wasn't much in the way of bus lanes etc.
 
the B said:
Well, where I am for example, the traffic system is a bit one way... maybe there is a route but it doesn't make sense in my head.

Where I used to go to school, there wasn't much in the way of bus lanes etc.


Well theres another thing for old Ken to think about - more bus lanes.

Another good thing (slight derail) in general might be express routes from up Town to more rural areas. Croydon has the X68 which runs from up town somewhere (Russell Sq?) to central Croydon with limited stops in the way, it only runs at peak times so might provide and alternative to rail.
 
well with this free travle for under 16s, somebody has obviously forgotten to tell the bus drivers that - and i quote from the TFL website
If you are under 14, you can travel free on London's buses and trams from 1 September 2005 without a photocard
as not only has the child been nagged at by bus drivers for her travel/oystercard when she's told them that she's 12, but this morning i heard other kids - who were quite obviously under 14 - being asked for their cards.

i've printed off the pages from the website with the relevant info so that the child can show it to the bus drivers and say "ha ha in your face, i pwn you, you are my bitch!!"

or something like that :)
 
milesy said:
i've printed off the pages from the website with the relevant info so that the child can show it to the bus drivers and say "ha ha in your face, i pwn you, you are my bitch!!"

or something like that :)

:cool:
 
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