littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
To achieve that, certain big name players will have to get the chop.
France V Holland
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marty21
One on one? You're crazy.
Phenotypic Dai
The girdle of Venus
It would've been good to see Mclaren make it to the Euros.
Top tabloid comedy.
Top tabloid comedy.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Or a Scottish handball.
marty21
One on one? You're crazy.
i agree - the charlie big potatoes need to go - not sure what england players have it at the moment tbh - rooney maybe, gerrard (if lampard isn't there) hargreaves, beckham used to
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Yes, Beckham used to. Gerrard and Lampard clearly should never play in the same team. Ferdinand has the right spirit, I think.
One problem with England selection, I think, has been that they have gone for the star players rather than picking the best team. Owen, bless him, has to be axed now, for instance.
TrippyLondoner
Well-Known Member
We should play Gerrard/Barry more often, just hope Capello realizes that.
marty21
One on one? You're crazy.
i have doubts about ferdinand - the drug test nonsense - his tv career, he's improved as a player, is very experienced now - and deserves to be in the side, but there's always a nagging doubt with me
editor
hiraethified
England have had averaged a new manager every two years for the last decade.
But the problem isn't so much that as the rabid, demanding attitude of the English fans and media who immediately get on the back of any new manager who doesn't manage to instantly turn around the team's fortunes.
If the manager doesn't feel secure in their position it's not going to do much for team spirit.
i agree
the england 'team' is shit because they aren't a team they are a bunch of players
if england were a team they would be able to turn holland italy germany over imo
TrippyLondoner
Well-Known Member
We gave Sven loads of time, and well he didn't play other players and always chose the same lampard/gerrard system that never worked and no surprise, failed despite being given time. Steve Mcclaren never had the right experience, i was never comfortable with him being in charge, and that was always going to work against him. I believe were a lot more realistic these days as fans about what to expect, i am anyway and people i know are, and prepared to give Capello the right amount of time as he has the right knowledge to take us to where we want to get to imo. But if someone like Mcclaren walks into the job without having really earned it, then sorry, he shouldn't be there in the first place.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I think that is a little deluded.
England need to change their players. Look at the successful French teams. They did not hesitate to leave out the likes of Cantona or Ginola if they did not fit into the team. England never seem to do that.
corporate whore
oh, thought you were dead
Watched this in a bar full of French. Wasn't too popular when I stood up and shouted "OH WHAT A FUCKING GREAT GOAL!" when Van Persie scored 
Holland are better than the sum of their parts (as are Croatia for that matter), France are less than the sum of theirs (ditto England).
It's a team game.
Holland are better than the sum of their parts (as are Croatia for that matter), France are less than the sum of theirs (ditto England).
It's a team game.
TrippyLondoner
Well-Known Member
I wouldn't mind a holland v croatia final, having thought about it..
that isn't really fair
erikkson had 2 tournaments which is what ational managers get
mclaren was sacked because he fucked up the fucking qualifying
Donna Ferentes
jubliado
I think that until the best England players spend a period abroad they're never going to develop into world-class players: it's justthat extra bit of experience that the very best know they need.
Kevin Keegan went to Germany when Liverpool were the best team in the world, basically for that reason.
Kevin Keegan went to Germany when Liverpool were the best team in the world, basically for that reason.
TrippyLondoner
Well-Known Member
And had no real experience which will always work against you especially if you fuck up a country like england in the qualifying. Its just not realistic to expect Mcclaren to be given more time in that situation.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Spain are underachievers with nearly all their players in their home league, too. But then again, so are Italy's players and they are world champions.
when france left out cantona and ginola they didn't make any impression at all
france in the 90s were even worse than england for having appaling coaches and amazing players
it would be impossible to lose with the players that france had in 98 and 2000
Balbi
Hey, Dean Yager!
Cole at RB over Corluka? No. Terry and Hargreaves over the Kovac brothers. No. Bridge over Pranjic, who can defend AND attack. No. Simunic over Ferdinand, hell no. Ferdinand tries to play too clever whereas Josep's good for a yellow card a game through sticking one on the opposition. Beckham over Srna......NO. Lampard over Modric.......NO. Gerrard over Kranjcar.....NO. Owen over Eduardo......NOOOOOOOO. Rooney over Olic.....NOOOOOOOOOOO.
Because of.....
isitme said:
THIS ^
Croatia are a good team. Spain and Holland are a GREAT team.
England are....well, Austria, Greece and Switzerland. Not even Romania. Maybe Sweden if we're lucky.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
But according to you, England have all the players now, and they didn't even qualify.
exactly
there was a big fuss about having an english coach
same as keegan and hoddle, they get them a few years too early and then blame them for not being able to hack it
who gives a fuck anyways
Nah, Sweden are and always have been a very good team. Much more than the sum of their rather average parts.
marty21
One on one? You're crazy.
Balbi
Hey, Dean Yager!
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
To win a tournament, you need a good team and some luck. England had the former but not the latter in 1990 and 1996, and have had neither ever since.Oh and Euro 2000, I am wikipedially informed - it took them 120 minutes on TWO occasions.
I would say that England actually had a fair amount of luck in 96. Scotland missed a penalty, and then gazza scored a once in a lifetime goal. That would have made it two 1-1 draws against the goliaths of switzerland and scotland. Then we were very lucky that the dutch team were disintegrating when we played them. And spain had two perfectly fine goals disallowed unfairly.
