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Backatcha Bandit said:
I'm deadly serious.

Help me get 'up-to-date on the Canadian mission'.

Why are your troops in Afghanistan?

Why do you 'hope they stay' there?

This is how it is being portrayed by the Canadian media and described in very simple terms.

The Canadians have an area to look after. We are helping to rebuild. Most of the reports I've seen have been on health care and education. We are there with the full support of the Afghan police and the last documentary I saw (last week) showed them out on patrol together.

When the Taleban are spotted in the area, they are usually chased out by the Afghan's while we make sure that they can't stay. Once they are out of the Canadian zone - the US look after them.

Do I think that it is important that we stay? Yes.
Has parliment discussed the possibility of having to hand over people to the Americans? Yes.
Has this issue caused conflict here in Canada? oh yes!!!
Am I interested in what a fellow Canadian who lives on the other side of the country thinks? oh yes!!!

I watch the media coverage with a very skeptic eye - I remember how the US media was manipulated. There are a lot of similarities.
 
Backatcha Bandit said:
Oh, please educate me, Johnny. But don't forget to tell me why they're there. Please do demonstrate the depth of your 'understanding'.

And FYI - I had 'those names' on file. :(

Here are a couple of articles I googled up:That's true. It's an interesting article. Later, he comments:
http://www.straight.com/content.cfm?id=17444

http://www.asiamedia.ucla.edu/article-world.asp?parentid=44344

http://www.rsf.org/article.php3?id_article=17469

You don't even know who David Emerson is. Why post up these articles as if you understand them?
 
Canadians are there as part of a civil reconstruction team, amongst other things. Part of what this entails, is meeting with village elders to gain their trust. At the meeting, the speaker is unarmed, without his helmet. That's how the attack described below happened.

This detail continues, and part of the reason for increased attacks on canadians in afghanistan, is that the meetings are showing results, and some opinion is turning against the taliban there.

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"Greene, Schamuhn and a security detail were meeting with local elders to talk about possible reconstruction projects when the attack took place.

The two officers removed their helmets and set down their arms as a gesture of trust for elders who traditionally guarantee security at such meetings, known as shura.

"We were completely vulnerable to them and they took complete advantage of that," Schamuhn said. "

http://www.canada.com/topics/news/world/story.html?id=c01e9671-e70d-43a0-84f5-c3e1e6d282e7&k=70101
 
Johnny Canuck2 said:
You don't even know who David Emerson is. Why post up these articles as if you understand them?
You utter prick, Johnny.

Emerson is that sleaseball who got elected as a 'liberal' and then the when the magic dust wore off and he turned back into Satan.

Did you 'understand' them?

Do you understand the first one about corporate war profiteering and the other two about censorship of images of soldiers returning in coffins?

Do you understand that Britain has been helping out there "against foreign interference and factious opposition" since 1834?

That 3,000 British troops are on their way out there?

Come on, then. What are Canadian troops doing in Afghanistan (other than being attacked)?
 
spring-peeper said:
Do I think that it is important that we stay? Yes.
Has parliment discussed the possibility of having to hand over people to the Americans? Yes.
Has this issue caused conflict here in Canada? oh yes!!!
Am I interested in what a fellow Canadian who lives on the other side of the country thinks? oh yes!!!
Why are your troops in Afghanistan? You seem to be impling that it's to protect Afghanis from Americans.

Why do you 'hope they stay' there?
 
Backatcha Bandit said:
Why are your troops in Afghanistan? You seem to be impling that it's to protect Afghanis from Americans.

Why do you 'hope they stay' there?

Personally, I think that the whole world needs protection from the Americans, but that is off topic. ;)

Peackeeping is a Canadian concept and administered by the UN. We are very good at it. We go in and support the local government. We do not sit in judgement of whether or not we agree with the regime, we are there to ease tensions and try to stop the violence.

Canadian peacekeepers have been in Afghanistan now since 2001, but in 2005 the taliban started increasing attacks on the remote villages in the southern and eastern area. We made a perimeter and basically told everyone to behave. This is Canada's usual way of handing conflict - here are the rules, now obey or leave. It works more times than not.

This is the first mission that our peacekeepers are allowed firing their weapons, btw. When we accepted this mission, our media blitzed us and we were conditioned to accept that there will be dead Canadians, but our ten year commitment to this area will not change. So, as a nation we have adopted this area. I have no doubt that it will be run in a "Canadian" way.

That said, it is only my understanding that we are in charge of the mission. This is what the Canadian and UN media resources tell me. Internationally, this is still an American mission.
 
Backatcha Bandit said:
You utter prick, Johnny.

Emerson is that sleaseball who got elected as a 'liberal' and then the when the magic dust wore off and he turned back into Satan.

Did you 'understand' them?

Do you understand the first one about corporate war profiteering and the other two about censorship of images of soldiers returning in coffins?

Do you understand that Britain has been helping out there "against foreign interference and factious opposition" since 1834?

That 3,000 British troops are on their way out there?

Come on, then. What are Canadian troops doing in Afghanistan (other than being attacked)?

Emerson is the MP from my riding. Quick googling there, dude.
 
Nah. My mate in Medicine Hat was going on about him a while ago.

"Peacekeeping"?
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Orwell spins in his grave.

How many Canuck troops out there now? Why?
 
Backatcha Bandit said:
I'm deadly serious.

Help me get 'up-to-date on the Canadian mission'.

Why are your troops in Afghanistan?

Why do you 'hope they stay' there?


Backatcha Bandit said:
Nah. My mate in Medicine Hat was going on about him a while ago.

"Peacekeeping"?
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Orwell spins in his grave.

How many Canuck troops out there now? Why?

:confused:

:eek:

:D

gotta love those smilies :p
 
spring-peeper said:
Sweetheart - go pull the thread that was started on this subject and then get back to me.

fyi - Canada and the US have already kissed and made up over this. Do try to keep up.

Well, Canada and the US may have gotten over the issue, but, well - you know what those yanks are like:

U.S. pilot sues in friendly-fire case
Maj. Harry Schmidt says officials should not have released letter of reprimand
Apr. 9, 2006. 07:39 PM
ASSOCIATED PRESS

SPRINGFIELD, Ill. — A decorated pilot involved in a friendly-fire bombing that killed four Canadian soldiers in Afghanistan in 2002 is suing the U.S. air force, accusing it of ruining his reputation.

National Guard Maj. Harry Schmidt says military officials should not have released to the public the scathing letter of reprimand he was given for the bombing.

source
 
Backatcha Bandit said:
<snip>Apparently there's something I don't 'understand' regarding the presence of Canadian forces in Afghanistan - I'm still waiting for one of these Canuck clowns to fill in the gaps in my 'understanding'.

Are you basing your opinions on articles like Canada’s real role in Afghanistan

The Canadian International Development Agency allotted a paltry $6 million for reconstruction efforts in Afghanistan in 2005, but, because of escalating violence in Southern Afghanistan, Canadian aid projects have now been put on hold. These figures strongly suggest that all the invaders’ talk of reconstructing Afghanistan is nothing but a smokescreen designed to obscure their true intentions.

Canadians are spilling their blood to prop up a corrupt, vicious, and undemocratic puppet government, to facilitate the murderous Pax Americana, and to bring the world a little closer to catastrophe.
 
Once again - different reports...

OTTAWA, April 29 (Xinhua) -- Canada's Conservative government has quietly committed Canada to "indefinite" participation in NORAD, a joint Canada-US air defence agency that guards North America.

Defense Minister Gordon O'Connor and David Wilkins, the U.S. ambassador in Canada, signed the new North American Aerospace Defense Command treaty in an unannounced ceremony in Ottawa on Friday, the Toronto Star newspaper reported on Saturday.

The renewal of the landmark North American Aerospace Defense Command treaty gives another boost to Canada-U.S. relations after a deal on softwood lumber was reached this week.
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2006-04/29/content_4492604.htm

MONCTON, N.B. (CP) - A deal that would renew Canada's role in NORAD has not been finalized and will be debated by Parliament before it's signed, Prime Minister Stephen Harper said Saturday.

Harper was reacting to reports that Ottawa has committed Canada to indefinite participation in the military alliance in an agreement that would give it new responsibilities to protect coastlines from terrorist attacks.

"I am anticipating that we will be announcing this in the very near future, and as we have indicated to the opposition, we will be bringing this to Parliament for a full debate and a vote before we finalize the agreement," Harper said before a provincial Tory fundraiser in Moncton, N.B.
http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=9560300d-c229-4ec6-a113-257a24f9e42e&k=29786&p=1

This is exactly the same as soft lumber. In Canadian reports, it was open for discussion. Globally, it was a done-deal. On the brighter side, at least the Canadian public has less than 24 hours to make this decision.

This is starting to get a little disturbing. I don't trust Harper - a little too much US money into his campaign chest maybe?
 
A new approach to training our army is taking place in Winnipeg. This training excerise will be taking place with city limits and the army will be carrying guns.

Today, the enemies hide in the back alleys and homes of villages. They wear no uniforms. Bombs are hidden under civilian clothing or crammed in the trunk of a car. Rules of war don't exist.

To adapt to this new battlefield, the Canadian military is changing the way it trains its soldiers. Running war games in wide-open fields no longer make sense. Canadian soldiers, military officials maintain, need to train in urban settings to learn the new ways of war.

So it is that one of the largest urban warfare exercises in Canadian history kicks off in Winnipeg today, and continues, day and night through to Saturday.

Most of the 500 soldiers in town to take part in Exercise Charging Bison come from the 38 Canadian Brigade Group, which has its headquarters in Winnipeg. About 40 U.S. Army National Guard members from Minnesota are also taking part.

Lt.-Col. Jim Fitzgerald of 38 Canadian Brigade Group said the exercise will replicate the full spectrum of activities soldiers are now expected to juggle in conflicts worldwide, from combat operations, vehicle patrols and search operations to humanitarian relief efforts.

"We need to train the soldiers to pay attention to their military mission while dealing with courtesy issues and not getting distracted by the public,'' he said. "This year and next we're preparing for international operations. This exercise will better help us get ready."
http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=559c4c3a-c49b-4ec9-9a7d-c82182f09957&k=82987

only in Canada, eh.
 
Nato countries are being warned to prepare their public for more death's as the Afghanistan as campaign expands.

BRUSSELS, Belgium -- Governments in NATO countries must prepare public opinion for the risk of more casualties in Afghanistan as their troops move into the volatile southern region in an expanding security mission, the alliance's secretary general warned Tuesday.

"It is a dangerous mission, but NATO cannot afford to fail," Jaap de Hoop Scheffer told a news conference. "Realism demands that there will be more incidents, there will be more casualties, but NATO will stand firm."

De Hoop Scheffer briefed reporters before a meeting of NATO foreign ministers Thursday and Friday in Sofia, Bulgaria. Canada is being represented by Foreign Affairs Minister Peter MacKay.
http://www.canada.com/story.html?id=c0654a3b-c61d-4a2e-bda4-6fa19d4370a7
 
Look, Canada went hunting again - Canadian troops kill up to 20 Taliban

KABUL (Reuters) - Canadian troops killed up to 20 Taliban insurgents who were preparing to ambush a military convoy in southern Afghanistan, a Canadian military spokesman said on Monday.

The weekend clash took place in the southern province of Helmand, where on Monday British forces took over security responsibilities from U.S. forces.

Violence has intensified in Afghanistan in recent months with scores of people killed in clashes and suicide blasts as NATO members, including Canada and Britain, build up troop numbers in the dangerous south.

"Our convoy using night-vision optics on their vehicle were able to see three vehicles preparing for an ambush," Canadian spokesman Major Marc Theriault said of the Saturday night clash.

The convoy was travelling to a remote base in the Sangin district of Helmand province when the insurgents were spotted, he said.

Canadian forces attacked and destroyed the three vehicles which contained 15 to 20 insurgents, he said. No Canadians were hurt.
 
Backatcha Bandit said:
Nah. My mate in Medicine Hat was going on about him a while ago.

"Peacekeeping"?
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Orwell spins in his grave.

How many Canuck troops out there now? Why?

My relatives in Alberta have barely heard of him. Also, alberta being a conservative stronghold, they tend to support what he did.

My guess is that your mate in Medicine Hat is actually at Base Suffield.
 
It matters not what you 'guess', derail-o-bot.

Tell us - how would you feel if a bunch of tooled up Afghani's came to your neighbourhood and fucked up a dozen or more people so badly that you couldn't tell how many bodies all the bits came from. And in the name of what, exactly?

'Hunting'. So sick it deserves a special smiley.

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Backatcha Bandit said:
It matters not what you 'guess', derail-o-bot.

Tell us - how would you feel if a bunch of tooled up Afghani's came to your neighbourhood and fucked up a dozen or more people so badly that you couldn't tell how many bodies all the bits came from. And in the name of what, exactly?
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When and where did canadian soldiers do that?

And your buddy is a brit soldier at Suffield, isn't he?
 
Johnny Canuck2 said:
When and where did canadian soldiers do that?

And your buddy is a brit soldier at Suffield, isn't he?
You know nnnnnnuuuuuufing. You are stooooooopido. :D

How would you feel, Johnny? Have they programmed you to do that yet?
 
Mr. Tkachuk, who arrived in Afghanistan last summer, is on a one-year contract financed by the Canadian International Development Agency to help rebuild and reform Afghanistan's dilapidated prison system. He is the only foreign corrections adviser at the UN mission in Afghanistan.

It's a daunting task. The prisons here are overcrowded, crumbling, squalid and in urgent need of basic sanitation and water. And the situation is growing worse. More than 6,000 prisoners are crowded into Afghanistan's 34 main provincial prisons today, a dramatic tenfold increase from the 600 inmates in the same prisons when the Taliban regime was toppled in 2001.

The Taliban, who preferred to mete out rough justice in the streets with lashes and beatings, kept few people in its prison system and allowed the jails to deteriorate. Today, as the Afghan court system expands, the prison population is rising sharply. Yet the jails are falling apart.

"The physical infrastructure is essentially destroyed," Mr. Tkachuk said. "Most of the prisons are mud structures, and they erode very fast. The walls and towers are crumbling and collapsing."

Of the 34 major prisons in Afghanistan, 24 are considered to be overcrowded, with more detainees than their maximum capacity, according to a report by the International Committee of the Red Cross.

One prison, in Logar province, was keeping its inmates in an underground chamber as recently as last year. The practice ended after foreign experts complained.

Some prisons are basically uninhabitable while others are so damaged they need major renovations. Some jails are rented from private landlords and were never designed to serve as prisons. "Only about five or six of the 34 main prisons in Afghanistan actually have secure walls and can adequately maintain their prisoners," Mr. Tkachuk said.

"It's a question of basic human rights. Without a functioning prison system, human-rights violations are inevitable. These violations do occur and will occur if we don't help them."

According to a consultant's report for the Afghan Ministry of Justice, most prisoners are feeling "despair" because of the shortage of food and medicine. In many cases, they are deprived of food as a method of punishment, the report said.

Female prisoners, along with their children, are often imprisoned in the same jail as male prisoners, without any separate facilities.

Mr. Tkachuk is hoping that the international community will donate funds to modernize or rebuild the prisons. But he admits it is a difficult struggle to catch the attention of donors.

"There's very much a shortage of countries willing to build prisons in Afghanistan," he said. "It becomes a marketing game. We're competing with the schools and hospitals."

I can understand that schools and hospitals important, but so is the correction system.
 
Military right to hand over prisoners, PM says

MISSISSAUGA -- Prime Minister Stephen Harper yesterday defended the handing over of suspected Taliban insurgents captured by Canadian troops to Afghan authorities.

"They are handing them over in accord with the treaty that we have signed with the government of Afghanistan to respect all of Canada's obligations under the Geneva Convention," he told reporters at the end of a campaign-style event, at which he announced changes in immigration policy.

"We expect the Afghan government to live up to those obligations, and we have every reason to believe that they will," Mr. Harper said when asked what assurances Canada has that the captured Afghans are not being delivered to those who would kill them.

Canadian soldiers captured 10 prisoners thought to be Taliban fighters or sympathizers in a raid on a suspected Taliban hideout about 70 kilometres north of Kandahar this week, and after transporting them to Kandahar airfield, turned them over to Afghan authorities.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20060513.HARPER13/TPStory
 
Canadian base attacked in Afghanistan

Two rockets exploded inside the main coalition military base in southern Afghanistan Saturday night in the latest attack by suspected Taliban insurgents.

The two loud explosions, within moments of each other, shook the Kandahar airfield just before 9 p.m., local time, without causing any casualties.

About 2,000 Canadian soldiers, along with several thousand troops from other coalition countries, are based at the Kandahar airfield.

The rocket attacks are believed to have been caused by Taliban militants firing Soviet-made 107-millimetre rockets.

Within seconds of the attack, soldiers rushed into concrete bunkers for shelter, while helicopters were scrambled to search for the source of the attack.

The latest attack is the fifth Taliban rocket attack on the Kandahar airfield since the arrival of the main force of the Canadian troops in early March. It is the first rocket attack since April 23.

In the previous attacks, the Taliban fired 107-millimetre Soviet-made rockets, which have a range of about nine kilometres. Because of a lack of proper launching systems, the Taliban rocket attacks are usually very inaccurate.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20060513.wafghan0513/BNStory/Front/home
 
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