forgot how good Morrison Hotel is
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Kanda said:
so you don't believe tastes can change? you believe that if you liked something when you were a kid and don't now, it has to be because you've been convinced not to by your peers?
that's arse
Kanda said:No, people should stick to their guns ffs!!!
Agreed! It seems flakey to do otherwise, disloyal and flakey!
especially where music is concerned!
The thought of ever 'going off' led zeppelin, Jimi hendrix and PJ harvey these days seems ludicrous to me.
in fact, my tastes from childhood in books, music and film havent really changed! The Shining is still one of my favourite films and was at 13, Roald Dahl remains my favourite author, and A Christmas Carol favourite book.
firky said:
Because I have the same tastes now as i had as a kid?
you're weird
bluestreak
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Cheesypoof said:
i don't know how you can say that as your tastes get more complex you don't go off things that once you thought were good. perhaps i wasn't as cool... uh... didn't have as good taste as you did but when i was twelve i thought iron maiden and motley crue were the height of sophistication. but as anyone will tell you, in order to get to the complex musical and lyrical arrangements of some artists you have to learn how to listen to and appreciate the less complex stuff, just as you need to read children's literature in order to learn how to read adult literature. to my teenage ears jim morrison was a deep and complex peyote poet. sadly as i got older i realised that drug-fucked wafflers like him are two-a-penny and perhaps it was as much the novelty value at the time that made him popular. on the other hand when he wasn't trying to be clever, the doors were a good blues rock band... cf LA Woman. in much the same way, as a teenager i thought that my poetry about blood and knives and the darkness inherant in the soul was dead clever adn the reason you never read anything like that in the poetry press was becuase no-one had ever come up with anything like that before. then i got older and wiser.
so if you're going to sit back and call me a fashion victim because i no longer listen to iron maiden and write bedsit poetry i rather feel that i ought to point out that i think perhaps you might have, and i mean this with the best of possible intentions, but you might have problems with the adult world. the arrogance of youth is a wonderful thing, and by god too many people lose the strength of belief they had in their teens, but to fetishise that time as your formative artistic experiences being the most valid ones to the degree that you feel the need to denigrate those who disagree with the premise... well, i think that's cause for concern. hold a flag for the experiences that made you you, defend the tastes that formed you, but don't live in the past.
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and before you start, i liked most of those bands in my teens and in most cases still do. the ones i don't like now i have reasons for not liking.
i didnt say you were a fashion victim, bluestreak.
the way firky initially responded to me and kanda (in a really insecure, insulting and aggressive way too), was flakey, making a grand sweeping statement about being really keen on the doors as a kid and then when he grew up thinking they were 'shit'
thats whats flakey, like he wasnt listening to them for the music when he was young or something. not the capacity to change.
I like the same kind of things now as when i was young - i dont know why firky then says this is 'talking shite'
so odd...i dont get it.
(and firky, if you are gonna respond can you please do so in a civilised manner rather than lash out and get all personal (1) i dont read the personal posts or take them seriously (2) when you get all personal, it makes you, or anyone else look defensive and insecure)
the way firky initially responded to me and kanda (in a really insecure, insulting and aggressive way too), was flakey, making a grand sweeping statement about being really keen on the doors as a kid and then when he grew up thinking they were 'shit'
thats whats flakey, like he wasnt listening to them for the music when he was young or something. not the capacity to change.
I like the same kind of things now as when i was young - i dont know why firky then says this is 'talking shite'
so odd...i dont get it.
(and firky, if you are gonna respond can you please do so in a civilised manner rather than lash out and get all personal (1) i dont read the personal posts or take them seriously (2) when you get all personal, it makes you, or anyone else look defensive and insecure)
All guess work, cheesypoof. When I was a kid I thought taking acid, smoking dope and getting high was cool - and there was something in Jim's poetry, christ, I even liked the film. However once I discovered the beat generation I realised that there's thousands of people like these. Kerouac, Ginsberg's et al - all of them much of a likeness (nothing 'like' the doors merely anti-conformist conformists, like yourself). You're now back pedalling, thus talking shite (again)!
I'll respond to you how I choose and like you have responded to me and others in the past.
I'll respond to you how I choose and like you have responded to me and others in the past.
firky said:
you've thought about it now i see. why didnt you say this yesterday? nevermind.
On the subject of the beats there wasnt thousands like them firks, as to my reasonable knowledge on beatniks the beats was a small movement, very small.
I havent ever had a go at someone on here for no reason by the way. if you read back after my retorts, i am usually answering back someone who has attacked me or insulted me, unprovoked. I dont go for a kill for no reason, and dont send an angry PM for no reason either - never. It would usually be in response to someone having a go at me, or not believing me when i say what i am thinking or whatever, its insulting to be called a charlatan, because I am genuine. On the conformist anti conformist whatever, i dont know what that means -and i dont know how you could see me this way when almost every view i express on this message board is the opposite of what lots of people think. I have been brought up this way and wouldnt debate my point painstakingly if i didnt believe it. I have no interest in being popular on urban, and i am not popular - that is 100 per cent cool with me.
But ANYWAY, rather than thrash this out any further with you, i would like to direct you to this little gem of a website i think you will love (its my favourite website, you probably know it and if you havent seen it before - enjoy! I mean that sincerely)
Diane Di prima and greg corso are my favourites. let me know which ones you like.
http://www.rooknet.com/beatpage/index.html
Spion
I hear ya
I think I'm seeing a pattern here. The 'generation' who got into em around when they made that film being the loudest rejectors of their past Doors enthusiasms. When I got into em it was just through mates, they were just there, no hype or anything, so perhaps less to get all 'they were overrated etc' about?Flashman said:
118118 said:sometimes listening to music is really difficult
why? its like breathing, surely?
nah cos to get what it is and not live in it you've got to be reflecting on yourself and thinking the music in the right way at the same time.
i haven't started from scratch again for a few months tho. and if i think that i need to, i just put on a bit of 12 tone, and immediately know what the score is
i haven't started from scratch again for a few months tho. and if i think that i need to, i just put on a bit of 12 tone, and immediately know what the score is
yeah i saw the melvins this year - they were on tour. they did rip it out of the crowd (or so the wire said), but i managed to keep my disgust from showing. but the point i was making, is that at the end as they exited i stood at the front begging for them to shake the audience's hand. they didn't tho, pissed the off tbh - i would have been well chuffed
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