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Who's Rob Newham?
Who's Rob Newham?
Foreign Ownership of Amerikkka
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anybodygotapen? said:My goodness...your smarter than I thought
Who's Rob Newham?
Rob Newham is no-one... Rob Newman is a comedian who specialises in political commentry - pretty good he is too, I believe ed had him performing last week.
America have been pulling off shit for decades - the whole eurodollar thing, the profits from the 1970s oil crises, enngineering of 3rd world debt... Well, i say America, it's really anglo-america.
Fullyplumped
in a personal capacity
What is the significance of referring to the United States of America as "Amerikkka"? I've seen this used before here but never understood what it meant.
Fullyplumped
in a personal capacity
That's really depressing. Whatever one might think of the policies of the current US administration, it is ridiculous and insulting to a nation of 300m people to speak of them in that way. It's like re-naming the United Kingdom something like "the United KiNFgdom". I know lots of people from the US and I've never come across any who could fairly be spoken of like that. Azreal23 must be an idiot.frogwoman said:its coz of the kkk innit?
Fullyplumped said:
It's a tradition, going back to the days of lynchings and the Panthers.
Fullyplumped said:
It's clear it applies to the administration, not all 300M people. And the administration is more dangerous than the KKK if you're a non-white person residing outside the USA.
Not that Azunreal23 would understand any of these distinctions. Isn't there a lizard that makes a "k-k-k" sound?
Andy the Don
Wise men say only fools..
Azrael23 said:
Wrong, the US government finances its deficit by selling government bonds to foriegn & US financial organisations. To make the sale of these bonds attractive the US has to a rate of interest that attracts lenders.
What you should be mentioning is the fact that the Western economies it is not the governments that control the money supply, previously a vital ecinomic role, but the banks who now control the supply of money in the form of consummer credit.
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
Ah right, so Deutchebank, BNP Paribas, Mitsubank, HSBC (which stands for Hong Kong Shanghai Banking Corporation, Bank of China, Mercantile Bank of Malaysia have nothing to do with international banking, finanace etc.
The US sets the way the banking systems work, all the others follow suit - I don't mind laying the blame at bankers, what I object to is this belief that only US/Anglo banks are the evildoers...
As for the rest of this thread...usual Azrael drivel really. If you don't like foreign ownership of companies go live somewhere that hasn't signed up to the WTO so can't have any of it's industries owned by a foreign country - somewhere like Burma perhaps? Or North Korea.
A Dashing Blade
Takes horses to water but can't make donkeys drink
Azrael23 said:
Defining "most" as meaning "more than 50%" and defining "run" as "owned by" I think you'll have difficulty justifying that statement.
pembrokestephen
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I think it's just one of those rather petty things that people do, probably because they're getting overexcitable about their subject, but which tends to diminish the impact of any rational arguments they might be trying to make.Tom A said:
I tend to see it very much in the same vein as calling Tony Blair "Tony Bliar" - all very true, and dead funny the first...ooh, couple of thousand times you read it, but it quickly palls, and undermines the seriousness of the debate.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
pembrokestephen said:
Did you just use the phrase "rational argument" on a thread started by Azrael23?
Yeah, I thought you did!
Azrael,
Didn't you reckon the queen (of England) owns the Federal Reserve? Can you explain how much and, more importantly, how you know?
Some links would be good too, but let's avoid Joe Vialls and Prison Planet.
New+Vogue+Child
a bit renaissance
anybodygotapen? said:My goodness...your smarter than I thought
Who's Rob Newham?
Your question has already been answered, but you can see the show (A Brief History of Oil) that Cid referenced On Google Video
pembrokestephen
New Member
Only for comic effectSpymaster said:Did you just use the phrase "rational argument" on a thread started by Azrael23?
Yeah, I thought you did!
Azrael is one of the more personable of the looneytunes contingent, and actually has a sense of humour. Sometimes it's fun to play some of his more weirdly curved balls back with a straight bat.I do tend to tire of it rather fast, though...
Oooh, unfair! You'll be asking him to post with one hand tied behind his back while the other molests an owl, next...Spymaster said:
Rob Newman was one part of the Mary Whitehouse Experience, then Newman aqnd Baddiel, at one point early 1990's they packed out Wembley Stadium and comedy was dubbed the new rock and roll. Rob basically gave it all up and dropped out of it and is now basically a brilliant and very funny but low profile anti-capitalist comedian/satirist while Baddiel, well he's still a grade A wanker.
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Andy the Don said:
Sorry should have been clearer, the fed reckons that by printing and printing and printing they can devalue the currency and shrink the real size of the debt. I know about hot money.
The banks receive credit/currency from the central banks which is then multiplied by the fractional reserve system. Is that right?
Fong said:
YES YES YES
You see after the federal reserve act of 1913 the devaluation of the dollar stands at 97% or a $ today being worth 3% of what it was then. The only thing which has hidden this has been the $ being the reserve oil currency.
If this ends then the economy crashes before its been set up as beneficial to the elite. Now crashes are good for them but only when they have set it up so that not only do the assets move in their favour but also the emotion, the anger. You time the crash to ensure theres a war, an event, in order to shift focus. I hope you understand what I mean.
But yeah these countries were retaliating against America in the best way they could, economically.
The US economy is going down the pan but thats the whole point, its not about the USA, the USA is a vehicle. As my first post was supposed to illustrate the USA is not run by Americans any more than Mexico is run by Mexicans. The british traders have the biggest pull in the US, The vice chairman of the fed was on the Radio last week informing us all how the MPC and other Euro-central banks help set fed. policy. Not many people realise this, hell I never used to believe it until I heard it with my own ears, straight from the horses mouth.
What a tangled web they have woven.
In Bloom said:
Why? Because debt is control. If your in debt the banks can confiscate wealth from you, real wealth. Whereas what they lent you is credit.... nothingness.
The poorer people are, the less educated and the less able they are to progress in society and therefore air their grievances.
Its maintained by debt based currency creation by the central banks and the fractional reserve system by the corporate banks.
Just in the interest of balance (without any illusions that we will not just get a load of ad hominem)
Debunking Federal Reserve Conspiracy theory
From the interesting Public Eye site which concentrates on exposing and debunking far-right, populist and religious conspiracism in the US.
The problems that face the world are chiefly systemic - not the result of a messianic conspiracy. Conspiracies do occur as people construct and develop belief systems to justify and enable the defence of their interests. This should not distract from the systemic roots of these conspiracies. Attempts to link up actions taken by various elements of the powerful into some over-arching grand theory or plan are simply latter day examples of the religious impulse IMO.
Those interested in real social, economic and political progress need to look beyond the demonisation of individuals and groups to the material basis of the power that is being wielded (this makes it easier to see the conflicts of interest that are the dynamic force of history, rather than the ideological vessels in which they are clothed).
Debunking Federal Reserve Conspiracy theory
From the interesting Public Eye site which concentrates on exposing and debunking far-right, populist and religious conspiracism in the US.
The problems that face the world are chiefly systemic - not the result of a messianic conspiracy. Conspiracies do occur as people construct and develop belief systems to justify and enable the defence of their interests. This should not distract from the systemic roots of these conspiracies. Attempts to link up actions taken by various elements of the powerful into some over-arching grand theory or plan are simply latter day examples of the religious impulse IMO.
Those interested in real social, economic and political progress need to look beyond the demonisation of individuals and groups to the material basis of the power that is being wielded (this makes it easier to see the conflicts of interest that are the dynamic force of history, rather than the ideological vessels in which they are clothed).
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
1. Unless you're talking about Norway, Denmark or the UK the only central bank in Europe that 'help' (see later points) the Fed make is't policy decisions is the ECB.
2. The Fed will make policy based on what the ECB, BoJ, BoE and EVERY OTHER MAJOR central bank that the US trades with do - it's called interdependency. If the ECB puts interest rates up this will have a knock on affect in the US, and the Fed will need to take this into account when making policy.
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