Forced removals to Iraq: nice.

[tbaldwin]

well I never voted to kill off thousands of Iraqis like she did and turn their country into a warzone so no, guess I haven't done as much for them as her..

Ha Ha Ha,
Yes thats right she voted to kill thousands of Iraqis..... And turn the country into a warzone.
And you mum asked you to tidy your room. So really shes just like Hitler....

 

[X-77]

Ha Ha Ha,
Yes thats right she voted to kill thousands of Iraqis..... And turn the country into a warzone.
And you mum asked you to tidy your room. So really shes just like Hitler....

so that wasn't the (inevitable) consequence of her voting for the invasion?

 

[tbaldwin]

so that wasn't the (inevitable) consequence of her voting for the invasion?

Strangely enough i think she did what she thought was best for the people of Iraq. But i suppose as she went against the liberal establishment we can overlook the fact that shes campaigned for many years, when the issue was far less fashionable and just call her a fascist.
Tidied your room yet?

 

[X-77]

Strangely enough i think she did what she thought was best for the people of Iraq. But i suppose as she went against the liberal establishment we can overlook the fact that shes campaigned for many years, when the issue was far less fashionable and just call her a fascist.
Tidied your room yet?

no one but you using the word fascist.

And it's always nice when people can sit all cosy in parliament and decide what's 'best' for another nation - especially when the idea of 'best' is to rain bombs down on them. The only ones she's done her 'best' by is Blair, the white house and all the US/other corporations who do very nicely out of war thank you very much.

 

[Pigeon]

Strangely enough i think she did what she thought was best for the people of Iraq.

So, given that she apparently didn't want the place to become a warzone, but it has become a warzone, and given that she's concerned for what's best for the people of Iraq, has she issued a statement in support of the Kurdish community organisations opposed to the forced deportations proposed by the Government of which she is a member?

Y/N?

 

[Pigeon]

Ha Ha Ha,
Yes thats right she voted to ... turn the country into a warzone.

Is it in some way possible to vote for a war in a country while simultaneously hoping said country doesn't become a "warzone"?

 

[chegrimandi]

demos announced here:

Join these public actions in protest at deportations to Iraq:

LONDON
Friday 26 August 12pm - 2pm
Home Office, Marsham Street, London SW1P 4DF

CARDIFF
Thursday 25 August 11:30am
Government Office
Welsh Assembly
Cathays Park

MANCHESTER
Thursday 25 August 2pm - 4pm
Piccadilly Park

SHEFFIELD
Thursday 25 August 7pm
Public Meeting

GLASGOW
Details not yet available
Call Kurdish Cultural Association for time and place
0773 404 9594

 

[Pigeon]

Also Birmingham:

Sat 27th August, 1pm.

Outside Virgin Megastore, High St, City Centre.

 

[redsquirrel]

Strangely enough i think she did what she thought was best for the people of Iraq.

Despite the fact that MI6, the CIA and shit loads of others pointed out the the current situation in Iraq (and the resultant increase in terrorism) was highly likely.

 

[tbaldwin]

Despite the fact that MI6, the CIA and shit loads of others pointed out the the current situation in Iraq (and the resultant increase in terrorism) was highly likely.

Er so you prefer the word of the CIA etc to that of someone who has campaigned for years on the subject..
The truth is nobody had a crystal ball and predictions from a whole range of people indicated that they thought the allies and the iraqis would suffer far more casualties than seems to be the case.

PS were you in favour of sanctions?

 

[tbaldwin]

Is it in some way possible to vote for a war in a country while simultaneously hoping said country doesn't become a "warzone"?

Id have thought so,unless you think that all wars are totally wrong.Including the second world war etc. And that no War is ever motivated by any degree of humanitarianism.

 

[redsquirrel]

Er so you prefer the word of the CIA etc to that of someone who has campaigned for years on the subject.

Do you mean believe what they say or that the CIA have a better grasp of the situation than one MP. I certainly think the CIA have a better idea (as indeed they did as Iraq is now a wasteground).

The truth is nobody had a crystal ball and predictions from a whole range of people indicated that they thought the allies and the iraqis would suffer far more casualties than seems to be the case.

No but the secenario which is a present is occuring wasn't totally unexpected and she can't haev been unaware of it.

PS were you in favour of sanctions?

No

 

[redsquirrel]

Id have thought so,unless you think that all wars are totally wrong.Including the second world war etc. And that no War is ever motivated by any degree of humanitarianism.

Eh how can a place which a war is currently being fought in not be a warzone?

 

[tbaldwin]

Eh how can a place which a war is currently being fought in not be a warzone?

But my point is that wasnt what AC wanted. She wanted to see an end to Saddams rule,in the same way that people wanted to see an end to Hitlers.

 

[redsquirrel]

But my point is that wasnt what AC wanted. She wanted to see an end to Saddams rule,in the same way that people wanted to see an end to Hitlers.

Yes so she wanted Iraq to become a warzone. Admittadly for a short a time as possible and with as few as casulaties as possible.

 

[Pigeon]

Id have thought so,unless you think that all wars are totally wrong.

My head hurts.

 

[Pigeon]

But my point is that wasnt what AC wanted. She wanted to see an end to Saddams rule,in the same way that people wanted to see an end to Hitlers.

So anyway. She supports the Kurds, yes?

Does she support their right not to be returned to a, ahem, warzone, if they should so choose?

Y/N???

 

[tbaldwin]

Do you mean believe what they say or that the CIA have a better grasp of the situation than one MP. I certainly think the CIA have a better idea (as indeed they did as Iraq is now a wasteground).No but the secenario which is a present is occuring wasn't totally unexpected and she can't haev been unaware of it.No

Not sure of CIAs statements or motivations behind them. They have a somewhat dodgy track record.. And they have not always been totally honest..
I agree though the present scenario was not totally unexpected but i think a lot of people thought it would be a lot more deaths, a lot quicker.
Certainly few would have predicted Saddam would have been captured with less than 1,000 US soldiers killed.
And on the other side some people thought the allies would be welcomed much more than they have.

 

[tbaldwin]

So anyway. She supports the Kurds, yes?

Does she support their right not to be returned to a, ahem, warzone, if they should so choose?

Y/N???

I dont know sorry.
Do you know how many casualties are happening in Kurdish areas recently?

 

[redsquirrel]

Not sure of CIAs statements or motivations behind them. They have a somewhat dodgy track record.. And they have not always been totally honest..

Obviously

Certainly few would have predicted Saddam would have been captured with less than 1,000 US soldiers killed.

I don't agree with this. In fact casulaties have been higher than the US military originally expected, certainly around the time of Falluja.

 

[Pigeon]

I dont know sorry.
Do you know how many casualties are happening in Kurdish areas recently?

Does anyone count such things, unless the casualties in question are western troops/hostages?

I do know that the UNHCR has said that no part of Iraq can presently be consdered safe. Which is why the Kurds- the majority of whom supported the war- aren't too keen on being stuck on the next military flight to Erbil.

Strange that St Ann's not had time to comment, what with being so concerned and all.

 

[tbaldwin]

Strange that St Ann's not had time to comment, what with being so concerned and all.

erm has she been canonised or is the St Ann bit an attempt at cutting edge humour?

 

[Pigeon]

erm has she been canonised or is the St Ann bit an attempt at cutting edge humour?

Look, I just do the best I can with the material I'm given, but I'm a simple soul.

But I fully realise I could never scale the Olympian Heights of hilarity you attained the other day when you enquired if money had changed hands when I met a former prostitute through work. THAT was "cutting edge humour".

 

[tbaldwin]

Look, I just do the best I can with the material I'm given, but I'm a simple soul.

But I fully realise I could never scale the Olympian Heights of hilarity you attained the other day when you enquired if money had changed hands when I met a former prostitute through work. THAT was "cutting edge humour".

Im glad you appreciated it St Pigeon.

 

[Pigeon]

Im glad you appreciated it St Pigeon.

Wa-hey! See what he did there!

 

[R.I.C.O.]

He'll call you a "liberal racist" next.

 

[Pigeon]

He'll call you a "liberal racist" next.

Wish he'd hurry up...

(a season in panto surely awaits).

 

[tbaldwin]

Wish he'd hurry up...

(a season in panto surely awaits).

Oh no, I Wont...

 

[chegrimandi]

re: protest in london tmw - I will be there

'LONDON
Friday 26 August 12pm - 2pm
Home Office, Marsham Street, London SW1P 4DF'

come down and say hi if you are about....