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bluestreak

HomosexualityIsStalin’sAtomBombtoDestroyAmerica
Got to say, I'm in social housing on an infamous estate and my kitchen has more appeal. The Poet's Corner kitchen pictured is devoid of merit, let alone charm. It's made me feel really quite smug.
i like your kitchen better too :D
 

Ms T

Honey-coloured ramparts
The 'chandelier' in picture 8 is shit and the seller could have at least made an effort with the garden if they want £380k.
They haven't got a garden, just a potential roof terrace which needs planning permission.
 

Mrs Magpie

On a bit of break...
Can't put plants in tubs on that unless you get a surveyor in to check it's safe to take the weight. Also it could cause damp problems in the room underneath. Flat roofs are a complete nightmare.
 

Ms T

Honey-coloured ramparts
Pfft. Who cares?

Still can't afford it.
It's annoying to those of us who live in London when people point out that you can get a lot more for a lot less in other places in the country. Like the Orkneys. Yes, I know that but my job and friends are in London and guess what, I actually like living here.
 

trashpony

Ovaries and tings
It's annoying to those of us who live in London when people point out that you can get a lot more for a lot less in other places in the country. Like the Orkneys. Yes, I know that but my job and friends are in London and guess what, I actually like living here.
It's completely fucking pointless too :D
 

ymu

Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
It's annoying to those of us who live in London when people point out that you can get a lot more for a lot less in other places in the country. Like the Orkneys. Yes, I know that but my job and friends are in London and guess what, I actually like living here.
Yeah. And the rest if us have to fork out a fortune in housing benefit so you lot can afford to live in that glorious(ly unaffordable) city. At leat allow us to point and laugh at the stupidity of it. It's that or cry tbh.
 

spanglechick

High Empress of Dressing Up
Yeah. And the rest if us have to fork out a fortune in housing benefit so you lot can afford to live in that glorious(ly unaffordable) city. At leat allow us to point and laugh at the stupidity of it. It's that or cry tbh.
say what?
 

ymu

Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
say what?
If everyone who worked in low paid jobs in London had to be paid enough to live there, no one else would be able to afford to live there.

Cities like London can't exist without taxes from the provinces.
 

ymu

Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
It's not the fault of people who have to live and work there, but single person rents that are unaffordable on wages paid for a full-time worker are not right.
 

littlebabyjesus

one of Maxwell's demons
Not many people in London who are working full-time claim housing benefit, tbf. If you don't live in social housing, you're likely to be in a shared house, not in your own flat.

And anyway, it's not the workers who are being subsidised. It's the landlords.
 

GarfieldLeChat

fucking awesome but wrong
If everyone who worked in low paid jobs in London had to be paid enough to live there, no one else would be able to afford to live there.

Cities like London can't exist without taxes from the provinces.
bollocks....

as most of the jobs and money made by the country comes from London and is div'ved up to the rest of the country how the hell do you work that out??
 

spanglechick

High Empress of Dressing Up
It's not the fault of people who have to live and work there, but single person rents that are unaffordable on wages paid for a full-time worker are not right.
true - whch is my most people in that situation live in shared accommodation. and certainly aren't eligible for housing benefit. which at any rate is more than covered by the tax revenue contributed by people who live here.

your original point is just bizarre.
 

ymu

Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
That's not actually true. The UKs biggest tax revenue comes from the South East.
Doesn't matter.

How many shops/restaurants/hotels/theatres would there be in London if they had to have a viable business plan based on no housing benefits or tax credits to support the workers?

London can't exist in its current form without massive subsidy from the poor (the taxpayer) to the rich (those who can afford a decent place in London without social housing, benefits or tax credits, and the businesses that can pay huge rents and poverty wages).

I'll see if I can find figures on the size of the benefits subsidy to the SE.
 

littlebabyjesus

one of Maxwell's demons
Um, the 'rich' are in the main the ones charging the massive rents, not those struggling to pay them. The majority of single people not in social housing in London who work live in shared housing and don't claim any form of housing benefit. Housing benefit inflates private rents to an extent, making landlords rich, nobody else.

And I'm sorry, but do you know how much they leave you to live on with housing benefit? I'll tell you. It is the dole plus ten quid (or was the last time I claimed). Such people are not swanning around in shops/restaurants/hotels/theatres. And you just don't work full time if your rent is that high that you have to claim HB. You move somewhere cheaper.
 

Ms T

Honey-coloured ramparts
Yeah. And the rest if us have to fork out a fortune in housing benefit so you lot can afford to live in that glorious(ly unaffordable) city. At leat allow us to point and laugh at the stupidity of it. It's that or cry tbh.
I have no idea what you're talking about but I don't rent my home or claim housing benefit. And I'm not particularly rich, just lucky enough to have bought a flat a long time ago.
 

Ms T

Honey-coloured ramparts
Doesn't matter.

How many shops/restaurants/hotels/theatres would there be in London if they had to have a viable business plan based on no housing benefits or tax credits to support the workers?

London can't exist in its current form without massive subsidy from the poor (the taxpayer) to the rich (those who can afford a decent place in London without social housing, benefits or tax credits, and the businesses that can pay huge rents and poverty wages).

I'll see if I can find figures on the size of the benefits subsidy to the SE.

London subsidises the rest of the country, not the other way round.
 

ymu

Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
Here's the problem caused just by the coalition's proposals. Finding the numbers is trickier. ...

A third of England will become unaffordable for low-income households within a decade according to a study by two leading housing organisations A report by the housing charity Shelter and the Chartered Institute of Housing (CIH) claims that government plans to overhaul housing benefit would price low-income households out of a third of local authorities in England, pushing them into areas of high unemployment The changes, to be introduced in 2013, were outlined in last month's welfare reform bill, which established that future increases to local housing allowance for private tenants will be linked to the consumer price index of inflation rather than the cost of local rents Shelter and CIH warn that this means that, in places where rents rise faster than inflation housing benefit will increasingly fail to cover housing costs. Their report claims that by 2023, 34% of local authorities outside London will be unaffordable for people claiming local housing allowance, including those in working households on low incomes or unable to work such as pensioners, carers and people with disabilities Earlier research carried out for Shelter by Cambridge University has already predicted that many on housing benefit in London will have to move out of their homes to areas where rents are lower. But suggestions that those outside the capital will also be affected is likely to revive concerns that the changes will contribute to a form of social engineering that will have consequences for much of the country.

http://m.guardian.co.uk/society/2011/mar/05/benefit-low-income-households?cat=society&type=article.
 

littlebabyjesus

one of Maxwell's demons
What does that have to do with what you posted before. I repeat: full-time workers do not claim housing benefit in London. And if any do, they certainly don't have any disposable income to spend anywhere other than Lidl. Have you ever claimed housing benefit? I don't want to be rude, but you don't seem to understand what it is.
 

ymu

Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
What does that have to do with what you posted before. I repeat: full-time workers do not claim housing benefit in London. And if any do, they certainly don't have any disposable income to spend anywhere other than Lidl. Have you ever claimed housing benefit? I don't want to be rude, but you don't seem to understand what it is.
They bloody well do! How on earth do you think people afford the rents! We fork out £400/week if you're unemployed, but if you're on minimum wage you'll have to pay out more in rent than you earn?

What planet are you on?

There would be no shops, hotels, restaurants or theatres in London without housing benefit. Or rather, London would not exist in its current forn because businesses would not get subsidised on the cost of being there, so they would create jobs somewhere more sensibly priced.

To shop in London is to receive a state subsidy.
 
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