Football & War Seminar - Free Event at Champion Hill - Weds 27th March

Discussion in 'Dulwich Hamlet FC' started by Blitzwalker, Jan 15, 2019.

  1. Blitzwalker

    Blitzwalker Well-Known Member

    Some of you may remember that I was asked to speak at the 'Football & War' seminar last year at Wolverhampton University. In order to reach a wider audience outside of the West Midlands, it has now been decided to hold some of these events 'on the road' and as such, we have been asked to host the first of these at Champion Hill, in the clubhouse on Wednesday 27th March, running from 7pm to 10pm, with a break for refreshments approximately halfway through.

    The 'in house' speakers will be Roger Deason, Jack McInroy and myself, who will be talking about the Club's involvement in both World Wars as well as our player casualties. Following a break, we will then have two guest speakers - Tim Godden, the artist and illustrator who has recently drawn Edgar Kail and Hussein Hegazi (and Adolf Jager) and who has donated a percentage of the sales of these prints to the 12th Man. The other guest speaker will be Professor Gary Sheffield, the eminent military historian and author, who will be speaking about the wider connections between football and war. I would anticipate that Tim will have prints on sale and possibly Gary will have some of his books available as well. We will also make sure that we have copies of Roger's and my books available to anyone who hasn't got them as yet!

    This is a real feather in our cap to be asked to host this event, which is free to attend, so it would be great if we could get a really good turn out in support. It should be a fascinating evening and will be of interest, not only to history-loving Hamlet fans but also to anyone with a wider interest in history and football in general, no matter which club they support.

    We'll be getting this event publicised properly and will be pushing it on social media as well.

    As I get more details, I will post them on this thread.
     
  2. Blitzwalker

    Blitzwalker Well-Known Member

    OK, as promised - an update on this event. We're confirmed for 7pm on Wednesday 27th March. There will be five speakers on the following subjects:

    Jack McInroy - "The Hussein Hegazi Story"
    Roger Deason - "Dulwich Hamlet 1914 - 1919"
    Steve Hunnisett - "Dulwich Hamlet 1939 - 1945"

    Tim Godden - "Footballers of the Great War - The Stories Behind The Drawings"
    Professor Gary Sheffield - "Football, The British Army and the First World War"

    There will also be a Q&A session after the talks.

    Each talk will be for 30 minutes and between the "in-house" speakers and our guest speakers, there will be a short interval, although the bar will be open all evening and I understand will also be selling food by this time.

    The talks will all be illustrated and I am particularly looking forward to hearing our guest speakers. Tim will be exhibiting his prints and I'm sure will also have some for sale. Our very own Jack McInroy will also have his new book about Hussein Hegazi available, whilst Roger and my books will be available as well for those who don't already have them.

    There will be posters for this event appearing very soon, so please spread the word - it is a free event and is very much open to supporters of all football clubs who have an interest in the history of the game. It'd be great to have a decent attendance.
     
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  3. Dulwich Mishi

    Dulwich Mishi Old Skool Terrace Dinosaur-embracing the new-veau!

    Really looking forward to this, although I'll have heard 'our' three speakers before it will be an honour & a privilege to listen to them all.
     
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  4. Blitzwalker

    Blitzwalker Well-Known Member

    Thanks Mishi - I’m particularly looking forward to hearing Gary Sheffield, as he is a ‘big hitter’ in the military history world and it’ll be a real insight to hear him. Every day’s a school day for me!

    It should be a fascinating night.
     
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  5. Taper

    Taper Mark McGann

    Sounds great.
     
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  6. Roger D

    Roger D Well-Known Member

    If anyone doesn't know who Gary Sheffield is, he is recognised as one of Britain's premier WW1historians, arguably the premier. It's a bit surreal that he's turning up at the Hamlet.

    If you have any interest in this sort of thing then this is unmissable. Feel free to turn up late and miss me but you won't get many / any chances to hear Gary in Dulwich again. Put simply name any other non league club he has spoken at......
     
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  7. Blitzwalker

    Blitzwalker Well-Known Member

    Absolutely, by all means miss me as well but Gary is the real deal. An Arsenal supporter but we’ll forgive him that for coming to Champion Hill!
     
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  8. Blitzwalker

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  9. Blitzwalker

    Blitzwalker Well-Known Member

    Just bumping this thread in case anybody has missed it previously.

    Free event at the clubhouse on Wednesday 27th March at 7pm with our own speakers Jack McInroy, Roger Deason and me plus guest speakers Tim Godden and Professor Gary Sheffield. We’ll be looking at the club’s own wartime histories as well as the connections between the British Army, football clubs and the First World War and also what inspired Tim Godden to start his ‘Footballers of The Great War’ series of drawings. This is a project initiated by the University of Wolverhampton and is the first seminar talk to take place on the road.

    Supporters of all clubs are welcome. The bar will be open and there should be food available too.
     
  10. EDC

    EDC A Slightly Less Invisible Cyber Fan These Days

  11. DonkeyAssessor

    DonkeyAssessor Well-Known Member

    The original Chelsea Headhunters !
     
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  12. scousedom

    scousedom Well-Known Member

    Forgive the ignorance, this is a genuine question but, when is that poster from?
     
  13. EDC

    EDC A Slightly Less Invisible Cyber Fan These Days

    WW1
     
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    EDC A Slightly Less Invisible Cyber Fan These Days

  15. Blitzwalker

    Blitzwalker Well-Known Member

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    Many football clubs produced similar posters in WW1, a sign of the early patriotic fervour. Here’s Millwall’s courtesy of the IWM collection. Professor Gary Sheffield will no doubt be covering this in his talk.
     
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  16. Blitzwalker

    Blitzwalker Well-Known Member

    And a good play on words in the poster as the Middlesex Regiment, of which the Chelsea club and supporters formed the 17th Bn., were known as the “Die Hards”.
     
  17. scousedom

    scousedom Well-Known Member

    Thanks. That’s the answer I was hoping for - “hoping” feels like a hugely inappropriate choice of word, but hopefully you know what I mean.
     
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  18. Blitzwalker

    Blitzwalker Well-Known Member

    I do know what you mean!
     
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  19. PartisanDulwich

    PartisanDulwich Well-Known Member

    Pink & Blue Brigade

    pinkbluebrigade ww1 dulwich hamlet peace july 1919.jpg
     
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  20. Roger D

    Roger D Well-Known Member

    Dulwich are known to have produced a leaflet that was handed out to fans at a home match v Crystal Palace. It informed spectators that Hamlet old boy Billy Millward, who was guesting in pink and blue, would assist fans with enlisting into 'Lowther's Lambs', a battalion of the Royal Sussex Regiment. His presence was part of a RSR recruitment drive in the London area. Billy's father was leading recruitment into the battalion in Eastbourne, he was a social acquaintance of Claude Lowther through cricket. Lowther was a member of the nobility and effectively founded the battalion - which expanded into three battalions.

    The original Lambs battalion were decimated in a diversionary action the day before the start of the Battle of the Somme. June 30th was a major day of remembrance in Sussex for many years post war. The local Eastbourne newspapers in the aftermath of the action make for pitiful reading. A hand written muster roll of the survivors can be found at the National Archives, it's horribly short.

    Billy survived the war, though he lost a leg. He enjoyed one of the most dramatic rises in the history of the British army, from Private in September 1914 to acting Brigadier General in March 1918. He was believed to be just the second man in the war to do so. The rise probably saved him as more than once when the battalion suffered huge losses he got through as he had been sent back to HQ to help oversee events. Billy features, anonymously, in a poem by famous war poet Edmund Blunden who was a fellow member of the Lambs. The two men bonded over a shared love of cricket.

    I wrote a long article on Billy for Hamlet Historian many years ago, not sure whether it appears online anywhere though. Known to Dulwich as Billy, he had adopted his middle name by the time he served and is better known to history as Colsey Millward. His DSO is in a museum in Eastbourne. I believe the ribbon is supposed to be dark blue and red but his had a definite pink tinge last time I saw it.
     
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  21. PartisanDulwich

    PartisanDulwich Well-Known Member

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    William"Billy" Colsey Millward
    St Nicholas Church, Pevensey, East Sussex
    millward2 dullwich ww1.jpg
     
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  22. Roger D

    Roger D Well-Known Member

    You may have noticed his grave lists him as a Lieutenant Colonel not a Brigadier General. He was acting up as Brigadier General when wounded and was a few days short of the time needed to be served to qualify for the rank in pension terms. When the army released him he was granted the honorary title of Lieutenant General and the pension for that rank. There are letters from him in the National Archive arguing, unsuccessfully, that he was a Brigadier General and could they please pay him a Brigadier Generals pension.

    Colsey was a mainstay of Pevensey cricket team for years post war, despite only having one leg. Pevensey regularly hosted Leyton Wanderers Cricket Club on tours. Both Billy and DHFC WW1 fatality Ernie Vasey had played for Leyton Wanderers in the early 20th century. It seems likely the two intentionally joined Dulwich together having become friendly through cricket.
     
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  23. Blitzwalker

    Blitzwalker Well-Known Member

    Strange that he should be arguing for a Brigadier General's pension if he'd already been granted the pension for an honorary promotion two ranks higher to Lieutenant General! Or do you mean Lieutenant Colonel?
     
  24. Roger D

    Roger D Well-Known Member

    Yup sorry typo whilst busy at work. he had a Lieutenant Colonel's pension.
     
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  25. Blitzwalker

    Blitzwalker Well-Known Member

    Understood. Yes, unfortunately the Army wouldn't budge on something like that, even if he was a day short of the required service. Anything to save a few quid.
     
  26. Jimbob73

    Jimbob73 The Wanley Road Massive

    I know its free, but do we need tickets in advance for numbers etc?
     
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  27. Blitzwalker

    Blitzwalker Well-Known Member

    No tickets, just rock up on the night - the more the merrier.
     
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  28. Blitzwalker

    Blitzwalker Well-Known Member

    I've just been informed of a bonus event on the night. Tony Robinson, of the London Irish Rifles Museum at Camberwell, will be coming along to the event and he has promised to bring with him the original Loos Football that forms part of the museum's collection. For those that are unsure what I'm on about, this is the original football that was kicked out from the British trenches and towards the German front line by soldiers of the Division during the early phases of the Battle of Loos in 1915. If time permits, Tony will also say a few words about the Division's role in the battle and how the football came to survive down the years.
     
  29. Dulwich Mishi

    Dulwich Mishi Old Skool Terrace Dinosaur-embracing the new-veau!

    If times permits.... time WILL permit surely?
     
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  30. Blitzwalker

    Blitzwalker Well-Known Member

    Of course it will - it wouldn't be possible for Tony not to tell the story - just try stopping him!

    This is a real honour for this to be displayed at Champion Hill. Hopefully there will be some photo opportunities.
     
    Last edited: Mar 20, 2019

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