Football referees: time for rugby style respect?

[Red Faction]

Plus IIRC Spreadbury once sent off every single player on the pitch because of persistant fighting. After repeated warnings he marked them all in the book, went and got changed and went home to watch telly

spreaders is my favourite referee
he explains every decision he makes so no-one can have any complaints

he's also a trained paramedic
saved matt hampson's life

http://www.matthampson.co.uk/home.php

 

[King Biscuit Time]

It's a chicken and egg situation really.

As a mate put it, Rugby refs are like friendly PE teachers, they want to help the players to play a decent game of rugby. This isn't really the case with footie refs, but I would wager that thats more because there's no point in them doing it when they're being treated like shite.

The word with the player with the captain present is just something you couldn't really do in football at the moment because the discipline is so bad.

 

[Bazza]

As much as I hate the way refs are treated, I must admit that Paulo Di Canio's shove on Alcock was mildly-amusing.

 

[revol68]

Does no one think the fact that in rugby you have a massive legitimate outlet for your aggression and frustration play a massive role. I mean footballers can't take the heads of each other so they mouth at the ref instead.

 

[rekil]

not heard of Munster then?

no?

well fuck off then

Rugby in Dublin is exclusively for the posh. All the top players come from fee-paying schools and only this handful of schools ever wins any of the competitions. I'm pretty sure it's the same case in Munster and the rest of the country. Normal people play GAA and football.

 

[revol68]

As much as I hate the way refs are treated, I must admit that Paulo Di Canio's shove on Alcock was mildly-amusing.

that and trains running on time (actually a myth) are about the only decent things the fash have done.

 

[nino_savatte]

Rugby in Dublin is exclusively for the posh. All the top players come from fee-paying schools and only this handful of schools ever wins any of the competitions. I'm pretty sure it's the same case in Munster and the rest of the country. Normal people play GAA and football.

Ah, the GAA, which seems to be the sole preserve of Fianna Fail.

 

[King Biscuit Time]

Does no one think the fact that in rugby you have a massive legitimate outlet for your aggression and frustration play a massive role. I mean footballers can't take the heads of each other so they mouth at the ref instead.

Absolute fucking bollocks.
There's respect shown for the ref in nearly every sport, from Boxing to hockey to fucking tiddlywinks.

 

[Belushi]

As a mate put it, Rugby refs are like friendly PE teachers, they want to help the players to play a decent game of rugby. This isn't really the case with footie refs, but I would wager that thats more because there's no point in them doing it when they're being treated like shite.

The role fo a Rugby ref is quite different to a Soccer ref really - for a start he's usually the only one who understands all the rules!

 

[revol68]

Rugby in Dublin is exclusively for the posh. All the top players come from fee-paying schools and only this handful of schools ever wins any of the competitions. I'm pretty sure it's the same case in Munster and the rest of the country. Normal people play GAA and football.

exactly and in the north it's only posh prods who play it, the kind of posh prods I shared a school with for 7 years (i've never got over that, y'know!) and who like to think they are a different class of sectarian cunt.

The whole time i was at the school Rangers won the league and only when I leave did Celtic end their run on 10 in a row, the injustice of it all!

 

[revol68]

Absolute fucking bollocks.
There's respect shown for the ref in nearly every sport, from Boxing to hockey to fucking tiddlywinks.

yes but no one really gives two flying fucks about those no mark games, even the players could care less.

 

[Balbi]

Does no one think the fact that in rugby you have a massive legitimate outlet for your aggression and frustration play a massive role. I mean footballers can't take the heads of each other so they mouth at the ref instead.

That's only if you see Rugby players as a bunch of rage fuelled lumpahs twatting each other for the hell of it. At the professional level it's a bloody intricate sport.

If you let your aggression and frustration get the better of you, you'll lose - same as in any sport.

 

[King Biscuit Time]

yes but no one really gives two flying fucks about those no mark games, even the players could care less.

Hmm, I'll take childish nonsense as an admission that your point is entirely invalid then.

 

[revol68]

Hmm, I'll take childish nonsense as an admission that your point is entirely invalid then.

well yes and no, the point is that football is a far higher pressure game, it's also physical and yet at the same time players have to be very contolled in their challenging. I mean look at the reactions of tennis players to decisions (before video technology) and that is a game without contact.

I for one would hate to see the game become as boring as Rugby, i enjoy the soap opera moments.

 

[Balbi]

I take it you don't watch much top level rugby then revol?

 

[King Biscuit Time]

i enjoy the soap opera moments.

Then watch 'Dream Team' instead.

 

[Red Faction]

I'm pretty sure it's the same case in Munster and the rest of the country. Normal people play GAA and football.

oh well if you're pretty sure that its the same case in Munster i guess thats that argument over then

have you been to Limerick recently?
are you aware that Munster are the european rugby champions?
are you aware that the Limerick almost lost its status as a city because its population migrated to Cardiff for the Heineken cup final the week of the census?

you're telling me its only the rich and the protestants who play rugby in Munster?

 

[Mr Retro]

I'm pretty sure it's the same case in Munster and the rest of the country. Normal people play GAA and football.

You're pretty wrong. Maybe you should do your research before talking about somethiong you obviously know fuck all about?

On topic - of course there should be more respect for the ref in football.

 

[rekil]

oh well if you're pretty sure that its the same case in Munster i guess thats that argument over then

have you been to Limerick recently?
are you aware that Munster are the european rugby champions?
are you aware that the Limerick almost lost its status as a city because its population migrated to Cardiff for the Heineken cup final the week of the census?

you're telling me its only the rich and the protestants who play rugby in Munster?

The Munster Schools Junior Cup or Munster Junior Cup is the under-age rugby union competition for schools affiliated to the Munster Branch of the IRFU with team members under 15 years of age.

The competition is dominated by the so-called Big 5, composed of Cork schools C.B.C. & P.B.C., Limerick schools St. Munchin's & Crescent College, and County Tipperary school Rockwell College.

Are you telling me that most people in Munster have access to those schools?

 

[rekil]

You're pretty wrong. Maybe you should do your research before talking about somethiong you obviously know fuck all about?

On topic - of course there should be more respect for the ref in football.

Enlighten me.

 

[rekil]

I don't mind rugby, I quite enjoy seeing our ghastly elite getting thumped by the ABs or whoever.

 

[tarannau]

Are you telling me that most people in Munster have access to those schools?

Aye, but you don't have to play in those schools to play rugby in Munster. Those schools tend to dominate one cup competition, partly because of the huge amount of investment and importance those schools place on their sporting teams.

There are plenty of teams nearby that aren't nearly so highly connected.

 

[Chairman Meow]

As a Munster fan myself, and obviously an Ireland fan, I can quite categorically state that I saw very few posh rugger buggers types in the pub in Cork on Saturday - its a sport followed by everyone. I used to work in Twickenham years ago - now thems rugger buggers! They always gave up their seats on the train for any women who got on, which was totally unneccessary, but much preferable to being stuck with a crowd of Millwall hooligans. Oh, and as for the above schools being posh, my bloke is as WC as you get and he went to Rockwell - got a scholarship for his running, you see. I believe he may have played some rugby while he was there too.

 

[mack]

I think they should make a rule that when the ref makes a ruling that no player should be able to stand within 10 yards of him (instant yellow card for encroaching) and only the captain can question his reasoning.

 

[rekil]

Aye, but you don't have to play in those schools to play rugby in Munster. Those schools tend to dominate one cup competition, partly because of the huge amount of investment and importance those schools place on their sporting teams.

There are plenty of teams nearby that aren't nearly so highly connected.

How many players in the Irish squad aren't from a fee-paying school. Having cash isn't even a guarantee of getting a place in these schools, since they give priority to relations of past pupils and staff. It's old boy network bollocks that fosters cronyism, corruption, inequity and mediocrity and that's what's so repulsive to me about the whole racket. Fr.Peter McVerry, himself a jesuit, was right, the lot of them should be shut down.

 

[rekil]

As a Munster fan myself, and obviously an Ireland fan, I can quite categorically state that I saw very few posh rugger buggers types in the pub in Cork on Saturday - its a sport followed by everyone.

Irish people in nationalist desire to beat England shocker.

 

[Red Faction]

Irish people in nationalist desire to beat England shocker.

really?
i was under the impression a minute ago that normal folk only bothered with the GAA

 

[Mr Retro]

Enlighten me.

Why should I do your research for you?

I'm just sitting back laughing at you making a clown of yourself.

 

[Chairman Meow]

Irish people in nationalist desire to beat England shocker.

Err what? I'm from NI myself, and went to a proddy rugby playing grammar school too. Rugby doesn't seem half as elitist here in Munster as it was in Ulster, or for that matter, Twickenham [and I've lived / worked in all three places - have you?].

Oh, and what on earth makes you think I'm an Irish Nationalist?!

 

[rekil]

Why should I do your research for you?

Because you're bullshitting?