Discussion in 'football' started by tommers, Nov 2, 2018.
Yes, yes, it's what I've been saying all along. Penny drops for Sleater.
Beeb reporting it now
Football Leaks claims Euro Super League talks held by clubs
So which of the 'Big Six' British clubs are implicated?
Assuming City, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool.
Jesus Christ Badgers. Read the first post.
All of them apart from Spurs.
Don't take the lords name in vain Bobby Moore would be turning in his grave.
They have been top 3 last two years
You might want to have that reply c+p'd handy for the next few days/weeks...
Yeah, but the other kids still don't want them in their gang.
And they're such a big club and everything.
They're better off out of it anyway.
Can't wait for Arsenal fans trying to convince everybody that Marseille have always been the big rivalry.
"Stand up if you hate AC Milan."
Jürgen Klopp joked that a European Super League would mean fewer games and more money for the top clubs, as he reacted to the dramatic proposal after Liverpool’s 1-1 draw at Arsenal.
The German magazine Der Spiegel reported on Friday that five English clubs were among 11 so-called “founding members” for the new elite competition, which would start in 2021. The story, which arose from the latest Football Leaks revelations, claimed that Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea and the Manchester clubs had been in negotiations about the new format, which would replace the Champions League.
Klopp denied any inside knowledge of the proposal and his tone was light-hearted when he was asked about it. “It sounds really nice because it sounds like much less games and much more money,” Klopp said. “I am completely fine with how the league football is at the moment. At least, it’s an idea that we don’t do immediately.
“I’m not even sure if somebody spoke about it, to be honest. It looks like all the other wonderful ideas of Fifa and Uefa – they do them immediately, they don’t ask. And then you see: ‘Oh, OK, we have 20 games more and not more money.’”
Jürgen Klopp laughs off super league plans and rues disallowed goal
Manchester City Exposed: Chapter 1: Bending the Rules to the Tune of Millions - SPIEGEL ONLINE - International
Another story, basically confirming the whole "pay massive sponsorship deals to get round FFP" thing that everybody has always known about but with added dates and details.
Sounds juicy. We were owned by an Icelandic bank that went bust in the financial crisis - wonder if we'll be in it.
More city stuff:
Manchester City And The Fight Against Financial Fairplay - SPIEGEL ONLINE
Some of the detail is kind of interesting but there's not really anything surprising there is there. It's pretty obvious that clubs like Man City have played all sorts of financial games to get round it. Setting up a rule like that just invites that really, if anyone at UEFA ever thought they could actually maintain a system like that that's incredibly naive.
I can't get that worked up about it personally though. 'I'm going to ignore the finances and just watch the football' and 'fuck it the whole thing is a cesspit, I'm done with it' are both coherent views I can understand. Trying to come up with an OK/not OK line with the traditional big clubs on the OK side is nonsense though.
They're all as bad as each other.
And all the other clubs would be as well if they were in their position.
The only way to fix it is by a strong central organisation imposing rules that promote fair play and equal competition.
Everybody is fucked, in other words.
Too many vested interests and too much money at stake.
Key people in any such organisation would be bought off by the cartel clubs and the money interests behind them, as has been done so blatantly before.
Football fans, generally speaking, purport to be outraged at any whiff of a scandal, but in reality they lap it all up just as presented to them. Bread and circuses.
Maybe this is the opportunity for City to go hard, legally speaking, and bring the whole corrupt edifice down...
Seriously, though, it would be interesting to know who is really pulling the strings here. As Gabriele Marcotti points out, nobody knows who this 'John' character behind the Football Leaks emails really is, nor the extent of his links to 'cyber criminals.' However, the really interesting thing is the politics, which probably go much wider than football.
As for the football politics, as a small minority of journalists (well, just one really) are pointing out, the cartel clubs didn't want to be challenged, so first they banded together to demand the anti-competitive, laughably-named FFP. Few clubs are capable of matching City on the pitch, so now, whoever is behind the supposed leaks, they see their chance to get what they wanted in the first place and use faux outrage to impede a rival which has done exactly as they feared and bettered them-no matter how much they spend themselves-within a relatively short space of time. Of course, at the bottom of all this is the money factor. The CL was meant to be a de-facto closed shop, with the same cartel clubs always reaching the final stages thus maintaining a monopoly on the money, in a self-serving, self-perpetuating circus. New arrivals to the party have reduced the multibillion cashflow they assumed permanent.
And note the media collusion: City's guilt is already assumed, solely on the basis of articles based on emails that nobody in the UK media (and the shrill, frothing manboys on social media), has seen.
Always worth a repost: Bullshit Rodeo
Football is better the further away from money it is.
Is it common knowledge that Man United loaned Tevez from a third party?
I can't remember.
Carlos Tévez in Manchester: A Dubious Transfer Deal Gone Sour - SPIEGEL ONLINE - International
Of course we got a load of shit for doing exactly the same thing but you know, one rule for some etc.
Separate names with a comma.