Football Lads Against Fascism

Discussion in 'protest, direct action and demos' started by Red About Town, Jul 24, 2018.

  1. FridgeMagnet

    FridgeMagnet Administrator

    FLAF were definitely involved in a pre-arrival scuffle on Whitehall outside the Moon Under Water - or at least some people were, who got surrounded by cops and shuffled off down Northumberland Avenue, and then brought out a FLAF banner.

    It's a massive cliché about DFLA and Wetherspoons but the MUW does seem to be the Designated Fash Pub in the area whenever there's a march.
     
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  2. paolo

    paolo Well-Known Member

    I did’t notice swappies where I was. Admittedly my eyesight is turning to shit, but those placards used to be unmissable.
     
  3. Red Sky

    Red Sky It was like that when I got here.

    But the last one , under the "Free Tommy" banner saw a few thousand of them out.
     
  4. The39thStep

    The39thStep Well-Known Member

    Yup he's the galvanising element.No Tommy no show. Perfect shit storm for the DFLA numbers down,, they've been on the back foot with people exposing fascists on their demos and social media pages , with Hickins daft Blood and Honour badge posting , a good period of 'discussion and debate' with them on social media , with FLAF leafletting football grounds before the demo etc. On the day itself a lot of broken promises about people turning up,FLAF calling them out in some of the pubs , generator malfunctioned so that had to have the speeches in another location and they faced a good turnout from anti fascists who split their march.
    What we need to build on is a progressive working class narrative and some activity on the ground to what they claim to stand for/be opposed to .The FLAF statement about supporting genuine organisations that help rape and sexual assault victims, links with Soldiers for Peace and other progressive vet groups, organisations that represent all victims of terrorism etc is very welcoming. Well done to all and to think that one of the founding FLAC members used to post on here regularly.
     
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  5. FridgeMagnet

    FridgeMagnet Administrator

    Nothing compared to the original FLA numbers though, and now there's no Tommy element (which was more significant than I thought it would be) it's going to go downhill even more.

    (Obviously even a thousand is a thousand too many.)
     
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  6. Magnus McGinty

    Magnus McGinty IdProle

    They were at the front. I watched everyone march past then joined a mate after I’d spotted him.
     
  7. paolo

    paolo Well-Known Member

    Ah ok. :-/
     
  8. Red Sky

    Red Sky It was like that when I got here.

    FLAF seem to have thrown their lot in with the AFN, which is good.
     
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  9. The39thStep

    The39thStep Well-Known Member

    My mate said the AFN ( and others) stood their ground when the DFLA had a little surge. Anyone who supports the objectives of FLAF is welcome, what we also need is to recruit from new sources.
     
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  10. Red Sky

    Red Sky It was like that when I got here.

    Was he surprised by that? AFN have been standing their ground for years. Nice to have the support.
     
  11. Magnus McGinty

    Magnus McGinty IdProle

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    :-/
     
  12. FridgeMagnet

    FridgeMagnet Administrator

    The STUR lot were on the static demo just north of Parliament Square. The front of the "unity demo" was all antifascist feminists.
     
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  13. Magnus McGinty

    Magnus McGinty IdProle

    Yes, I realised that the unity demo wasn’t going to be a unity demo in hindsight. Wasn’t there a joining of numbers last time? That’s partly why I made incorrect assumptions.
     
  14. FridgeMagnet

    FridgeMagnet Administrator

    I think just pretty much everybody was at the Parliament Square one last time.
     
  15. Magnus McGinty

    Magnus McGinty IdProle

    Exactly. I’m not knocking the other action/s btw. Just that I assumed there wouldn’t be two separate ones from the propaganda put out prior to it.
     
  16. M Testa

    M Testa Well-Known Member

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  17. Fallon

    Fallon Active Member

    I look forward to a summary of yesterday's events from the FLAF. An intersting first day out.
     
  18. Sean

    Sean WTF? KMBCT

    Would have gone along if I'd had anyone to go with. Reluctant to wander along as an individual unless I know I'm meeting people there and I've not been on here much or active in a group for a long time now. If anyone who knows me from the old AFA days can message me, I'll get along next time.
     
  19. The39thStep

    The39thStep Well-Known Member

    FLAF have a Facebook group and Twitter stream you can directly message them. A few old faces and lots of new ones
     
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  20. Fallon

    Fallon Active Member

  21. The39thStep

    The39thStep Well-Known Member

    Beat me to it
     
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  22. jimmer

    jimmer libcom.org

    It's amazing that a professional sociologist can't recognise that cultural markers of class are fluid and change over time, the idea the Unity demo looked "totally unconnected and unrelated to the British working class" is mad, I guess McKenzie doesn't pay much attention to the working class in London. Also, the idea FLAF looked like the DFLA is kind of insulting, on average FLAF's turnout was about 20-30 years younger than the DFLA's and considerably better dressed.

    (edit: amended as per post below)
     
    Last edited: Oct 15, 2018
  23. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model every man and every woman is a star

    she's a sociologist, if it makes any difference
     
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  24. Smokeandsteam

    Smokeandsteam Exiting the Vampire Castle

    Yes, it would be if that was her argument. But it isn’t. Lisa McKenzie’s point is about cultural ‘capital’ not signifiers. These are entirely separate things.
     
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  25. jimmer

    jimmer libcom.org

    If it was about cultural capital then why does she talk about how they look?
     
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  26. Smokeandsteam

    Smokeandsteam Exiting the Vampire Castle

    I don’t know.

    My guess is because she’s angry and pissed off about possessors of social and cultural capital and the disproportionate influence they wield on the left and what that means for pro working class politics?
     
  27. jimmer

    jimmer libcom.org

    So you're just speculating about what she means to object to my criticism of something she's actually written? It's a totally fair point to say there are people with social and cultural capital who wield a disproportionate influence on the left, I'd probably include academics in that group myself. I didn't read her piece as making that point though (admittedly I read it quite late last night). I thought she was just having a pop at the AFN demo based on a weak understanding of class.
     
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  28. Smokeandsteam

    Smokeandsteam Exiting the Vampire Castle

    No, I am speculating about why she briefly mentioned what the Unity demo looked like which is the question you asked. I’m very clear as to the central point she is making.
     
  29. jimmer

    jimmer libcom.org

    Fair enough, I still think she's wrong to describe a genuinely diverse crowd as "looking totally unconnected and unrelated to the British working class". The British working class, particularly in London is very diverse, it's not just white men.
     
  30. Smokeandsteam

    Smokeandsteam Exiting the Vampire Castle

    I’d add that academics are definitely part of that group. And I am sure you know the campaign of vilification they have subjected LM to upto and including trying to get her sacked
     

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