Football Lads Against Fascism

Discussion in 'protest, direct action and demos' started by Red About Town, Jul 24, 2018.

  1. Yes, I know that, I was countering the odd stance that it isn’t common vernacular/ or outside of Scotland.
     
  2. manji

    manji Well-Known Member

    We weren’t even going to uses lasses. Then it developed into lasses or lassies. But a lot of females are involved so we agreed to it. :)
    I knew a few smart arses would latch on to it. Heard it all before.
     
  3. manji

    manji Well-Known Member

    Lassies is Scotland.
     
  4. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t. ;)
     
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  5. I was merely pointing out that it’s common vernacular in the NE England to those I quoted; it wasn’t a criticism aimed at FLAF so I’ve no idea what we’re disagreeing about.
     
  6. manji

    manji Well-Known Member

    Point taken.
     
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  7. SpackleFrog

    SpackleFrog Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts

    I'm not, I'm saying they are the only people using them where I am, and that I'd like to get involved but not with them.

    I'm not unsympathetic to what you're saying and I appreciate it's only been going a few weeks. I'm just asking for ways to get involved/do something with it beyond stickering places.
     
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  8. SpackleFrog

    SpackleFrog Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts

    Fighting racism on the terraces everywhere is relevant to all of us everywhere
     
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  9. ddraig

    ddraig dros ben llestri

    yes of course
    does not invalidate what I said
     
  10. manji

    manji Well-Known Member

    At the moment we are at the stickering networking stage. It’s grown faster and bigger than we expected. I have gone from myself and another person in my club, to now we have large groups in 7 clubs in my area. We exchange information, we are having an informal meet this weekend.
     
  11. SpackleFrog

    SpackleFrog Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts

    That's excellent, well done.
     
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  12. manji

    manji Well-Known Member

    Thanks but it’s happening all over the country.
     
  13. SpackleFrog

    SpackleFrog Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts

    Again, that's excellent, be great to hear about anything happening in South Yorkshire!
     
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  14. The39thStep

    The39thStep Well-Known Member

    Theres beginning to be a bit of news on Twitter
     
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  15. manji

    manji Well-Known Member

    They demos aren’t going to happen straight away . It’s about networking and forming groups. Just message anyone who lives near you or supports the same team.
    Three of us ( we didn’t know each other) just went for a coffee the other day. Coordinated stickering , exchanged info on known FLA members etc. Might not sound much but we have quite a formidable grouping in my area now and we aren’t placard carriers.
     
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  16. SpackleFrog

    SpackleFrog Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts

    No that sounds great and how you've gotta do it innit. It might be slightly tougher for me - I'm an exile. I know of people who are interested/following the FLAF stuff at my hometown club, and I know a few people who go to Wednesday matches and go along with them now and again, but I'm not in a position to take any kind of lead among Wednesday fans. But talking about it with football fans I know and thinking about what I can do.
     
  17. SpackleFrog

    SpackleFrog Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts

    I know a few Blades as well to be fair but fuck the piggies innit, only been there as an away fan :)
     
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  18. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    Coffee?
     
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  19. ddraig

    ddraig dros ben llestri

    .
     
    Last edited: Sep 15, 2018
  20. gawkrodger

    gawkrodger Well-Known Member

  21. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    Apparently someone/some people are posting on the FLAF page/group as me and trying to cause mischief. It isn't me.

    (Longer term posters can probably guess whose behind this nonsense after near 15 years of this bullshit. Odd how this started almost as soon as i mentioned flimsier (who we know still reads here) as now running a free school).
     
  22. sealion

    sealion Well-Known Member

    That's portsmouths mob who had a rep for being racist bitd!
     
  23. The39thStep

    The39thStep Well-Known Member

    We've had a bit of a Twitter/social media 'conversation' with the DFLA, mainly outing known fash and Orange order in their ranks. They posted this (below) on their facebook page which is interesting if rambling and at times 'imaginative'
     
  24. The39thStep

    The39thStep Well-Known Member

    Part 2
     
  25. Saint Tommy doesn’t appear to have featured in their denunciations.
     
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  26. TopCat

    TopCat Gone away, no forwarding address

    ...
     
  27. Patteran

    Patteran A nowadays excuse

    Referring to the opposition as 'our mossad' while presenting anti-nazi credentials is a bit of an own goal. It's interesting that they're taking note of the criticisms, attempting to answer them. It's an example of the changing, adaptive (contingent? I never know if i'm using that word correctly) aspect of socialised politics, isn't it? The Front's crude 70s approach is no longer useful, Nazis were always a hard sell in England, so reactionary elements articulate themselves in newer ways that stay closer to perceived common sense. Lee Rigby's deranged murderer is despised for his actions primarily, & secondly for his perceived-motivating Muslimness - his blackness doesn't feature, at least not explicitly. The word 'race' gets swapped in favour of 'culture', but the appeal to & of homogeneity remains. So the new DFLA can be anti-racist - just like English football, & just as inclusive as the British Army. Still doesn't explain why they've declared Celtic 'extremists' & are trying to batter RMT members. Acting as a disciplinary force on labour is text-book fascist behaviour. Which fits, because a fella apparently close to their leadership certainly thinks of himself as a text-book mussolini-type fascist who maintains Italian fascism wasn't particularly racist.

    Perhaps this is will become part of the new politics. 80s/90s we had large solidarity demonstrations with respectable heads & militant tails. The trades unionists & MPs at the front with the banners & the cameras could disassociate themselves to a large extent from the direct action taking place in the sidestreets, before & afterwards. Now we're witnessing large negative-solidarity demonstrations, UKIP & DFLA leadership at the front, & a deniable far-right element always present on the margins. It does make it to hard to counter in general terms, in soundbite or slogan terms. Fair play to FLAF for drawing them out, forcing them to articulate political positions that can be criticised properly - that is, not just condemned or sneered at, but investigated in terms of 'what conditions make these positions seem reasonable?'
     
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  28. Fallon

    Fallon Active Member

    Going to go to this march in October. The FLAF is the most intersting development in anti fascism in Britain in many years.
     
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  29. flyingcolumn

    flyingcolumn Active Member

    The founder of the FLAF was praising the actual FLA on his Red Action FB page when they first formed and the months that followed.
     
  30. Fallon

    Fallon Active Member

    I followed those threads on the Facebook page and the above is incorrect.
     

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