Fleetwood Mac's Rumours - Crap/Not Crap?

[Major Tom]

But Abba were good.. at what they did.

I admit they were good at making pointless bland sugary tunes that sold millions and yet everyone over 12 seemed to hate at the time.

Andrew Lloyd Webber is good at what he does, so's Barry Manilow.

What's your point?

 

[hammerntongues]

I think Rumours was released just about at the peak of their acceptability, I think its a well crafted album made by a band who were just peaking ,albeit they were also just falling apart.So many of these crap not crap threads are really difficult to comment 30 years on , in hindsight I can find lots of reasons to vote crap but at the time I would have voted Not crap , even though 1977 was a year that turned music on its head .The footage of Rhiannon used on OGWT is a classic.
Not Crap but I wouldn`t expect anyone under the age of 40 to vote this way.

 

[Hollis]

I admit they were good at making pointless bland sugary tunes that sold millions and yet everyone over 12 seemed to hate at the time.

Andrew Lloyd Webber is good at what he does, so's Barry Manilow.

What's your point?

I think there's stuff you don't necessarily particularly like yourself, but you can see why its good/appreciated by others or is abit original or has got something about it. Then there's other stuff which really is just bland/formulaic/derivative - and is crap.

 

[lyra_k]

I've got a soft spot for Gold Dust Woman, but I'm afraid that I'll be accused of liking "music for people who don't like music", or some similar elitist claptrap.

 

[Wolfie]

music for people who don't like olives © ....

 

[Major Tom]

Then there's other stuff which really is just bland/formulaic/derivative - and is crap.

Like latter day Fleetwood Mac and Abba

 

[Tank Girl]

I'm under 40 and i voted not crap... reminds me of being a kid and all that

I don't, however like olives, so maybe Wolfie's theory is right.

 

[Major Tom]

but I'm afraid that I'll be accused of liking "music for people who don't like music", or some similar elitist claptrap.

Don;t be afraid

 

[lyra_k]

music for people who don't like olives © ....

*munches yummy olives, sings "Did she make you cry, make you break down, shatter your illusions of love....."*

 

[kyser_soze]

Fucking shit, actually.

Are the people trying to re-evaluate this tosh the same ones that are insisting that Abba and Supertramp were "actually rather good, don't you know".

Abba wrote technically good tunes from a composition perspective, i.e. construction and the 'craft' side of songwriting as opposed to the subjective 'Do I find their music so annoying I want to kill small creatures' or not POV that you're expressing.

And before anyone has me up on this...Daniel Bahrenboim agress with me so It's not like I'm in dubious company.

Oh yeah, FM...I like Rumours, Fleetwood Mac AND Tango in the Night...easy listening, and TITN is a GREAT car singalong album.

 

[Major Tom]

Abba wrote technically good tunes from a composition perspective, i.e. construction and the 'craft' side of songwriting as opposed to the subjective 'Do I find their music so annoying I want to kill small creatures' or not POV that you're expressing.

I'm sure that's true - but its still shit pop music by people that should have been writing musicals.

Technically good music does not necessarily make good pop music as I'm sure you're aware, and just cause some classical musician thinks its technically good mean fuck all to me.

 

[kyser_soze]

TBH I agree on the case of Abba - the only time I find them bearable is after imbibing alcoholic beverages in quantity and am in the presence of work collegues etc.

My point was that you seemed to be saying that muscially they were shite, which from technical perspective isn't true.

 

[Major Tom]

TBH I agree on the case of Abba - the only time I find them bearable is after imbibing alcoholic beverages in quantity and am in the presence of work collegues etc.

My point was that you seemed to be saying that muscially they were shite, which from technical perspective isn't true.

i never talk in technical terms, not being a musician.

the bands i like most probably are technically shite though

 

[Hollis]

TBH I agree on the case of Abba - the only time I find them bearable is after imbibing alcoholic beverages in quantity and am in the presence of work collegues etc.

My point was that you seemed to be saying that muscially they were shite, which from technical perspective isn't true.

Technically good music = Rik Wakeman

Where's polui?

 

[Bomber]

'Rumours' is a very listenable album IMO

 

[moose]

Has the 'Annie Lennox" effect on me - makes me want to drive my car into a brick wall, reverse and repeat, till I'm no longer capable of rational thought.

 

[i_hate_beckham]

I love it, but have been teased for playing it.
Don't really know there other stuff but this album is sublime.

I haven't read the rest of the thread cos it is so fantastic!

 

[Dr. Furface]

Half of it's great - Dreams, Go Your Own Way, Gold Dust Woman, The Chain - and the rest is mediocre. So on the whole, Not Crap (Dreams is good enough on its own to make it so).

 

[percival scrote]

I like it ..and I dont give a shit who knows .... partly it reminds me of my youth , when .........

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

I don't know how it is received now, but when it was released, it was a great album.

I voted not crap, but I didn't see the 'genius' category. At the time, it was an inspired record. And you find a house that didn't have a copy.

 

[percival scrote]

..though Kiln House ...is probably a far better album , when all said and done .

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

..though Kiln House ...is probably a far better album , when all said and done .

Bare Trees is good also. I liked the early stuff, but Rumours is like the culmination of the group.

 

[Derian]

'Twas great, still is. So too is Lindsey Buckingham solo stuff.

 

[blossie33]

Thought there were some good songs on it at the time - wouldn't want to listen to it now though.

 

[butterfly child]

Can't abide it, mainly because it brings back memories of my childhood and my Dad forcing me to listen to his record collection.

I'm like that with a lot of 50's/60's stuff, for the very same reasons.

Anything my dad liked = good.
Anything I liked = bad.

The only time he didn't say "what's this rubbish" is when I was listening to Lush!

 

[butterfly child]

I love it, and it was the first music little tanky heard once she was born.

My mum told me that the first music I ever heard, was the Salvation Army band, who played outside the ward on Christmas Day.

She can remember that, but always forgets which day is my birthday. Go figure.

 

[ivebeenhigh]

Well do you?

Maybe you used to but you don't any more.

Maybe its only your parents that have a copy.

Maybe you have never heard the album?

 

[Maggot]

Were you listening to the Danny Baker show today?

 

[GoneCoastal]

Yes (on vinyl) somewhere. Why ?

 

[upsidedownwalrus]

It's one of those things which has always passed me by. really ought to have heard it though. I love the Stevie Nicks song Rooms On Fire.