Five questions non-Muslims would like answered (article)

[Johnny Canuck3]

Friend of Coulter isn't he?

Insightful commentary on the article; you're to be commended.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

because there is no voice for moderate musilms with in main stream western media....


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Where is the voice for moderate muslims?

 

[butchersapron]

What do you mean? I'd quickly google something about hindus, Gahndi and the empire - you ain't got a clue have you

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

hmmm let's see a predominately muslim population oppressed beyond the relems of normal human tollerence it's a fucking miricule that there aren't a million sucide bombers each and every day, and is a testament to the tollerence with the muslim population, not an arsenal against it. More over their faith is much like the american faith for a large part of the population, do people call timothy mcvee a christian bomber? ted bundy? charles manson? this question is deviod of any cultural refference point in which to make it anything other than bigotry masquerading as informed comment...


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You've ducked the question: why aren't the palestinian christians, equally oppressed, engaging in terrorism?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

let's see this scale of 'free' please where does the uk, italy, france and predominately the usa come on this scale of 'free' meaningless statistic from a far right wing group based on an intangable scale....

this isn't truely a question again it's a bigoted statement pretending to be an inquizitive comment...

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Whatever your definition of 'free', a country run either by a royal family or other hereditary ruler, or the army, and where women are usually nothing above chattels, won't make the grade.

 

[butchersapron]

You've ducked the question: why aren't the palestinian christians, equally oppressed, engaging in terrorism?

Do read the links provided old man:

A: Robert Pape in his book, “Dying to Win — The Strategic Logic of Suicide Terrorism,” shows that between 1982 and 1986, 71 percent of the Lebanese suicide attackers were Christians and 21 percent Communists/Socialists. Pape states, “Of the 384 attackers for whom we have data, 166 or 43 percent were religious, while 218 or 57 percent were secular. Suicide terrorism is not overwhelmingly a religious phenomenon.” It is a response to occupation.

Inquiring minds might also consider the suicide bombings carried out by non-Muslim groups such as the Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka, the religious orientation of the abortion clinic bomber or the depredations of Serbian forces during the Bosnian conflict.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

why are far more attrocities commitied in the name of free market capitalism, in fact in the face of free market captialism why aren't there far more atrocities committed and threatened by Muslims in the name of Islam??

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A meaningless, 'well, you're worse', response.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

sheer unintelligent preaching to the dumb choir bollocks this articule from start to finish....

....because there isn't one iota of truth behind any of his questions, right?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

What absolute batshit.

I started to write a sensible response to this but I can't see the point, on reflection, and am going to watch TV instead

You're a journalist, aren't you?

I wonder how far your career would be advancing if you'd been born female in Saudi Arabia or Sudan?

 

[Bajie]

Intrestingly before the state of Israel came into being christian Palestinian's formed 10% of the Palestinian population, and now they only form 1.6%.. suggesting they have taken the option to emigrate rather than to fight back as a group. Though I think there are probably Christian Palestinian's who have been involved in "terrorism" - but there is not many of them in the general population to start with..

 

[butchersapron]

....because there isn't one iota of truth behind any of his questions, right?

Aren't they wrapped up in bollocks though. Extract the the good and relavent bits - what are they? (and of course ignore the motivation)

 

[butchersapron]

You're a journalist, aren't you?

I wonder how far your career would be advancing if you'd been born female in Saudi Arabia or Sudan?

Yeah, big up the Islamic states. That's exactly what we're after. What BK and every other poster supports.

Your inffectual little rampage is making you look stupid JC. Welcome back to PBs world - i knew it was too good to last.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Try this

Why is there no fatwa against Osama Bin Laden?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

What do you mean? I'd quickly google something about hindus, Gahndi and the empire - you ain't got a clue have you

I'll answer you, if you rephrase that into something intelligible.

 

[butchersapron]

Why is there no fatwa against Osama Bin Laden?

Are you fucking joking? You don't know what a fatwa is do you? There've been many from Saudi against him. You know nothing of what a fatwa is and how it works.

 

[butchersapron]

I'll answer you, if you rephrase that into something intelligible.

Tell you what, you tell me (and all the other posters) what point you think you were making - all intelligible like.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Do read the links provided old man:

A: Robert Pape in his book, “Dying to Win — The Strategic Logic of Suicide Terrorism,” shows that between 1982 and 1986, 71 percent of the Lebanese suicide attackers were Christians and 21 percent Communists/Socialists. Pape states, “Of the 384 attackers for whom we have data, 166 or 43 percent were religious, while 218 or 57 percent were secular. Suicide terrorism is not overwhelmingly a religious phenomenon.” It is a response to occupation.

Inquiring minds might also consider the suicide bombings carried out by non-Muslim groups such as the Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka, the religious orientation of the abortion clinic bomber or the depredations of Serbian forces during the Bosnian conflict.

That was in the middle of the Lebanese civil war, in which the Falangists obviously played a large role.

How about the attacks which prager is talking about: Palestinians vs Israelis?

By throwing in a red herring about christian falangists, the author has given me pause about the credibility of the rest of the things he says.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Yeah, big up the Islamic states. That's exactly what we're after. What BK and every other poster supports.

Your inffectual little rampage is making you look stupid JC. Welcome back to PBs world - i knew it was too good to last.

lol. I've never changed.

It's just that in your world, people apparently are good or bad, black or white.

I know it's hard for you to accept that I think Bush is a lame duck president who fucked up New Orleans, and is fucking up Iraq, but that I also think that there are serious problems with islamic dogmatism and fundamentalism.

As I've said before, the world can't always be divided up into your well-defined letter slots.

 

[Bajie]

I just gave you one reason - most of them have decided to leave. Not that they do not have cause to be just as pissed of as all the rest of the Palestinian's, they have been treated in exactly the same way, for example http://www.cathnews.com/news/404/51.php

 

[butchersapron]

That was in the middle of the Lebanese civil war, in which the Falangists obviously played a large role.

How about the attacks which prager is talking about: Palestinians vs Israelis?

By throwing in a red herring about christian falangists, the author has given me pause about the credibility of the rest of the things he says.

No, it's concerning the material actions behind peoples actions, that it's not not an action restricted to one religion, that it's context dependent and that drawing the conclusion that muslima like to blow themselves up seperated from any concrete conditions is not only trite it's historically incorrect and it makes your acceptance of the idea despite it's clear underming the mark of an arse.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

I just gave you one reason - most of them have decided to leave. Not that they do not have cause to be just as pissed of as all the rest of the Palestinian's, they have been treated in exactly the same way, for example http://www.cathnews.com/news/404/51.php

You mean, instead of hanging around the camps, then blowing themselves up at checkpoints, they opted to emigrate, as so many other millions of people have done throughout the centuries when faced with intolerable conditions?

Jesus, what an idea!

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

No, it's concerning the material actions behind peoples actions, that it's not not an action restricted to one religion, that it's context dependent and that drawing the conclusion that muslima like to blow themselves up seperated from any concrete conditions is not only trite it's historically incorrect and it makes your acceptance of the idea despite it's clear underming the mark of an arse.

How is it possible to type that many words that don't say anything?

 

[butchersapron]

How is it possible to type that many words that don't say anything?

Ok, i'll leave you to your old man hangover tommorow.

 

[Maidmarian]

Dennis Prager has an article online called 'Five questions non-Muslims would like answered' here.

I find it a bit patronising and quite ethnocentric ('people working to make Iraq free' ). It's also quite a typical right wing view of the Muslim issue (if there is one at all). I haven't made my mind up yet on whether i have something positive to say about it too.

What do people think of it? Any valid points in there?

Discuss.

It`s called propaganda. End of.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Ok, i'll leave you to your old man hangover tommorow.

It's 5:17pm here, after midnight there. I suspect it's you who's been drinking.

In fact, your prosody confirms it.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Ok, i'll leave you to your old man hangover tommorow.

Butchersapron: "Well, I can't think of a coherent argument, but.......you're old!"

Dude, you haven't changed.

 

[butchersapron]

It's 5:17pm here, after midnight there. I suspect it's you who's been drinking.

In fact, your prosody confirms it.

Yet, i can still
make the point.
You
However....

 

[Bajie]

You mean, instead of hanging around the camps, then blowing themselves up at checkpoints, they opted to emigrate, as so many other millions of people have done throughout the centuries when faced with intolerable conditions?

Jesus, what an idea!

hello. The christian minority significantly featured in the middle and upper class of palestinian society, in other words Jeffro, they had economic means to leave the country. Where as the average dirt poor Palestinian had no choice but stay in the country or life in the camps - of course there is high emigration amongst all Palestinians, but not to the scale of the Christians as 84% have left the country. This leaving them as a very small part of the overall population.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

hello. The christian minority significantly featured in the middle and upper class of palestinian society, in other words Jeffro, they had economic means to leave the country. Where as the average dirt poor Palestinian had no choice but stay in the country or life in the camps - of course there is high emigration amongst all Palestinians, but not to the scale of the Christians as 84% have left the country. This leaving them as a very small part of the overall population.

What is it with you people? The moment you feel the least bit challenged, you break out the namecalling.

It's the sign of an indisciplined mind, imo.

 

[butchersapron]

Butchersapron: "Well, I can't think of a coherent argument, but.......you're old!"

Dude, you haven't changed.

You've just done a fine series of unthinking rants and you're asking others to cut you some slack? All your points are shit and have been dealt with already. Welcome to Harvesters.