Five Jews Shot in Seattle

[Johnny Canuck3]

jews can be random targets too you anti semetic bastered!!


sorry

Yes, but these ones weren't.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

My condolences to the family of the murdered person, and wishes for full physical recovery to those 5 who were wounded. The whole community must be in dreadful shock at their loved one being snatched from them so cruelly, and so unjustly for events happening beyond their control, in Israel-Lebanon-Gaza and beyond. The murderer chose his victim purely on the basis of their religion - a twisted collective 'punishment' based on a common misconception that every Jew in the world supports Israel's current actions in South Lebanon, or their policy of collective punishment and years of dehumanising treatment of Palestinian Christians and Muslims in 'disputed' Occupied Palestine. How is it that this Pakistan American came to belive that any ordinary Jew in their community has power in the face of the war-machine raging in the Middle East?

Israel's own Chief Rabbi refuses to recognise most of American Reform Judaim's Rabbis, deeming them 'not Jewish enough'!

It's of deep concern to me though, that in the USA, a few people have had trouble differentiating a Jew from an Arab. Since the rise in anti-Arabism in the USA throughout the 70s and 80s, it was found also these inter-ethnic tensions in the Middle East affected American Arabs, regardless of whether they're Jewish (Mizrahi) or Muslim. These racists don't seem to be able to tell the difference between an Iraqi Jew, and an Iraqi Muslim. Or a Lebanese Christian from a Palestinian. The old antisemitic stereotype of the brown-skinned, hook-nosed, untrustworthy, swarhy Middle Easterner which was applied to Jews, is now applied to Arabs. US is by far the worst - far worse than Europe, although at least 5,000 white nationalist Australians are very strongly anti-Lebanese - as we saw in 2005. Around the world, vicious stereotypes which once plagued Jews, now plague any 'a bit Arab looking'. America is among the worst.

Across the 'Western world', but especially in US and UK, violent and murderous attacks against both Jews and Muslims have increased and are 3-fold (Jews) to 10-fold(Muslims) higher than before 9/11, 3/11, 7/7.

Sure, he could have been a murderous anti-American Pakistani, crazed at US foreign policy regarding Pakistan's puppet-President Musharef, or at the US-India Nuclear Deal. There's a lot of sectarian violence and tension in Pakistan, and I've scant knowledge about the roots and causes, although I do know that USA is facilitating nuclear war technology to India, and India and Pakistan fight still over Kashmir. I know that in Pakistan there are inter-tribal tensions as well as religious-sectarian tensions. I know that both states are not particularly rich, and spend far too much of their taxpayers money in this induced 'race' to acquire Nuclear Weapons. I know that the US-India Nuclear Deal undermines the Nuclear Proliferation Treaty(NPT), and that in March of this 2006, USA introduced a new law to exempt India from sections of the Atomic Energy Act that restrict trade with countries that have not signed the Non-Proliferation Treaty, India is one of the countries who have NOT signed the treaty, and conducted its first nuclear test in 1974. Because it had not signed the NPT, it was not eligible for U.S. civilian nuclear technology. The exemption lifts these restrictions.

Is it possible that US foreign policy regarding Pakistan-India is at the root cause of this vicious slaying?

Maybe, but if you're playing the conjecture game, why did he shoot only jews?

 

[Luther Blissett]

No. I'm not still playing the conjecture game. (see post 27 of this thread).

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

No. I'm not still playing the conjecture game. (see post 27 of this thread).

Well, your article says this:

"Staff members have said the suspect opened fire after shouting: "I'm a Muslim American; I'm angry at Israel." ,

but you ask if maybe he's actually anrgry about India/jPakistan. Surely that question, flying in the face of the gunman's own words, constitutes conjecture of the purest sort.

 

[TAE]

I guess people have trouble separating Israel from judaism.

It wasn't a random jewish target:

BBC NEWS
The Jewish Federation was one of the sponsors of a rally this week in support of Israeli attacks against Hezbollah in Lebanon.

Even so, while these killings are very sad, I fear they are just the beginng. People are so angry about Israel's attitude.

 

[jcsd]

Yes it wasn't a random Jeiwsh target it was an organistaion which had coem out strongly and pro-actively in support of Israel's attack on Lebanon.

 

[TAE]

On the other hand, the people who were shot were random people, I mean he didn't ask what each person's private political views were. And even if he had, I really don't agree with shooting everyone who supports the Israeli war crimes.

 

[Fruitloop]

Someone stabbed five kids at random at my Jewish primary school while I was there, it was an 'anti-semitic' thing to an extent, but also just a 'fucking nutcase' thing as well I reckon. I would most likely have been next in line, so I guess I'm lucky that my country isn't quite as armed-to-the-teeth as the Yanks.

It's weird that they didn't have any security - the synagogues Ive been to in London have had bag searches at the entrance for ages.

 

[warren]

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...ME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2006-07-28-20-03-32

Apparently it was a Pakistani man.

And it looks like the victims were common, garden variety american jews, and not Israelis.

I guess people have trouble separating Israel from judaism.

People who have difficulty seperating Judaism from Zionism are idiots. Most Hassids and Heraidim are not Zionists. Some ultra-Zionist like people at Little Green Footballs also have difficulty separating Jews & Zionism as they consider any comment critical of Israel to be anti-semitic.

 

[DexterTCN]

So people who don't have an in-depth knowledge of archaic isms are idiots?

You need to be educated to shoot someone?

 

[warren]

So people who don't have an in-depth knowledge of archaic isms are idiots?

You need to be educated to shoot someone?

Is that addressed at me?

 

[DexterTCN]

To you, yes.

 

[warren]

Yes it wasn't a random Jeiwsh target it was an organistaion which had coem out strongly and pro-actively in support of Israel's attack on Lebanon.

But that doesnt justify it whatsoever.

Any more than a Jewish or Christian Zionist shooting up the SWP or getting a hit put out on George Galloway for supporting Hizb'Allah.

So people who don't have an in-depth knowledge of archaic isms are idiots?

You need to be educated to shoot someone?

Allright Ill retract idiot an put mis-informed and in some cases bigotted.

But for anyone who doesnt know. Zionism is a heresy in Judaism.

Ironically the biblical source of one of the Rabbis discussing this subject (over 1500 years ago) says:

'that those (Jews) who rule over (Israel) will be hunted down like hinds.'

Or words to that affect.

 

[TAE]

No it does not justify it.

But what it does do is to show that he did not simply equate jews=israel.

 

[warren]

No it does not justify it.

But what it does do is to show that he did not simply equate jews=israel.

Well yes he did, because he went and shot 5 women who worked for the organisation and may or may not have agreed with its political views.

 

[TAE]

He equated "all attached to the organisation" with "the organisation", he did not equate "all jews" with "israel".

Although there is of course also the possibility that he WAS just going after a jewish target and by chance attacked one which happened to also be strong supporters of the current IDF activity.

 

[jcsd]

But that doesnt justify it whatsoever.

Yes it doesn't, the man himself though is clearly menatlly ill.

 

[fishfingerer]

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...ME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2006-07-28-20-03-32

Apparently it was a Pakistani man.

Where does it say the nutter was Pakistani.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

It wasn't a random jewish target:



Even so, while these killings are very sad, I fear they are just the beginng. People are so angry about Israel's attitude.

Yes, and so will continue a domino effect.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Yes it wasn't a random Jeiwsh target it was an organistaion which had coem out strongly and pro-actively in support of Israel's attack on Lebanon.

This makes them legitimate targets, or somehow deserving of being shot?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Where does it say the nutter was Pakistani.

On various news sources.

 

[detective-boy]

Apparently it was a Pakistani man.

"Staff members have said the suspect opened fire after shouting: "I'm a Muslim American...."

Make your fucking mind up.

 

[JHE]

Oh, come on. Do you really think there are no Pakistanis with US citizenship?

 

[FruitandNut]

How about - "I'm a Muslim American with Pakistani origins"?
No wonder he is so messed up!

Shades of:
'I was the strangest mix up the world had ever seen, my father he wore Orange and my mother she wore Green.'

 

[JHE]

No wonder he is so messed up!

Not as messed up as the poor buggers he's shot.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Make your fucking mind up.

Officer, you're breaking your self imposed rule about us not discussing things.

An authority figure who has problems with authority, even his own.

 

[nino_savatte]

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...ME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2006-07-28-20-03-32

Apparently it was a Pakistani man.

And it looks like the victims were common, garden variety american jews, and not Israelis.

I guess people have trouble separating Israel from judaism.

As I read this post, 2 things struck me: the fact that the alleged killer was Pakistani (I suppose we should be grateful that it wasn't an Arab - eh, Johnny?). But that doesn't matter so much as the fact that the alleged murderer was Muslim and given your pathological hatred of anything Islamic, this is not surprising.

The second is that for someone who constantly conflates world Jewry with the state of Israel, you have done a remarkable backflip.

The point in starting this thread is to use it as a means of belittling others and to score cheap points.

Gun related murders are commonplace in the US, yet you have elevated this one to a status that it doesn't deserve. Would you be so quick to post an article that described the killing of a Hispanic by a Minuteman? No, of course you wouldn't.

 

[kyser_soze]

For all we know this could simply be the actions of someone who's read too many tracts about the Illuminati/International Jewish Conspiracy and has access to firearms. Merky is FULL of fruitloops who hated the Jews a LONG time before the current business...

 

[Streathamite]

I guess people have trouble separating Israel from judaism.

well, yeah, you do, all the bleeding time as it happens.

 

[nino_savatte]

For all we know this could simply be the actions of someone who's read too many tracts about the Illuminati/International Jewish Conspiracy and has access to firearms. Merky is FULL of fruitloops who hated the Jews a LONG time before the current business...

Exactly, the current trend of Americans embracing their Jewish fellow citizens is a relatively recent phenomenon. Before 1980, most Jews were regarded rather differently and were often blamed for the "International Communist Conspiracy". It would seem many in the US have forgotten about the Rosenbergs and how their trial was an occasion to vent one's anti-Jewish spleen.