First pro club in years to be wound up?

[upsidedownwalrus]

My friend's granddad was Pat O'Connell, who played for Man United and Dumbarton, and managed Barcelona.

Mind you, that friend supports West Ham. But he is from Plaistow.

 

[Bakunin]

There's a better one here...

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/WHpuddefoot.htm

You'll notice the link says "WHpuddefoot".

Welcome to the gang! I've got a bit of a thing about Syd, it must be said. I think it's mainly because one of my mates supports Palace and so he saw his picture every time he came to see me - which always made me laugh. It really annoyed him as well. Football gloating 70 years later. Result.

Thanks for that, I'd looked online before for information about him and hadn't found very much about him before now. I knew he was a decent player, but I didn't know just how good until today.

 

[kained&able]

jesus tommers, how old are you?

dave(cant belive he is the youngest west ham fan on here at 27!)

 

[isitme]

eric cantona was blatantly spawned from the same top shagger who shagged my lost granna in ww2

 

[upsidedownwalrus]

I think you were spawned from a general shagger in Newcastle, I'm afraid, isitme - the Indian guy in the cornershop looks a bit like you too.

 

[upsidedownwalrus]

jesus tommers, how old are you?

dave(cant belive he is the youngest west ham fan on here at 27!)

Yeah - I think my granddad was born in the 20s.

 

[bluestreak]

Another vote for YEAH BAKUNIN

 

[isitme]

I think you were spawned from a general shagger in Newcastle, I'm afraid, isitme - the Indian guy in the cornershop looks a bit like you too.

nah, i'm pretty sure that my dad is my dad, but his dad is a mystery. he reckons he was a polish airforce pilot, and he may well have been, he was definetely some sort of mythical creature

how did we get onto this again?

 

[upsidedownwalrus]

Another vote for YEAH BAKUNIN

 

[upsidedownwalrus]

nah, i'm pretty sure that my dad is my dad, but his dad is a mystery. he reckons he was a polish airforce pilot, and he may well have been, he was definetely some sort of mythical creature

how did we get onto this again?

Only on Urban would threads take such amusing diversions...

 

[Divisive Cotton]

Some folk may be wondering why I, being from Plymouth, would end up as a Blackburn Rovers fan. Well, my great uncle, a man named Sidney Puddifoot

He died ten years ago this year and, although I never got to meet him, I did admire him for his talent and the the fact that he wasn't a dirty player or a compulsive diver when he played the game. RIP great uncle Sid.

He died in 1972

 

[Divisive Cotton]

Ten years after leaving his boyhood club, Syd returned to East London to help with the ultimately doomed effort to avoid relegation in the 1931-32 season. After two years at West Ham, he left to coach Turkish club Fenerbahçe.

The following year, he moved to Galatasaray, but left after an incident in which he was manhandled while trying to calm down players during a game. He moved back to England in March 1937 and coached Northampton Town until the outbreak of World War II.

Turkish 1930s football - I bet that was an experience

 

[Bakunin]

He died in 1972

Yes, I was told that he died in 1989, but as I'd never seen any articles or online stuff about him I stand corrected.

Truth be told, I never really knew much about him, beyond that he was a footballer and a few details I found when I was at school (mainly the clubs he played at) reading the online articles posted previously has corrected a few things I was wrong about, and told me a lot more than I previously knew.

 

[DexterTCN]

The 19-year-old Syd Puddefoot arrived and he found the net on 13 occasions in his first 11 games... He proved he could find the net when opposed by a quality defence, scoring in both games of a replayed cup-tie against Liverpool.

Awesome.

Chuffed for you, Bak.

 

[david dissadent]

umm no. The state of premiership clubs is actually very good at the moment.

Unemployment rising. Massive public sector job cuts are inevitable at some point, gaping holes in the public finance will have to be filled with increased taxes and the pound will go weaker.... oh yes and the cost of government borrowing is going up.

TV companies rely on UK people having having spare cash to buy sky.
Advertisers rely on people buying products.
Clubs rely on people having disposible income to spend on football.
The clubs in debt will have to 'roll over' much of there short term debt and hope someone is lending a reasonable rates.
As the pound weakens it will take more pounds to keep up with Euro wages.


Football is a luxuary item not everyone will be enjoying in the coming years.

 

[BlueSquareThing]

I didn't want Cardiff to get promoted last season, and I don't want them to get into the Premiership this season either - which makes for some conflicting emotions because I naturally always want to see them win.

The higher up we've gone, the less I've liked watching them.

I hated wtacing Norwich in the prem (even on the odd occasion when they won).

Bizarre to be looking forward to going to Griffen Park really

 

[BlueSquareThing]

i think this is going to happen more and more, it's just the way football is going

i reckon that in the future there will only be a handful of clubs as we know them now with big salaries and everyone on TV etc and people will start going to local games instead

the english league is famous all over the world, so the big money thing isn't going to stop, but it's only really helps the very top clubs. it's not exactly unimaginable that newcastle folds in a few years time, but that won't mean everyone in newcastle will turn into man utd fans....

It *might* help wake people up to the divisiveness of it all if a relatively big club goes totally tits up.

I suppose that's prolly wishful thinking though isn't it?

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

fail to see why they should get footballing penalties for indebtedness anyway really. Most of the income for the club comes as a result of success in the leagues with some bonuses from cups. Starting with a points penalty is the equivalent of forcing shipping companies to travel at a slower rate than their competitors, thus making them uncompetitive. Reducing the years potential earnings, just what a club with financial issues needs.

You can't really separate the two IMO. The clubs in trouble have tended to get there through overspending on players - they aren't hard done by innocent victims in most cases.

 

[tommers]

jesus tommers, how old are you?

dave(cant belive he is the youngest west ham fan on here at 27!)

I'm 36 dave.

Puddefoot is a legend. Up there with Vic Watson.

 

[tommers]

As the authors of the The Essential History of West Ham United (2000) pointed out that his departure "nearly caused a riot among Hammers fans". However, the club blamed Puddefoot in a statement issued after his transfer: "The departure of Syd Puddefoot came as no surprise to those intimately connected with him. It is an old saying that everyone has one chance in life to improve themselves and Syd Puddefoot is doing the right thing for himself in studying his future. We understand that he will be branching out in commercial circles in Falkirk and when his football days are over he will be assured of a nice little competency."

The truth of the matter was that Puddefoot was very reluctant to move to Scotland to play for Falkirk. However, at this time footballers had little control over these matters. At the time of his departure, it looked like West Ham United would win promotion to the First Division. However, without their top goalscorer, the club lost five of their last seven games and finished in 4th place.

Some things never change.

 

[kained&able]

Unemployment rising. Massive public sector job cuts are inevitable at some point, gaping holes in the public finance will have to be filled with increased taxes and the pound will go weaker.... oh yes and the cost of government borrowing is going up.

TV companies rely on UK people having having spare cash to buy sky.
Advertisers rely on people buying products.
Clubs rely on people having disposible income to spend on football.
The clubs in debt will have to 'roll over' much of there short term debt and hope someone is lending a reasonable rates.
As the pound weakens it will take more pounds to keep up with Euro wages.


Football is a luxuary item not everyone will be enjoying in the coming years.

surely all of that is the economy as a whole is fucked rather then anything football related and the fact that revenue in the epl went up by 28% last year, despite the economic down term to me suggests that football is likely to do a lot better then most industries.

I really doubt sky will take much a hit either. Be one of the last things people cancel as they won't be going to the cinema or eating out as much and will still require entertaining. I'm sure advertsiing revenue will be down, but not enough to jepodise thier current contracts and i think sky are signed up for at least the next two seasons, with even more matches being shown in 2010/11 season.

The state of the epl is a lot better then the state of most other industries and unless sky collapse(which isnt going to happen) then i dont see football having to under go any massive changes.

dave

 

[tommers]

I don't know dave. If clubs outside the top 4 can take away that revenue from them then I can see things being seriously shaken up.

People are borrowing money to spend, based on expected future success.... that's what Leeds did and how the housing market worked - and look what happened there.

 

[kained&able]

but thats kinda my point, clubs aren't doing that anymore.

11 of last seasons premiership teams turned a profit last season.

4 of those who didn't are the big 4, all of whom reckon they have decent bsuiness models(i dont belive man united do!) or a sugar daddy. Another will be man city who have a bottomless money pit, which leaves 4 clubs that need to sort themselves out a bit more for whatever reasons.

One of which will undoubtedly have been newcastle, who need laughing at a lot and are generally seen as incompetent!

Its all moving in the right direction, from I can work out and I really don't see top flight football suffering much without the entire economy being fucked over even more.


dave

 

[isitme]

newcastle were turning a profit up until the last couple of years

the premier league still has a lot of growing to do. i can imagine attendances going down, but it is one of the most watched series in the world and it's still growing really fast in the far east and america

 

[isitme]

It *might* help wake people up to the divisiveness of it all if a relatively big club goes totally tits up.

I suppose that's prolly wishful thinking though isn't it?

when leeds went tits up i laughed cos they had employed such a bunch of cunts to play for them and at the end of the day only had themselves to blame as far as i saw it. it will be exactly the same if toon folded....

 

[strung out]

i find all this 'oh well the top flight is in good shape and will be fine' terribly depressing.

 

[Epico]

I agree. If people take this attitude then Southampton will be the first of many.

 

[upsidedownwalrus]

Dave in our position it's silly to be overconfident.

 

[ericjarvis]

I agree. If people take this attitude then Southampton will be the first of many.

As a supporter of a club that has been doing things the right way for decades whilst surrounded by local rivals going bust, I say bring it on. The clubs that don't spend what they can't afford will succeed at the expense of the boom and bust clubs. I see no problem with that whatsoever. I'm heartily sick of losing games to clubs that can't really afford the wages of their star players but hope they can get bailed out by somebody else if they fail to buy success.

 

[isitme]

i find all this 'oh well the top flight is in good shape and will be fine' terribly depressing.

it is tho

the actual top flight is only about 5 or 6 clubs, but they are doing great and making a lot of people a lot of money