First deliveries of the F35 for the RAF- weather permitting

Discussion in 'transport' started by T & P, Jun 6, 2018.

  1. T & P

    T & P |-o-| (-o-) |-o-|

    Deliveries to the RAF of the fighter everyone loves to hate are about to to begin. Much mockery in the press today about the first deliveries being delayed by bad weather, which of course in a ferry flight means nothing much.

    But the a/c's actual capabilities and value for money seem to still be hotly debated in military aviation circles and fora. Some also claim that it is not that well suited for the RAF's needs. I was wondering what the pilots/ aviation boffins of Urban think of the plane?
  2. 2hats


    They’ve already arrived. This evening. Four came over via the Azores with tanker support.
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  3. dylanredefined

    dylanredefined Not a house elf a tiger

    Well crab air hate it as it can fly off the carrier and they would do anything to sink the fleet air arm forever. If it works as advertised the royal navy is pretty much capable of turning up anywhere and fucking shit up ( Or whatever the latest term is for it)
  4. planetgeli

    planetgeli There's no future in England's dreaming

    Just out of interest, why does that map show them landing somewhere in, presumably, Oxfordshire, when they’ve gone to Norfolk? And didn’t they start from South Carolina, not Canada? And where is that map from?
  5. 2hats


    Because it doesn’t show the F35’s landing anywhere. It illustrates the route the tanker support took, which shadows a large portion of the F35 ferry flight. The Voyager tankers are based at Brize in Oxfordshire.
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  6. Ax^

    Ax^ Silly Rabbit

    well its nice the uk now has 4 planes for its aircraft carrier..
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  7. TheHoodedClaw

    TheHoodedClaw acknowledging ur soup leg

    The accompanying tankers had their ADS-B on - basically announcing to the world who they are, at what height they are flying etc. That's where the map comes from - sites such a Flightradar24 track planes broadcasting like that.The F35 planes stayed silent. One of the 3 accompanying tankers took off with the F35s from South Carolina and did the first refuelling, and once the two tankers from Gander arrived on the scene out in the Atlantic , it headed back west.
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  8. TheHoodedClaw

    TheHoodedClaw acknowledging ur soup leg

    There's currently another dozen-ish still in the US for pilot training. HMS Queen Elizabeth is due to head to the the US later this year for flight trials, iirc.
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  9. Ax^

    Ax^ Silly Rabbit

    i am aware..

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  10. UnderAnOpenSky

    UnderAnOpenSky baseline neural therapy

    They look cool as fuck, but can't help wondering what the point is.
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  11. 2hats


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  12. TheHoodedClaw

    TheHoodedClaw acknowledging ur soup leg

    In theory replacing the capabilities of the soon-to-be EOL Tornado for the RAF, and give the FAA a fast jet to fly off the carriers. How successful the platform will be at all of this - who knows?
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  13. DownwardDog

    DownwardDog Riding a Brompton with a power meter.

    The CO of Joint Force Lightning is, and always will be, an RAF officer with the 2IC being RN so the number of qualified pilots that get generated for carrier ops will approximately the same as it was for Joint Force Lightning: a random number between zero and two.

    The F-35 is a great platform which is a massive step beyond anything the UK has ever had before. If we were serious about generating genuine military capability (which we are not) we would have done a split buy of F-35B under the exclusive control of the FAA/RN and F-35A (with the Canada mods) for the RAF.
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  14. Poi E

    Poi E Pessimism: a valuable protection against quackery.

    For more British wars of aggression.

    Meantime, see how fucking useless our navy is at defending the shores of Britain by thinking of getting rid of all three amphibious craft and no plans for replacing with littoral combat ships (the US has some crap ones going cheap at the moment so maybe the UK could buy them...)
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  15. OzT

    OzT Online early mornings when at work ....

    Trouble is, according to Wiki anyway, they only have 220 rounds of cannon fire, which will probably be gone in 4 seconds.

    But other missles / bombs are carried externally thus increasing its radar profile, so losing its stealth advantages.

    Shoudl've spent less on stealth and get a better armed plane I reckon.
  16. kebabking

    kebabking Unfettered ambition


    Currently the internal load is 4x AMRAAM or 2x Paveway IV and 2x AMRAAM, by about 2023 it'll be a pair of Meteor and half a dozen SPEAR CAP 3 and a Paveway - or 6x Meteor...

    I'm not even sure we're going to buy the gun - it's far less useful for ground attacks than any of the current or projected munitions, and being an external pod it creates drag - and no one is going to choose going for a gun engagement rather than a missile engagement.
  17. OzT

    OzT Online early mornings when at work ....

    Just getting it from Wiki where the cannons are inboard, but other weapons carried on pods, which wil lessen the stealth.

    Agree cannon fire's a bit old hat nowadays. I think Korean war was last time fighters downed each other with non missle fire
  18. DownwardDog

    DownwardDog Riding a Brompton with a power meter.

    There was an Su-27 vs MiG-29 gun kill during the Ethiopia - Eritrea war in 1999. An Israeli AH-64 did an Iranian UAS with cannon fire last year if we're counting RW.

    The F-35 can carry a range of weapons internally without compromising its LO features.
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  19. mauvais

    mauvais change has become unavoidable

    They added a gun to Typhoon after trying to get away without one - plenty to read about as to the reasoning behind that.
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  20. 2hats


    Assuredly they didn’t spend too much of the stealth budget when it comes to V/STOL or hovering…
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  21. A380

    A380 How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?

    One carrier. Four aircraft that can fly off it, still not going to be operational for at least another year and a half.

    It’s just good job we don’t live on an island with most of our food, fuel and manufactured goods coming by sea.
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  22. Teaboy

    Teaboy It definitely looks brighter over there..

    The Spanish Navy isn't massing off A Coruna again is it? Are our gallant Merchant Navy under threat of German u-boat again?
  23. Combustible

    Combustible Well-Known Member

    Isn't she a bit old to be up there flying planes?
  24. A380

    A380 How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?

    Have you not seen the trailer for Top Gun 2?

    “ One was inverted”.
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  25. Poi E

    Poi E Pessimism: a valuable protection against quackery.

    Oh for goodness sake. It's the FRENCH!
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  26. OzT

    OzT Online early mornings when at work ....

    Whatever happened to the Vikings then??? :)
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  27. Poi E

    Poi E Pessimism: a valuable protection against quackery.

    Miscegenation with Saxons and what not. Their downfall. :(
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  28. dylanredefined

    dylanredefined Not a house elf a tiger

    Turns out moving your monastery a few miles inland and them getting a good shoeing at stamford bridge put the kibosh on the whole Viking raid thing.
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  29. felixthecat

    felixthecat are we there yet?

    Are they playing with these today? We've had 2 pairs of jets go overhead In the last 10 minutes. I'm on a military camp on the edge of Salisbury Plain so it could be anything tbf
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  30. kebabking

    kebabking Unfettered ambition

    doubt it - they'll be going over the jets with a fine toothcomb to check for any issues from the ferry flight and to get the maintainers used to them - added to which the pilots will need about a weeks sleep and very long shower given the lack of toileting arrangements on an F-35!

    it'll be a while till they're a common sight over the UK, its a new aircraft with some very different and massively more complex systems than we've operated before - baby steps.
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