Firing someone
- Thread starter 8den
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8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
Maybe if we trawl 8edens posts we can work out his employer and let the lass know?
Yeah, that won't work...
baldrick
hmmmmm
I really don't see that this justifies you sacking her.
what have you said about her timekeeping? have you explained that it's an issue and asked why she's late?
Maurice Picarda
Actually, might as well flounce.
Ignoring the twattish Spartists, 8den, can you answer the owl and me? We're worried that you're going to be hauled in front of a tribunal, or at least curious about what industry has this level of exemption from employment law.
Because the Employment Forum should only be a place where the Workers ask questions on how to smash the Employers.
you think i was abusive?good lord, you're a sensitive little flower, aren't you
Not you specifically, but it certainly makes the idea of U75 as a open-minded and helpful place laughable...
Kanda
Diving wanker
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
Are you trying to dictate what people can or can't post???
I'm saying the bosses aren't the ones short of sympatheic ears and orgs they can go squeeling too. The rest of us have only a few rersources. Bad enough the bosses have infested most of our unions now as it is.
Bob_the_lost
Elsewhere
Really!? Which voluntary group is there for people shell shocked by firing people?
Try your best to help her become useful, once you've tried all you can then fire her. Balance between making your life easy for someone beyond your help and not being a cunt.
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
Most messy, stinky brown stuff that comes out of an arse is shit. That's a generalisation, too.
kabbes
First intersubjective, then internalised
Speaking as a manager, I thought Wookey's post was very good, actually. Sacking someone should always feel like a total failure on the part of you, as their manager. Very few people are such feckless, useless idiots that there can be no place for them in a role for which they are qualified. Sacking is a very blunt and bludgeoning tool.
OTOH, there can sometimes be occasions where somebody is actually destroying the morale and enjoyment of everybody else around them and is clearly miserable in their role. You have tried every management approach in the book -- giving them training, flexibility, what they say they want, what they actually seem to want and so on. In such circumstances, it can be in everybody's interests -- including their own -- that they go elsewhere. Hopefully, this can be done in a way that they are making a positive move elsewhere from a position of strength, rather than by being sacked. But I can see that this may, in very rare cases, not be the case.
But heed this -- I've been able to go through about five years in management now, being given every so-called "problem case" in two different companies. Most of them were being talked about for sacking when they were transferred to me. I've not failed yet in helping them turn it round. Some of them got their confidence back, realised the job wasn't for them and then I helped them get a better role in another company. Some of them I helped to forge relationships internally and they suddenly started to make progress. Some of them just managed to settle into a comfortable and productive position -- not everybody has to be a superstar, you know.
Generally, their so-called "problems" turned out actually to be based on nothing more than other peoples' petty jealousies or meaningless clock-watching or possibly on a lack of confidence that had been created by being treated like shit.
8den, I suggest you look an awful lot more closely at yourself, your relationship with your team and what this woman actually may be having an issue with before you talk so glibly of sacking her. I'd say that you are a long, long, long way off the route you seem to want to go down. You are a manager, not a dictator. She has a right to live her life in the way she sees fit. If she is doing the job, it should be no business of yours if she happens to correspond exactly to the precise hours your think she should be there or a manner of speaking you dictate to her. These things are important, sure, but only for her own personal chance to improve her status on the company. They aren't important in any absolute sense.
Take a step back from the game and ask yourself what is really important. Focus on that and forget the extraneous shit. You have a chance to be a good manager, which is a rare and prize-worthy goal. Believe me -- if you take that chance then you it really will pay you dividends in the long run.
OTOH, there can sometimes be occasions where somebody is actually destroying the morale and enjoyment of everybody else around them and is clearly miserable in their role. You have tried every management approach in the book -- giving them training, flexibility, what they say they want, what they actually seem to want and so on. In such circumstances, it can be in everybody's interests -- including their own -- that they go elsewhere. Hopefully, this can be done in a way that they are making a positive move elsewhere from a position of strength, rather than by being sacked. But I can see that this may, in very rare cases, not be the case.
But heed this -- I've been able to go through about five years in management now, being given every so-called "problem case" in two different companies. Most of them were being talked about for sacking when they were transferred to me. I've not failed yet in helping them turn it round. Some of them got their confidence back, realised the job wasn't for them and then I helped them get a better role in another company. Some of them I helped to forge relationships internally and they suddenly started to make progress. Some of them just managed to settle into a comfortable and productive position -- not everybody has to be a superstar, you know.
Generally, their so-called "problems" turned out actually to be based on nothing more than other peoples' petty jealousies or meaningless clock-watching or possibly on a lack of confidence that had been created by being treated like shit.
8den, I suggest you look an awful lot more closely at yourself, your relationship with your team and what this woman actually may be having an issue with before you talk so glibly of sacking her. I'd say that you are a long, long, long way off the route you seem to want to go down. You are a manager, not a dictator. She has a right to live her life in the way she sees fit. If she is doing the job, it should be no business of yours if she happens to correspond exactly to the precise hours your think she should be there or a manner of speaking you dictate to her. These things are important, sure, but only for her own personal chance to improve her status on the company. They aren't important in any absolute sense.
Take a step back from the game and ask yourself what is really important. Focus on that and forget the extraneous shit. You have a chance to be a good manager, which is a rare and prize-worthy goal. Believe me -- if you take that chance then you it really will pay you dividends in the long run.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
10/10
(theres something nasty about the bolded bit that I can't quite articulate.....you cunt
baldrick
hmmmmm
I don't see why I should be "open-minded" about someone wanting to sack someone for very little reason.
If he was asking for help about how to manage her, if he had genuinely tried everything to resolve things and this is the only option, then I would have sympathy. But that isn't the case.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
Hang on Bob ... victim support for managers needing to dismiss? I can see your point if they've got to handle large scale redundancies (by way of example) but I'd imagine that normally the recipients of being fired were in greater need of support tbh.
Kanda
Diving wanker
Why not suggest other things, like Kabbes has?
Just ends up another fucking bunfight/posturing thread otherwise
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
They're usually the boss.
kabbes
First intersubjective, then internalised
Helpful.
Kanda
Diving wanker
My g/f is currently involved in a large restructure. She works in HR but her hands are being tied, her ethics gone against and her confidence in the company is shattered. But she is seen as the asshole that's making people redundant, I see her as my g/f that sits at home crying about what is going on, how fucking awful she feels about being so powerless...
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
Why not suggest other things, like Kabbes has?
Just ends up another fucking bunfight/posturing thread otherwise
*waits for Kanda's suggestions*
edit: ooo hang on, you've just posted summat
Obviously he has more information on the situation then we can ever have, any decision that is taken is his, but posting up unsolicited advice one can hopefully make him grow as a person and as a manger.
Posting up abuse won't do that, and might just entrench his opinion.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
True.
Kanda
Diving wanker
*waits for Kanda's suggestions*
edit: ooo hang on, you've just posted summat
Unsure what to suggest, I'm not qualified to do so really. I thought the post was a joke initially!
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
Yes, I've every sympathy for that (which is why I mentioned the large scale redundancies example). Is she looking elsewhere?
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
would resignation, refusal to be complicit with those who have passed the shit-detail to her, really be worse than crying at home?
Bob_the_lost
Elsewhere
They are, i was taking the piss out of poster's bollocks.
sleaterkinney
Well-Known Member
Well you're either an evil boss or a glorious worker, and poster3232423 wonders why no one turns up to his strikes and no one votes for left parties.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
Good for her, I hope she finds something quickly. I know a recruitment agent that specialises in HR placements if that's any use.
Bob_the_lost
Elsewhere
"Compassion is a disease of cats" ?
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